Subdude Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Nov. 10, 2004, 12:42AMANOTHER VERSEProject takes second bite at Galleria housing appleManhattan units did so well, new condos keep themeBy NANCY SARNOFF-------------------This message has been edited to remove copyrighted material.------------------- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Sounds cool, if the presales go anything like the manhattan than construction should start pretty soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGrayGuy Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 I have always thought that the Manhattan project looked out of place architecturally next to the modern stainless steel arches in uptown. I suppose that the new Empire project will create a little "New York" style village in uptown.Is it me or is Houston becoming more like Epcot center will various theme areas/lands. For example, we have New York land in uptown and we have little Big Easy in midtown.Where will they put Tomorrowland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Hizzy! Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 I have always thought that the Manhattan project looked out of place architecturally next to the modern stainless steel arches in uptown. I suppose that the new Empire project will create a little "New York" style village in uptown.Is it me or is Houston becoming more like Epcot center will various theme areas/lands. For example, we have New York land in uptown and we have little Big Easy in midtown.Where will they put Tomorrowland?<{POST_SNAPBACK}>The East End Warehouse district? Hey... they're already putting the rail lines through there (Harrisburg and Southeast). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 I have always thought that the Manhattan project looked out of place architecturally next to the modern stainless steel arches in uptown. I suppose that the new Empire project will create a little "New York" style village in uptown.Is it me or is Houston becoming more like Epcot center will various theme areas/lands. For example, we have New York land in uptown and we have little Big Easy in midtown.Where will they put Tomorrowland?<{POST_SNAPBACK}>In hell I hope.They neeed to put this in downtown or midtown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 The East End Warehouse district? Hey... they're already putting the rail lines through there (Harrisburg and Southeast).<{POST_SNAPBACK}>the rail lines for the light rail extensions? Hmm, if so cool. But I'm surprised there's nothing on the news about it, unless of course I missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 I have always thought that the Manhattan project looked out of place architecturally next to the modern stainless steel arches in uptown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmancuso Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 as long as they don't mess with the duck pond... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
111486 Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 as long as they don't mess with the duck pond...<{POST_SNAPBACK}>More than likely they probably will. Do you see the location of the lofts? West of the Manhattan lofts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmancuso Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 More than likely they probably will. Do you see the location of the lofts? West of the Manhattan lofts.no, the duck pond is 'below' the lofts in that map; right about where the word 'richmond' is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbaNerd Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 A few years ago, there was a story on CH 11 that the waterwall might be torn down for a high rise. I hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
111486 Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 A few years ago, there was a story on CH 11 that the waterwall might be torn down for a high rise. I hope not.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Oh my goodness. I don't really care for the duck pond, but the water wall. That would be horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The New Juniper Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Oh my goodness. I don't really care for the duck pond, but the water wall. That would be horrible.The duck pond is protected by a restrictive lease back to the City for the next 24 years. It won't be going anywhere....at least until the lease expires. The WaterWall will also remain as it has become as much of a landmark as the building which it accompanies.Master Developer/Promoter Randall Davis has done it again. You guys should see the model they have of the building. It is going to be beautiful!I have heard rumblings, however, that someone is looking to develop the empty parcel just Northwest of the Empire. Currently it is owned by Simon....All in all, I think the project is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
111486 Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 I hear that they are trying to make downtown more upbeat with more midrises taking over the parking lots. It is all part of the Framwork 2025 Plan. If they want to get things done more quickly, why didn't they put this development and other developments like this going around town in the CBD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted November 15, 2004 Author Share Posted November 15, 2004 Because Framework 2025 and similar plans have no legal authority. They're just suggestions.In the old database there was a rendering of this project called Manhattan II. It had the same L-shape as the current plan, but it seems the design was a nicer than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The New Juniper Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 The Manhattan II and Empire are the same building. Empire is just an evolution by Ziegler Cooper.I do not believe much has changed from initial design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstngoal Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Personally, I think this project is better looking than the Manhattan... Ziegler Cooper's work has a nice, balanced, clean look to it. Maybe I'm being an optimist (that's not bad here, is it?), but I think this will be the nicest project in the Randall Davis kingdom... and much, much better than condo projects like the Mark and the Mercer - which are right around the corner from this development Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariat Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Does anyone have info on a new upscale condo project planned between theWater wall and Nordstrom's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mariat Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 What's worse are those "loft/apartments" facing the NW corner of the US59/I610 interchange. At least the Manhattan & Empire (tenatively) are brick & not stucco or hardyplank Glen <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah. Those are the Broadstone Lofts. Were planning to convert into condos but the plans fell through. They are not leasing very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gwilson Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 does anyone have any idea how much it costs to build a project like these when all is said and done? We are wanting to get into the mid-rise market, but have no real knowledge of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The New Juniper Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 does anyone have any idea how much it costs to build a project like these when all is said and done? We are wanting to get into the mid-rise market, but have no real knowledge of it.Without land, it will cost @ $175/ft... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwilson Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Without land, it will cost @ $175/ft...<{POST_SNAPBACK}>That is about what we are building at now, but it isnt compounded by how many floors.So is that to say that a decently sized mid-rise would cost, land excluded:15 floors14,000 square feet (4 units @ 3500 sqft or some other breakdown)$36,750,000?At a $350 sq/ft retail average (is that far off),that would make (less land and construction and marketing)73,500,000?Now, knowing that land and marketing and construction would need to be removed from that, , it still seems like a sound investment.Any architects here familiar with this type of project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce_oneal Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I have always thought that the Manhattan project looked out of place architecturally next to the modern stainless steel arches in uptown. I suppose that the new Empire project will create a little "New York" style village in uptown.Is it me or is Houston becoming more like Epcot center will various theme areas/lands. For example, we have New York land in uptown and we have little Big Easy in midtown.Where will they put Tomorrowland?<{POST_SNAPBACK}>more like las vegas with a hodgepodge of themes. some places are pretty cool, and some are downright mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxDave Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 A really good architect should start designing buildings that tie all of these elements together - good, bad, and otherwise. Houston was known for great architecture in the 70's and early 80's - it needs to become known for that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce_oneal Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 A really good architect should start designing buildings that tie all of these elements together - good, bad, and otherwise. Houston was known for great architecture in the 70's and early 80's - it needs to become known for that again.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>yeah, i think they are playing it too safe. i really appreciated the republic bank building, etc. that pushed the design limits in downtown. now they are just building these really safe, boring boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TxDave Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 I agree. The current "modern" phase needs to be monitored, however I believe anything new and unique is usually better than some rehash (i.e. copy) of historic/classic styles.The concern about sustainablility (will it last 30 years?) is very valid. What if the "modern" style doesn't hold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Do you guys think the look of the 60's and 70's will ever come back like the older stuff is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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