Dominax Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Can Atlanta be a small city or a big city Atlanta Population 419,122 in city and 5,125,726 in metro NOW METRO 5,249,394 emporis.com Been updated this month but the last metro was just updated in last July Area 341 km² (132 mi²) http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/?id=101302 http://www.atlanta.com/Visit Atlanta Have people been noticing that this metropoliation is growing more rapidly than before. What makes or how did Atlanta become such a large city in size. This city is only ranked to be the top 30's by urban population. This city should have a larger square mileage to gain more people in urban to otta tell how large the city is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Can Atlanta be a small city or a big city Atlanta Population 419,122 in city and 5,125,726 in metro Area 341 km² (132 mi²) http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/?id=101302 http://www.atlanta.com/Visit Atlanta Have people been noticing that this metropoliation is growing more rapidly than before. What makes or how did Atlanta become such a large city in size. This city is only ranked to be the top 30's by urban population. This city should have a larger square mileage to gain more people in urban to otta tell how large the city is. Where did you get that 5,125,726 metro size? That does not match up with the latest Census numbers I've been able to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banking214 Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Where did you get that 5,125,726 metro size? That does not match up with the latest Census numbers I've been able to find.I have seen that somewhere as well. Atlanta area is suppposed to surpass Houston area in 5 years. I guess Atlanta really is "hot 'lanta" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Not according to the Atlanta Business Journal's census estimates. They have it at 3.7 million.http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories...09/daily41.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamtagon Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Not according to the Atlanta Business Journal's census estimates. They have it at 3.7 million.http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories...09/daily41.htmlThe Atlanta Regional Commission only considers 13 counties. The OMB includes 20 counties to define the statistical area for US Census head counters.5.1 million is a generally accepted 2004 population estimate for the 20 county Atlanta MSA.Atlanta area is suppposed to surpass Houston area in 5 years. I guess Atlanta really is "hot 'lanta"While Atlanta is hot, it would take quite a bit longer than five years for Atlanta MSA to tally more residents than Houston MSA. Before the New Orleans evacuation, I think Houston MSA was estimated to have around half a million more residents than Atlanta MSA; 2000-2004 yearly MSA net population increase in Atlanta has been greater than Houston, but only by 20-40,000 (??). Houston may or may not realize larger population growth in the future.Incidentally, the net populatin growth from 2000-2004 in the Dallas MSA (aka DFW) is estimated to have exceed that of Atlanta and Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I read that Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta will all move up a notch on the Metro rankings, but Atlanta won't pass Houston's metro in population. People where also saying that Phoenix will soon (or is now) become the 5th largest city (not metro) in the US. Some people where saying that it could take over Houston as 4th, but I also read that that would not happen. But I also read that within this century Houston could over take Chicago as 3rd. I hope that would not happen as a result of annexing, but as a result of feeling in the inner city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 The Atlanta Regional Commission only considers 13 counties. The OMB includes 20 counties to define the statistical area for US Census head counters.5.1 million is a generally accepted 2004 population estimate for the 20 county Atlanta MSA.While Atlanta is hot, it would take quite a bit longer than five years for Atlanta MSA to tally more residents than Houston MSA. Before the New Orleans evacuation, I think Houston MSA was estimated to have around half a million more residents than Atlanta MSA; 2000-2004 yearly MSA net population increase in Atlanta has been greater than Houston, but only by 20-40,000 (??). Houston may or may not realize larger population growth in the future.Incidentally, the net populatin growth from 2000-2004 in the Dallas MSA (aka DFW) is estimated to have exceed that of Atlanta and Houston.I don't know anything about the "Atlanta Regional Commission" (and something tells me you don't either). But according to the US Census Bureau, the Atlanta Metropolitan Area has 28 counties, not 20. And the Atlanta Combined Statistical Area has at least 33 counties.I have no idea what you mean by "generally accepted 2004 population estimate for the 20 county Atlanta MSA." As mentioned above, there is no such thing as a 20 county Atlanta MSA; the most recent estimate I can find is for 2003 and it shows the Atlanta MSA with 4,610,032. If you were attempting to refer to the Combined Statistical Area, the 2003 estimate is 4,929,880. The estimates have been showing the Atlanta area to be growing just a little over 100,000 per year, so unless their growth rate suddenly doubled, it is unlikely that even the Combined Statistical Area reached 5.1 million in 2004.If, as you state, Atlanta had 5.1 million in 2004, and it was growing faster than Houston by 20-40,000 per year, why would you think it would take quite a bit longer than five years for Atlanta to be larger than Houston? Houston's CSA 2003 estimate was 5,176,061. (and I'm using CSA numbers here because that's the only way to get Atlanta even somewhat close to the 5.1 million number we've been talking about). Even the low end of your Atlanta numbers would surpass Houston in less than five years, if things were as you stated. But of course nothing is as you stated.. As I said above, there is little reason to think that Atlanta suddenly jumped to 5.1 million in 2004. The Atlanta area's average growth since 2000 has exceeded Houston's by only 7,000 per year , not the 20-40,000 per year you stated (and in recent years, estimates show Houston growing faster). So, in spite of all of the incorrect numbers, you seem to have come to the correct conclusion, to-wit: Atlanta will not surpass Houston's population within five years.The one other thing you got right is that the Dallas-Fort Worth is estimated to have grown more than either Houston or Atlanta metro areas (at least in raw numbers, I don't know about growth rates.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I hope that would not happen as a result of annexing, but as a result of feeling in the inner city. I plan on doing some feeling in the inner city tonight! First, a little drinking to get everybody loosened up, and then a little feeling. Just doing my part for Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I plan on doing some feeling in the inner city tonight! First, a little drinking to get everybody loosened up, and then a little feeling. Just doing my part for Houston. Sorry I could not think of another word to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominax Posted December 10, 2005 Author Share Posted December 10, 2005 Thank you for replying your statements on this data! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamtagon Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 I don't know anything about the "Atlanta Regional Commission" (and something tells me you don't either). ...the Atlanta Combined Statistical Area has at least 33 counties.I have no idea what you mean by "generally accepted 2004 population estimate for the 20 county Atlanta MSA." ... the 2003 estimate is 4,929,880... so unless their growth rate suddenly doubled, it is unlikely that even the Combined Statistical Area reached 5.1 million in 2004.But of course nothing is as you stated.. The one other thing you got right is that the Dallas-Fort Worth is estimated to have grown more than either Houston or Atlanta metro areas (at least in raw numbers, I don't know about growth rates.)It sure is true the yearly net population increase comparisons I made between Atlanta and Houston were inaccurate. I should have taken the time to be more precise with my comments and figures; I know how easily discussion forum comments can be wrong or misread. I didnt double check the number of counties Houston19514 said comprise the Atlanta MSA or CSA, I'm trusting him/her with that one.Here are the US Census estimates: "Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL",Combined Statistical Statistical Area4,929,880 - July 1, 2003 - 105,6224,824,258 - July 1, 2002 - 109,9614,714,607 - July 1, 2001 - 130,3734,584,234 - July 1, 2000 "Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX",Combined Statistical Area,5,176,061 - July 1, 2003 - 107,5305,068,531 - July 1, 2002 - 123,1684,945,363 - July 1, 2001 - 104,4444,840,919 - July 1, 2000Dallas-Fort Worth, TX",Combined Statistical Area,5,784,645 - July 1, 2003 - 117,5025,667,143 - July 1, 2002 - 129,8745,537,269 - July 1, 2001 - 155,5855,381,684 - July 1, 2000I'm disappointed that I let my accuracy regarding Houston's population slip. Houston19514, I do know a little about the ARC."...generally accepted 2004 population estimate for the 20 county Atlanta MSA" -- Should have been, "the generally accepted population estimate for Atlanta CSA on December 31, 2004." I'm sticking with it that the Atlanta CSA population was right about 5,100,000 at the end of 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 It sure is true the yearly net population increase comparisons I made between Atlanta and Houston were inaccurate. I should have taken the time to be more precise with my comments and figures; I know how easily discussion forum comments can be wrong or misread. I didnt double check the number of counties Houston19514 said comprise the Atlanta MSA or CSA, I'm trusting him/her with that one.Here are the US Census estimates: "Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL",Combined Statistical Statistical Area4,929,880 - July 1, 2003 - 105,6224,824,258 - July 1, 2002 - 109,9614,714,607 - July 1, 2001 - 130,3734,584,234 - July 1, 2000 "Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX",Combined Statistical Area,5,176,061 - July 1, 2003 - 107,5305,068,531 - July 1, 2002 - 123,1684,945,363 - July 1, 2001 - 104,4444,840,919 - July 1, 2000Dallas-Fort Worth, TX",Combined Statistical Area,5,784,645 - July 1, 2003 - 117,5025,667,143 - July 1, 2002 - 129,8745,537,269 - July 1, 2001 - 155,5855,381,684 - July 1, 2000I'm disappointed that I let my accuracy regarding Houston's population slip. Houston19514, I do know a little about the ARC."...generally accepted 2004 population estimate for the 20 county Atlanta MSA" -- Should have been, "the generally accepted population estimate for Atlanta CSA on December 31, 2004." I'm sticking with it that the Atlanta CSA population was right about 5,100,000 at the end of 2004.Now, we're getting somewhere... ;-) Now that you've let us know you are talking about the END of 2004 (and not July 1, 2004, which would be the effective date for any Census Bureau estimates) it is conceivable that the Atlanta CSA could be 5.1 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 The Atlanta Regional Commission only considers 13 counties. The OMB includes 20 counties to define the statistical area for US Census head counters.5.1 million is a generally accepted 2004 population estimate for the 20 county Atlanta MSA.While Atlanta is hot, it would take quite a bit longer than five years for Atlanta MSA to tally more residents than Houston MSA. Before the New Orleans evacuation, I think Houston MSA was estimated to have around half a million more residents than Atlanta MSA; 2000-2004 yearly MSA net population increase in Atlanta has been greater than Houston, but only by 20-40,000 (??). Houston may or may not realize larger population growth in the future.Incidentally, the net populatin growth from 2000-2004 in the Dallas MSA (aka DFW) is estimated to have exceed that of Atlanta and Houston.Had to throw that Dallas tag in there huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Emporis is pretty accurate when it comes to estimated population figures. But I'm scratching my head about Atlanta... One min. they have it at 4,000,000; and now that you say + 5,000,000, I look, and its right.Houston: 2,012,626 in city and 5,176,061 in metroAtlanta: 419,122 in city and 5,125,726 in metroBut about the future thing, I believe Atlanta won't pass up Houston (or Dallas) in Population, because Texas is one of the fastest growing states in the nation. If Houston's population is suppose to double in 20 years, then Atlanta's growth must be higher. It might be right now, but in the future, I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamtagon Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Had to throw that Dallas tag in there huh.Well, these are three places setting the standard as Sunbelt suburban population centers evolve to include thoroughly urban lifestyle options, so I like to show them side by side. But, maybe with just a little bit of intended heat, the Dallas CSA population was thrown in. Go Spurs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamtagon Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Houston: 2,012,626 in city and 5,176,061 in metroAtlanta: 419,122 in city and 5,125,726 in metroLooks like Emporis has not updated the Houston estimate beyond July 1, 2003. If the Houston CSA growth rate from July 1, 2003 through December 2004 was constant with 2002-2003, there would be more than 5.3 million people in the Houston area, transplants from Lousiana not included.Houston19514, do you know an accurate, recent Houston CSA estimate? ...with and without LA transplants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 July 1, 2004 CSA population estimates:http://www.demographia.com/db-2004metro.htmDallas 5,931,956Houston 5,280,752Atlanta 5,034362Remember, the definition of many of these metros changed in 2002. Houston metro added Austin County. I'm sure Atlanta and Dallas metros added counties also. This caused many metros to "jump" in population, when in fact, they merely included extra counties that were not previously included.2005 Houston estimates will not include LA transplants, but currently, there are estimated to be 150,000 in Houston metro. If that is accurate, Houston would have passed Miami and Detroit in population already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinatra Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 July 1, 2004 CSA population estimates:http://www.demographia.com/db-2004metro.htmDallas 5,931,956Houston 5,280,752Atlanta 5,034362Remember, the definition of many of these metros changed in 2002. Houston metro added Austin County. I'm sure Atlanta and Dallas metros added counties also. This caused many metros to "jump" in population, when in fact, they merely included extra counties that were not previously included.2005 Houston estimates will not include LA transplants, but currently, there are estimated to be 150,000 in Houston metro. If that is accurate, Houston would have passed Miami and Detroit in population already.Atlanta metro area has so many counties so its metro figures are skewed. maybe San Antonio and Austin metro area should merge too. Houston should also add Beaumont and the Lake Charles area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 The deal is, number of counties. Houston doesn't include 20 or 30 counties. If we included our adjacent metro area (Beaumont-Port Arthur-Orange) at 370,000 and adjacent to that (Lake Charles) 165,000, then Houston's megaplex if you will, approaches 6 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citykid09 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 What about Bryan/College Station? Add about 200,000 more to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinatra Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 What about Bryan/College Station? Add about 200,000 more to that.Why not lets do the Atlanta plan and add Austin and San Antonio to the Houston metro area along with Beaumont, Lake Charles and the Bryan College Stations area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 The deal is, number of counties. Houston doesn't include 20 or 30 counties. If we included our adjacent metro area (Beaumont-Port Arthur-Orange) at 370,000 and adjacent to that (Lake Charles) 165,000, then Houston's megaplex if you will, approaches 6 mil.That is not quite accurate. Georgia counties are routinely one-third to one-fourth the size of Texas counties. The MSA and CSA comparisons are very close as far as land area.Atlanta MSA - 8,378 square milesHouston MSA - 8,929 square milesAtlanta CSA - 10,417 square milesHouston CSA - 10,830 square milesHouston's CSA includes the 10 county MSA, plus Walker and Matagorda Counties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalparadise Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 Why not lets do the Atlanta plan and add Austin and San Antonio to the Houston metro area along with Beaumont, Lake Charles and the Bryan College Stations area.Why not just include the Atlanta CSA in Houston's population figures, for a total of more than 10 million? That would show DFW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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