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  1. 1. How do you feel about Houston?

    • I'd never live anywhere else, at least willingly
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    • I would be willing to go, but only for the right opportunity.
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    • It's OK here. I could take it or leave it.
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    • I expect to leave at some point.
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    • Get me the hell out of here!
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    • I've left and I would or want to move back.
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    • I left and I don't regret it.
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    • Other (explain)
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Just being a Nosey Parker here I suppose, but I got to wondering how committed people were to Houston. Would you consider living elsewhere, and if so why and where? Or do you want this to be home for life? I would guess that if you post on HAIF you're pretty much in love with Houston.

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If things don't get better here (In terms of crime, development patterns, etc), then I'm looking elsewhere after graduation.

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We're on vacation this week in Chicago. I would much rather live here (weather, niceness, architecture, public transportation, etc.). Houston is nice though, from October through April or so.

Hmmm..I'm living in Chicago now and the weather kills this city. Pretty much mid-June through September is all that you get and it's down hill from there, esp October through April, but if it wasn't for the weather, the downtown/neartown area would be the greatest city in the states. Now, once you get outside of the closer areas, the city is really unimpressive.

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I'm new to Houston (just hit 8 months on Friday) and I love it here. The humidity is probably my only complaint but that's why we have A/C.

I might live somewhere else if there was a job opportunity I couldn't pass up. I don't regret moving here and if this is where we stay, then I'm really happy.

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Hmmm..I'm living in Chicago now and the weather kills this city. Pretty much mid-June through September is all that you get and it's down hill from there, esp October through April, but if it wasn't for the weather, the downtown/neartown area would be the greatest city in the states. Now, once you get outside of the closer areas, the city is really unimpressive.

How far outside? We're staying in Lakeview, and have publicly transited from here to south of downtown, and all of it is still great and walkable. I don't see why you'd need to go outside of that huge area. You just can't beat the style of early to mid 20th century dense urban growth. Any city trying to do it now isn't going to come up with near the same result (Houston), it's all strip malls, crappy apartment complexes instead of highrises, and master planned communities in BFE. Cold weather is fine. I don't think it kills the city near as much as the hot weather kills all the southern ones. The heat is the main reason they weren't developed as truly walkable, which is why they never had public transport worth a crap, etc.

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I'm new to Houston (just hit 8 months on Friday) and I love it here. The humidity is probably my only complaint but that's why we have A/C.

I might live somewhere else if there was a job opportunity I couldn't pass up. I don't regret moving here and if this is where we stay, then I'm really happy.

...check back with us in about 10 years...

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Just being a Nosey Parker here I suppose, but I got to wondering how committed people were to Houston. Would you consider living elsewhere, and if so why and where? Or do you want this to be home for life? I would guess that if you post on HAIF you're pretty much in love with Houston.

Houston has been good to me, but I'd be willing to move pretty much anywhere in Texas (except for Dallas or the urbanized border counties). If I could find a good job in or telecommute from a predominantly rural area or in a coastal town, I'd aggressively pursue that kind of opportunity.

I'd also be willing to move outside of Texas for a short pre-defined duration if properly motivated, but not within the United States or Canada. England, Australia, or New Zealand would be acceptable if employed there. Russia or Mongolia if I'm in a position to drink vodka and piss money.

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If only they had a need for mail-order husbands. Win-win!

WOW, it took four (4) minutes for someone to shoot down that trial balloon. Mongolia and the Lake Baikal region of Russia are at the top of my travel and foreign living list of awesome places, but every time I mention it I get very strange and negative responses. Especially from women and especially from family. I suspect that they suspect a less-than-altruistic rationale, not that most people would ever say anything that may even indicate their awareness or concern over such an issue. I guess I need to shut up about it, then, and just tell them that I'm in Australia when I (eventually) go.

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They took my saddle in Houston

I voted that I expected to leave at some point.

This is partially not entirely my own decision. It's more so my legacy. There's a part of me that is hopelessly devoted to Houston. Not just as place but even as an idea unto itself. As a capitalist laboratory, Houston was catalyst in architectural thought during the boom years in re engineering architectural skin as brandscape. I had to take that history into account everywheres I rode around in town. It would elude me most as a child. Growing up with downtown since getting my driver's license was to allow myself a succinct era of time to not only value developed land but also the cracks and fissures of vacancy. I liked how I could compare any generic place in the US that I had visited over the years, most especially the coasts B) and compare it's generic-ness to the "simcity" like generic-ness of the "Houston" skin.

I was reading in another thread today:

He distilled and codified its virtues into simple principles: domestic normality, relaxed landscape, oblique orientations, and off axis sequences

Those principles have a lot of sway here and make for a good overall description of Houston; but in my own introspection they have proven to be not enough to keep me from searching for greater meaning in my life. The oblique orientations and off axis sequences are most disturbing of life's newfound informality paradigm. You know it when your driving up I-45 and every acute angled parcel has some monster inward looking apartment complex/motel or splash commercial warehouse/office building gaping for attention. At least the sex shops, graffiti covered dealerships, and inflatable gorillas give it some hollywood character in an otherwise blanket crime scene. It's a brutal balance that I have just lived with.

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Been here all my life and I love Houston, but don't think I wouldn't pass up an opportunity to live in the mountains.

I just got an email yesterday from an old friend who is planning to pack it up and move to Colorado. I think the weather this summer was enough to finally make her snap.

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We're on vacation this week in Chicago. I would much rather live here (weather, niceness, architecture, public transportation, etc.). Houston is nice though, from October through April or so.

I visited Chicago in May. While it has things we don't have here such as Lake Michigan, a VERY dense urban residential population, and a subway system, it reminded me very much of Houston. I suppose it was its mostly flat topography, the fact that both cities are similar in size, the Dan Ryan which reminded me of the 288/59 dual freeway but only on a grander scale, and their bumpy streets.

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...check back with us in about 10 years...

We just passed the 10 year mark in Houston and have long since determined we couldn't live anywhere else for long. The food is way too good here.

Houston has been good to me, but I'd be willing to move pretty much anywhere in Texas (except for Dallas or the urbanized border counties). If I could find a good job in or telecommute from a predominantly rural area or in a coastal town, I'd aggressively pursue that kind of opportunity.

I'd also be willing to move outside of Texas for a short pre-defined duration if properly motivated, but not within the United States or Canada. England, Australia, or New Zealand would be acceptable if employed there. Russia or Mongolia if I'm in a position to drink vodka and piss money.

Amen to 'except for Dallas'. We'll probably always have a place here, but maybe someday we'll buy a second home in the hill country.

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WOW, it took four (4) minutes for someone to shoot down that trial balloon. Mongolia and the Lake Baikal region of Russia are at the top of my travel and foreign living list of awesome places, but every time I mention it I get very strange and negative responses. Especially from women and especially from family. I suspect that they suspect a less-than-altruistic rationale, not that most people would ever say anything that may even indicate their awareness or concern over such an issue. I guess I need to shut up about it, then, and just tell them that I'm in Australia when I (eventually) go.

I doubt it makes any difference to you, but I get it. Some people think if your trip doesn't take you to an inclusive resort beach or an inclusive resort cruise ship, it's not a real vacation. I think if the trip doesn't challenge you and you don't learn something about yourself and your abilities, preferably in an exotic locale, then it wasn't a real vacation. To each their own. I hope you make it to Mongolia some day. Maybe I'll meet you there. For now, I'm sticking to the western hemisphere though. Plane tickets are cheap to South America right now.

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...check back with us in about 10 years...

We just passed the 10 year mark in Houston and have long since determined we couldn't live anywhere else for long. The food is way too good here.

Exactly! I think anywhere is what you make of it.

BrianS seems to be the Debbie Downer of the forums. :lol:

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WOW, it took four (4) minutes for someone to shoot down that trial balloon. Mongolia and the Lake Baikal region of Russia are at the top of my travel and foreign living list of awesome places, but every time I mention it I get very strange and negative responses. Especially from women and especially from family. I suspect that they suspect a less-than-altruistic rationale, not that most people would ever say anything that may even indicate their awareness or concern over such an issue. I guess I need to shut up about it, then, and just tell them that I'm in Australia when I (eventually) go.

Aww, I was merely taking an easy opportunity to make a joke, not pass judgment.

When I've expressed an interest in the former eastern bloc and the balkans, people tend to wrongly assume it's only because I like swarthy men, so I know what you mean.

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Aww, I was merely taking an easy opportunity to make a joke, not pass judgment.

When I've expressed an interest in the former eastern bloc and the balkans, people tend to wrongly assume it's only because I like swarthy men, so I know what you mean.

I know you didn't mean anything bad by it. Hell, the split second before the seriousness set in, I had two retorts come to mind. The first was: "Who ever said there wasn't? Russia has plenty of oligarchs with...ahem...exotic tastes." The second was: "I wonder whether the government of Russia would consider an attempt at 'mail order husbands' a legitimate business purpose for the sake of obtaining a long-term visa."

The thing that was vital about your comment is that it does seem to indicate what I think is the most prominent reaction when I express my weird travel fantasies. "If it's east of Germany, it's very dangerous, and if he manages not to get off'ed by a Russian mobster on the way to Siberia or mauled by a bear in Siberia, then he's probably a sex tourist or some desperate pervy guy that's gonna bring back a slab of slavic meat that plans on divorcing him eventually and taking all his assets."

I would hope that the folks that know me would consider my oddball international travel aspirations in the context of my actual domestic travel experiences and realize that in fact this is just kind of my MO. ...but then again, most people mouth banjo noises and ask whether I've seen deliverance when I tell them I'm kayaking deep east Texas alone in late December. I guess most of society is just that hopeless.

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I know you didn't mean anything bad by it. Hell, the split second before the seriousness set in, I had two retorts come to mind. The first was: "Who ever said there wasn't? Russia has plenty of oligarchs with...ahem...exotic tastes." The second was: "I wonder whether the government of Russia would consider an attempt at 'mail order husbands' a legitimate business purpose for the sake of obtaining a long-term visa."

The thing that was vital about your comment is that it does seem to indicate what I think is the most prominent reaction when I express my weird travel fantasies. "If it's east of Germany, it's very dangerous, and if he manages not to get off'ed by a Russian mobster on the way to Siberia or mauled by a bear in Siberia, then he's probably a sex tourist or some desperate pervy guy that's gonna bring back a slab of slavic meat that plans on divorcing him eventually and taking all his assets."

I would hope that the folks that know me would consider my oddball international travel aspirations in the context of my actual domestic travel experiences and realize that in fact this is just kind of my MO. ...but then again, most people mouth banjo noises and ask whether I've seen deliverance when I tell them I'm kayaking deep east Texas alone in late December. I guess most of society is just that hopeless.

I stand by what I wrote earlier. Most people are too fearful to step very far outside of their box. I applaud your goals. Next time you intend to kayak in East Texas in December, let me know. I'm game for the trip.

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I stand by what I wrote earlier. Most people are too fearful to step very far outside of their box. I applaud your goals. Next time you intend to kayak in East Texas in December, let me know. I'm game for the trip.

Word of caution there. He was out of communication long enough to cause concern. As TJones said then:

"His canoe probably tumped over and now he's a sing'n and pick'n!"

tump = turn or tip (over) + dump = tump

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I stand by what I wrote earlier. Most people are too fearful to step very far outside of their box. I applaud your goals. Next time you intend to kayak in East Texas in December, let me know. I'm game for the trip.

Cool. I prefer that most of my trips be fairly long ones; piddling around in West Galveston Bay gets old pretty quickly. I'm thinking that a trip from Lost River at I-10 (an offshoot of the Trinity near its mouth) to the Port of Galveston via Anahuac, Redfish Island, and Port Bolivar would be an interesting journey. Another trip of interest is the Colorado River below the Town Lake Dam to Quintana Island, but I'll probably go that one alone. I'm tied up until December, again, though.

Word of caution there. He was out of communication long enough to cause concern.

Yeah, after I got laid off (while afloat) and scheduling constraints loosened up, I really took my time with the whole trip.

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Cool. I prefer that most of my trips be fairly long ones; piddling around in West Galveston Bay gets old pretty quickly. I'm thinking that a trip from Lost River at I-10 (an offshoot of the Trinity near its mouth) to the Port of Galveston via Anahuac, Redfish Island, and Port Bolivar would be an interesting journey. Another trip of interest is the Colorado River below the Town Lake Dam to Quintana Island, but I'll probably go that one alone. I'm tied up until December, again, though.

Yeah, after I got laid off (while afloat) and scheduling constraints loosened up, I really took my time with the whole trip.

One trip I'd like to make before I die is a canoe trip the entire length of the Mississippi, from Lake Itasca in Minnesota to the Gulf of Mexico. At 2300 miles, that trip should take at least eight or nine months.

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I like Houston alright, and it's a pretty exciting time to live here with all of the recent additions like Discovery Green, HP, OPP, and now the crop of new stuff going up. At the same time, I doubt I'll live here forever. I've got to leave town to get my Doctorate b/c I just don't feel like dealing with UH or Rice. So where I go for that and after that... who knows? But I'm glad for the time that I have here, and I'll always be willing to come back and visit Houston. It's a great town with great people.

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I just got an email yesterday from an old friend who is planning to pack it up and move to Colorado. I think the weather this summer was enough to finally make her snap.

Funny since that's where I would want to move as well. Colorado Springs or Estes Park...something along those lines. Not b/c of the weather though, I just want a little topography in my life. Going to school in Lubbock didn't quite provide enough contrast. :P

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What a depressing thread. I'm beginning to think I won't ever be able to get far enough away. Everybody just move to Dallas, you'll all really like it there. Or are you afraid you'll really, really like it and won't ever want to move back?

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I have a love/hate relationship with Houston. I'm sentimentally attached to the city because I grew up here and most of my family and childhood friends still live here. However, I don't care for how much Houston has grown. There are just getting to be too many people for my taste, and congestion seems to be getting worse, especially in parts of the inner-loop. I'm planning to leave in a few years, and I'll probably move to a smaller Texas city.

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What a depressing thread. I'm beginning to think I won't ever be able to get far enough away. Everybody just move to Dallas, you'll all really like it there. Or are you afraid you'll really, really like it and won't ever want to move back?

The problem with your suggestion (and I'm assuming you're being sarcastic) is that Dallas has little to offer above and beyond what Houston already offers.

Someday I will probably leave Houston, and I will want something completely different. But for now, I feel Houston is an underrated city and a great place to afford a good middle-class life.

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Glad to see I'm one of 10 people who would "never live anywhere else, at least willingly." LOL.

I know there's bigger and better out there, but Houston has been good to me. My roots are here. My family (both blood and otherwise) is here. Houston is my home and I will cut a delicate flower who lives high on the hog off our city and hates it. Suggestion: GTFO.

(Yes, I'm very loyal and protective of her...WHAT?)

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Born here in 1968. Spent my entire life here, except my kindergarten year (family issues led us to Seguin for the school year).

Would leave if another job paid me LOTS, but wouldn't like it.

H-town is my home.

My dirty, smelly, littered, noisy, hoboed-up parking lot of a home.

My fun, bright, yummy, friendly, handshaking melting pot of a home.

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Like someone else said, I have a very much love/hate relationship with Houston. I grew up here from 1961~1966; left in 5th grade when my family was transferred overseas; came back in 1973 and went to University here and to Law School. There's an awful lot to like here, but, by the same token, I feel like it's closed in on me; the overcrowding is obnoxious, the freeways are outa control. I might like it better if I could live inside or near inside the Loop but I'm stuck in Spring, (my wife, now a grandmother won't leave Spring). There's been so much change here, so much outa control development it's gotten pretty nerve wracking and frankly, the crime is outa control. We don't sleep very well here anymore. Our retirement plan is the hill country region. I will say that of all the cities I've visited/lived in in Texas, Houston is the most affordable and the best laid out, (IMHO). But the "feel" of the place has turned hostile. We feel beseiged.

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I'm a bit surprised at the number who expect to leave.

Myself, I fully expect to move back to Houston at some point. It wouldn't be the first time I have left and returned. The odd thing is that I didn't set out to leave. I was out of town for a few weeks, stumbled onto a good job, and just stayed.

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I voted, "leave if the opportunity is right". Mostly because I really like it here, but the spouse is not a fan of the city. So if we both can find meaningful employment in a place we would like to live, we'll go. But that's a tall order given that we're both pretty specialized.

I love the mountains, and was privileged to go to grad school in one of the most gorgeous places in the US, but the chances of me getting a job there are slim. So we go back there to visit.

In the meantime, I love living in the "Hot Mess" that is Houston. I've had the chance to start my career on a good note, have a house in a nice neighborhood, and meet a lot of very cool people. That's not a bad deal. I just wish we had more of a view and less of a summer.

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I've been back in Houston for just over a year now and am loving it. I truly don't miss Boston at all. People always assume the grass is greener, but Houston is a great place to call home. Life is easier here and that includes these dog days of summer. Give me a sweaty forehead over having to scrape ice off of stoops any day. Additionally, after being stuck in a terrible condo situation (crazy-assed neighbor who would rather the building fall down than make repairs), it's nice to live close in but also to have a small lawn and a FENCE.

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I've been here almost all my life. Since Ding Dong School was on TV.

Being retired now, I'll be moving to "the country" soon and am really looking forward to that. The old family place beckons.

Downside is, it's remote and the nearest grocery stores are 10+ miles away, in several directions. TV reception without a dish sucks and with one is iffy so we've been told. We've not looked into internet service as most of the folks out there, in a 5 mile area, could not be bothered with computers. But, the air is clean, it's still hot as blazes and we do have A/C! And the well water really does taste good (which is not always the case in rural areas). Plus, there is a nice big sky out there....especially at night.

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Just being a Nosey Parker here I suppose, but I got to wondering how committed people were to Houston. Would you consider living elsewhere, and if so why and where? Or do you want this to be home for life? I would guess that if you post on HAIF you're pretty much in love with Houston.

Are there any options in between? Can you be one thing one day and another thing the next?

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For the most part I've enjoyed Houston, but seeing how the local music industry has almost completely tanked, I'm looking to move. Love the cost of living here, but in my industry, that doesn't always matter. And, although I enjoy the heat more than bitter cold, it's getting to where I dread the Summer here.

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For the most part I've enjoyed Houston, but seeing how the local music industry has almost completely tanked, I'm looking to move. Love the cost of living here, but in my industry, that doesn't always matter. And, although I enjoy the heat more than bitter cold, it's getting to where I dread the Summer here.

Very true, it almost saps one's will to do anything. But so do ice and snow, and what's more they take many lives and endanger any more. On purely meteorological grounds, I think this city trumps many. On other grounds, it certainly doesn't.

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This is interesting.

I was born and raised in Texas City which, distance-wise, isn't far from Houston but culturally it's worlds apart. I left and lived in North Carolina for awhile, when I started really appreciating what we do have here. July and August suck just about everywhere. It might be a little more humid here, but there's a point when hot and humid is hot and humid. It stops mattering. But I saw enough of a winter in NC to make me know I don't really look forward to winter when that comes around. At least in the summer here I am not going to experience the thrills of driving in an ice storm. Has nothing to do with the way I physically feel when it's cold. I'll get out in most anything. I just don't want to drive in that crap.

I'll go somewhere if the right thing comes around, but I'm not actively looking to leave town. I just might move closer in instead.

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Very true, it almost saps one's will to do anything. But so do ice and snow, and what's more they take many lives and endanger any more. On purely meteorological grounds, I think this city trumps many. On other grounds, it certainly doesn't.

I agree that the Summer here is similar to many areas of the country, save the humidity, but my main reason for leaving is the music industry. Houston is really in bad shape. Even Dallas, and I can't stand Dallas, has a much better industry right now. It's as if H-Town's club owners don't care about moving the cities bands forward anymore and that has not always been the case.

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I agree that the Summer here is similar to many areas of the country, save the humidity, but my main reason for leaving is the music industry. Houston is really in bad shape. Even Dallas, and I can't stand Dallas, has a much better industry right now. It's as if H-Town's club owners don't care about moving the cities bands forward anymore and that has not always been the case.

Last week's Press ran a cover story that said the music scene here was particularly good, though I grant that was for more of what can be called outlaw country or Texas country. Is the quality of the scene here genre specific? I understand hip-hop, the blues and tejano also have a great scene here.

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As long as there are houses being built in Houston, Tejano will be alive and well....

Texas has some pretty cool music styles associated with it, but none are, in my opinion, anywhere as unique as Tejano. It's about the most Texas-y fusion of music that's even possible. I love its uniqueness, and I'd gladly spend many evenings of my life listening to it.

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Last week's Press ran a cover story that said the music scene here was particularly good, though I grant that was for more of what can be called outlaw country or Texas country. Is the quality of the scene here genre specific? I understand hip-hop, the blues and tejano also have a great scene here.

The Press is generally very politcal musically... What I mean is that they are locked into a certain musical camp each year and do little to move new/original acts forward, regardless of genre. That's not to say that they're doing nothing to promote the Houston scene, but they're mainly promoting the same peeps over and over. They've done very little for anyone locally that doesn't already have a regional following.

When I first got to Houston the scene was fabulous, in fact, one of the best in the country. Club owners were really pushing the good acts, not just here, but across Texas and Louisiana, and really took pride in the local scene. Now, not so much, if at all. There are still a few, but most have lost the civic pride that once existed. Even hip hop has taken a downward turn here.

Fortunately I've made enough money in Europe and Japan to last it through, but I'm settling down now into session work, and it's almost non existant here anymore. I'm not an Austin bandwagon jumper, but it looks like that's my next stop. I sure as hell don't want to go to Nashville.

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