940 Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Hillwood Reels In House of BluesBy Connie Gore Last updated: March 3, 2006 05:30pm (For more retail coverage, click GlobeSt.com/RETAIL.)DALLAS-After three years of trying to land the deal, Hillwood has secured a 60,000-sf, long-term lease with House of Blues. If the plan stays on track, the Los Angeles-based operator will open doors on its first music hall in Texas by the end of this year or early 2007 in the historic White Swan Building."We always wanted House of Blues to do a venue here," says Jonas Woods, president of Hillwood Capital. "But, it wasn't until they saw all the momentum at Victory that they were ready to make a commitment." Plans stalled to include House of Blues in Victory's West Plaza building, but talks picked up again about six months ago with HOB Entertainment Inc.Woods says the White Swan Building at 2200 N. Lamar St. is now jointly owned by Hillwood and Tomlinson-Leis Corp. He tells GlobeSt.com that $25 million will be invested into an adaptive reuse of the building, which rose in stages between 1900 and 1924 and is on the National Register of Historic Places.Woods says construction will begin by midyear. The fa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamtagon Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Sorry, I just cant keep it contained today....The House of Blues in Dallas will be bigger and open before the one in Houston. Imagine that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saddleman Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Of course it will be.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewMND Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Great googly moogly, so Houston get's an exclusive, then Dallas get its, or Dallas gets an exclusive, then Houston gets it. You know, for all the Houston/Dallas rivalry, what's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ V Lawrence Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Great googly moogly, so Houston get's an exclusive, then Dallas get its, or Dallas gets an exclusive, then Houston gets it. You know, for all the Houston/Dallas rivalry, what's the difference?That's pretty annoying. I REALLY want to see more exclusives in Houston but not anywhere elsein Texas, and see Dallas with the same. I wonder if the buzz on House of Blues Houston was killed a little because of the Dallas announcement. We both have Gallerias, had Six Flags at one point in the area, have retractable roof football stadiums within the next 5 years, and have Victory/Houston Pavillions coming up. Fustration Station at it's finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewMND Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 We both have Gallerias, had Six Flags at one point in the area, have retractable roof football stadiums within the next 5 years, and have Victory/Houston Pavillions coming up. Fustration Station at it's finest.Well from what I've heard, supposedly Hardy Rail Yards would be more comparable to Victory, but yeah, I get what you mean. In California, where I'm from, there is a rivalry between LA and San Fran, but the cities are actually different! But Houston and Dallas just seem more alike than different, so I don't really get that rivalry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ18 Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 That's pretty annoying. I REALLY want to see more exclusives in Houston but not anywhere elsein Texas, and see Dallas with the same. I wonder if the buzz on House of Blues Houston was killed a little because of the Dallas announcement. We both have Gallerias, had Six Flags at one point in the area, have retractable roof football stadiums within the next 5 years, and have Victory/Houston Pavillions coming up. Fustration Station at it's finest. I know exacly what you mean. Victory is no comparison to our Houston Pavilions, Victory is near opening but it sits near the highway its soo ugly there and the DART tracks make it worse. I'm not kidding when I last went to Dallas 2 months ago I had a perfect view of Victory from my room, I seriosly thought the tracks were for a regular train; no people no notting even near Victory. The streets near the W look like the path streets to hell. Dallas is soo nasty and dirty. If Paris Hilton was a city she'll be Dallas. "We both have Galleria's" Our Galleria would blow any mall in Dallas out of competition. Yes Northpark will have some nice stores but the mall is soo boring (its like Dr. Suess worst nightmare) and the way they place they're stores is stupid. They're Galleria sits in "Da Ghetto" you just get a felling you're going to get mugged. Sorry Dallas "I" don't give you credit for Highland Park Village, Willow Bend and Stonebriar because they aren't consider Dallas but Highland Park and Plano malls. "Yo Dallas talk to me when yo burbs stop taiking yo exclusives" Six Flags yes Dallas had the better one and will always have it. Ours truely sucked, it was dirty and in a way I didn't care when it closed. Wait isn't Six Flags in Arlington? LMAO Reliant Stadium is one of the best stadiums in America. enough said.... I wrote this because its true people do really want to shape Dallas up like Houston, you'll never see people trying to convert Houston into Dallas...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ V Lawrence Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 If Paris Hilton was a city she'll be Dallas. I'm sorry, was that a diss to Dallas or Hilton? Reliant Stadium is one of the best stadiums in America. enough said.... I wrote this because its true people do really want to shape Dallas up like Houston, you'll never see people trying to convert Houston into Dallas...... You're exactly right. I don't think it's a matter of Houston being better than Dallas, or vice versa. Houston's the bigger city, and Dallas will always do what they can to one day become the biggest Texas city size and revenue wise. It's the same with the way Houston sees New York, L.A, Chicago, and Atlanta. We always want to improve. We tend to try something different and new, while others in the business industry seem to learn what they can. As I said, I'm tired of the whole Houston/Dallas similarity thing. It stinks. There should be only one Houston. How is either city going to keep an original identity if we both have too much infrastructure and entertainment venues in common? I was happy about House of Blues in Houston at first, but the thought that Dallas and Houston are BOTH opening, and in the same year, doesn't feel as exclusive anymore. I wanted a Trump Tower in Houston at one point, but Dallas is getting one. They can keep it. Isn't the Astrodome Hotel supposed to follow some entertainment place in the Dallas area, too? I wish Dallas the best, but damn, I wish for something exclusive for just one place. What do both cities have to do to ensure that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C2H Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 dang that is alot to swallow. Not trying to throw salt on Dallas but it seems that Houston can't get anything without Dallas getting it too or even Dallas getting something better. Before we know it, Dallas WILL outdo Houston because it will have or already has: Trump Tower Dallas, Victory Park, HOB, Six Flags over Texas, Medieval Times, expanding DART trasnsportation, Galleria, and etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallascaper Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 I know exacly what you mean. Victory is no comparison to our Houston Pavilions, Victory is near opening but it sits near the highway its soo ugly there and the DART tracks make it worse. I'm not kidding when I last went to Dallas 2 months ago I had a perfect view of Victory from my room, I seriosly thought the tracks were for a regular train; no people no notting even near Victory. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, RANT, RANT, RANT...Wow, JJ18, where did the pissy attitude come from? I'm sorry your time in Dallas was so horrible; maybe you should stay in Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ V Lawrence Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Wow, JJ18, where did the pissy attitude come from? I'm sorry your time in Dallas was so horrible; maybe you should stay in Houston.Yo, I would have been in a pissy mood too if Dallas decided to build HOB in the Victory complex, right after we announced it being at the Houston Pavillions (that ALMOST happened).What retail's been announced for Victory so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ18 Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Wow, JJ18, where did the pissy attitude come from? I'm sorry your time in Dallas was so horrible; maybe you should stay in Houston. "Kiss ma' ass" - Whitney Houston from Being Bobby Brown LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ18 Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 dang that is alot to swallow. Not trying to throw salt on Dallas but it seems that Houston can't get anything without Dallas getting it too or even Dallas getting something better. Before we know it, Dallas WILL outdo Houston because it will have or already has: Trump Tower Dallas, Victory Park, HOB, Six Flags over Texas, Medieval Times, expanding DART trasnsportation, Galleria, and etc. "Dallas will outdo Houston"?? I think Plano will outdo Dallas after that happends LMAO. Just because Trump is building a project in Dallas doesn't mean Dallas will outdo Houston. Trump: his casinos, show, hair, and buildings suck! His wife is HOT though LMAO so enless Trump builds the tallest building in Texas title wich Houston holds, we shouldn't worry........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallascaper Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 I'm sorry, was that a diss to Dallas or Hilton? You're exactly right. I don't think it's a matter of Houston being better than Dallas, or vice versa. Houston's the bigger city, and Dallas will always do what they can to one day become the biggest Texas city size and revenue wise. It's the same with the way Houston sees New York, L.A, Chicago, and Atlanta. We always want to improve. We tend to try something different and new, while others in the business industry seem to learn what they can. As I said, I'm tired of the whole Houston/Dallas similarity thing. It stinks. There should be only one Houston. How is either city going to keep an original identity if we both have too much infrastructure and entertainment venues in common? I was happy about House of Blues in Houston at first, but the thought that Dallas and Houston are BOTH opening, and in the same year, doesn't feel as exclusive anymore. I wanted a Trump Tower in Houston at one point, but Dallas is getting one. They can keep it. Isn't the Astrodome Hotel supposed to follow some entertainment place in the Dallas area, too? I wish Dallas the best, but damn, I wish for something exclusive for just one place. What do both cities have to do to ensure that? I don't know much about HOB, but I do know it isn't a Houston original; it started somewhere else - LA, no? - and is already in a dozen cities. This is the way big business works in America; somebody has a good idea, and five years later it is everywhere. Houston has a Chili's, Dallas has Chili's, Houston has a Penney's, Dallas has a Penney's, repeat in every major city in the US and continue forever. How does the location of HOB in Dallas diminish your enjoyment of the music? Or does it simply diminish someone's bragging rights? I don't know about Houston, but Dallas needs a quality music venue, even if it is corporate sealed, packaged, and indistinguishable from all of the other HOB clones. I suggest that we all sit back and enjoy the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallascaper Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Yo, I would have been in a pissy mood too if Dallas decided to build HOB in the Victory complex, right after we announced it being at the Houston Pavillions (that ALMOST happened).What retail's been announced for Victory so far?I just don't get it. "Dallas" didn't decide to build anything; HOB agreed with Hillwood to open a location at Victory. Somebody is doing their job, that's all. As for the "Pavilions," it's going to be great development in the middle of downtown Houston; HOB will be an exciting addition.If people in Houston are going to get in a tizzy every time a business of national significance opens in Dallas, you might want to start tapping into all that energy and sell it back to the electric company. Victory is a 3 billion dollar development; I don't care where you build it, NYC even, something that big will get attention. HOB isn't the first big deal for Victory and it isn't going to be the last. Dallas is attracting some attention because it is finally getting interesting, which by the way, doesn't hurt Houston in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimberlySayWhat Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Houston VS Dallas talk? This is something new. I think getting a HOB is great, but the franchise has been around for at least 10 years now. Both Houston and Dallas and Austin and San Antonio should have each had one by now. We're all behind. And you know what? We're the only ones who care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 I don't know much about HOB, but I do know it isn't a Houston original; it started somewhere else - LA, no? - and is already in a dozen cities. This is the way big business works in America; somebody has a good idea, and five years later it is everywhere. Houston has a Chili's, Dallas has Chili's, Houston has a Penney's, Dallas has a Penney's, repeat in every major city in the US and continue forever. How does the location of HOB in Dallas diminish your enjoyment of the music? Or does it simply diminish someone's bragging rights? I don't know about Houston, but Dallas needs a quality music venue, even if it is corporate sealed, packaged, and indistinguishable from all of the other HOB clones. I suggest that we all sit back and enjoy the music.Thank you, Dallascaper, for saving me the trouble of saying that. There is little innovation or uniqueness in the US these days...and most annoyingly, that includes our cities. In fact, rather than appreciate what little differences we do have, most posters on this board delicate flower and moan that "Dallas got one, we should too", or vice-versa.All I hear is crying about Six Flags, football stadiums and shopping malls, as if they are unique and special. When's the last time you heard a Dallasite brag about Fair Park, the largest collection of Art Deco buildings in the world? Or a Houstonian brag about Memorial Park, one of the largest inner city parks in the country, twice the size of Central Park? You don't, because Americans are so obsessed with being like everyone else, we are trampling each other to stamp out any individuality we have left.I blame it on 24 hour TV, with the attendant marketing that insists that you are not 'hip' unless you have what everyone else has. Even the so-called 'upscale' shops are located in every city. You too, can spend $200 on a pair of jeans like every other wannabe in town.I hope the HOB in Dallas helps resuscitate that dreadful tourist trap known as West End. I hope the HOB in Houston attracts timid suburbanites to our urban downtown jungle. Hell, I hope it even makes downtown a jungle to begin with! But, what I truly wish is that these venues draw enough people that REAL unique venues might have a chance to open and thrive. THAT would make them worth it.And, most of all, I wish people would appreciate what's different about these 2 cities, instead of trying to make them identical to every other mid-size city in America.You know who you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimberlySayWhat Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Word. Now Houston needs to develope a space themed amusement park by Nasa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewMND Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Speaking of quality music venues, has anyone been to Warehouse Music yet? I think it's near the Meridian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonDFW Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 I seriosly thought the tracks were for a regular train; no people no notting even near Victory. I would consider this a regular train: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ V Lawrence Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Thank you, Dallascaper, for saving me the trouble of saying that. There is little innovation or uniqueness in the US these days...and most annoyingly, that includes our cities. In fact, rather than appreciate what little differences we do have, most posters on this board delicate flower and moan that "Dallas got one, we should too", or vice-versa.All I hear is crying about Six Flags, football stadiums and shopping malls, as if they are unique and special. When's the last time you heard a Dallasite brag about Fair Park, the largest collection of Art Deco buildings in the world? Or a Houstonian brag about Memorial Park, one of the largest inner city parks in the country, twice the size of Central Park? You don't, because Americans are so obsessed with being like everyone else, we are trampling each other to stamp out any individuality we have left.I blame it on 24 hour TV, with the attendant marketing that insists that you are not 'hip' unless you have what everyone else has. Even the so-called 'upscale' shops are located in every city. You too, can spend $200 on a pair of jeans like every other wannabe in town.I hope the HOB in Dallas helps resuscitate that dreadful tourist trap known as West End. I hope the HOB in Houston attracts timid suburbanites to our urban downtown jungle. Hell, I hope it even makes downtown a jungle to begin with! But, what I truly wish is that these venues draw enough people that REAL unique venues might have a chance to open and thrive. THAT would make them worth it.And, most of all, I wish people would appreciate what's different about these 2 cities, instead of trying to make them identical to every other mid-size city in America.You know who you are.I understand your point. I just want to see both cities succeed in their developments to their fullest potential.I also know you wish the same.What I'm saying is that, for example, if Dallas had a House of Blues, and Houston didn't, I feel like that'd be one more reason why I'd want to visit Dallas. The restaurant will succeed in both cities, and the corporation just wants that green. But if you're an organization or company looking to host a convention, how difficult would it be to choose between the two if so many tourist attractions have similar names behind them? It's been a while since I've heard of any new developments that could be found in just one city in Texas, and I'm kinda hoping for more to start up in the future. I assumed at first that HOB would be that. I was wrong and naive.Doesn't anyone here think it's wierd that both Houston and Dallas have a building with green lighting around it in the skyline, that Dallas and San Antonio both have rotating restaurants in the skyline, that the Houston area's starting to develop riverwalks like San Antonio's, that Houston and Dallas both have billion-dollar developments within a block away from their brand new downtown basketball arenas, that both..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarface Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 ^^^ last time i checked, Houston had a rotating restaurant in its skyline too, just not quite as tall as the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Timmy Chan's Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Sorry, I just cant keep it contained today....The House of Blues in Dallas will be bigger and open before the one in Houston. Imagine that. My understanding is that the seating capacity of each HOB will be the same. The Dallas fire code, however, called for an extra 17,000 sf of space to contain all the BIG HAIR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ V Lawrence Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 ^^^ last time i checked, Houston had a rotating restaurant in its skyline too, just not quite as tall as the other two.That's true (I think it's the Hyatt). But you really can't see it when you see the Houston skyline as a whole. It's also on top of a hotel, as compared to Dallas, San Antonio, and Seattle, that all have theirs as seperate structures that stands out as probably the most noticable structure in their skylines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
940 Posted March 6, 2006 Author Share Posted March 6, 2006 What I'm saying is that, for example, if Dallas had a House of Blues, and Houston didn't, I feel like that'd be one more reason why I'd want to visit Dallas. The restaurant will succeed in both cities, and the corporation just wants that green. But if you're an organization or company looking to host a convention, how difficult would it be to choose between the two if so many tourist attractions have similar names behind them? It's been a while since I've heard of any new developments that could be found in just one city in Texas, and I'm kinda hoping for more to start up in the future. I assumed at first that HOB would be that. I was wrong and naive.Doesn't anyone here think it's wierd that both Houston and Dallas have a building with green lighting around it in the skyline, that Dallas and San Antonio both have rotating restaurants in the skyline, that the Houston area's starting to develop riverwalks like San Antonio's, that Houston and Dallas both have billion-dollar developments within a block away from their brand new downtown basketball arenas, that both..... The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. 2002. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery To imitate someone is to pay the person a genuine compliment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ V Lawrence Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. 2002. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery To imitate someone is to pay the person a genuine compliment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 This whole thread is beyond rediculous. Who gives a crap about the HOB? Sure it's nice to have one, but as Red said and I summarize, it's just another chain store.Give me something original to brag about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Dallas WILL outdo Houston because it will have or already has: Medieval Times.WHAT? Dallas is getting a Medieval Times? Well that settles it, I'm packing up and blowing this popsicle stand.I agree with Red - the real losers are the ones who are arguing over which city has more themed restaurants & shopping centers. Who cares if we both have a HOB. It's not like we're the first city to have it. How about we wait until a unique or more exclusive venue is debating over which Texas metropolis to build in, before we start fighting over another glorified Hard Rock Cafe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west20th Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 WHAT? Dallas is getting a Medieval Times? Well that settles it, I'm packing up and blowing this popsicle stand.I agree with Red - the real losers are the ones who are arguing over which city has more themed restaurants & shopping centers. Who cares if we both have a HOB. It's not like we're the first city to have it. How about we wait until a unique or more exclusive venue is debating over which Texas metropolis to build in, before we start fighting over another glorified Hard Rock Cafe. And besides, we should be arguing about what is REALLY important. Who has the most upscale shopping opportunities! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 And besides, we should be arguing about what is REALLY important. Who has the most upscale shopping opportunities! Please no! Anything but that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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