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westguy Posted February 14, 2006 Author Share Posted February 14, 2006 Could the US do this in 30? Shouldn't it be doing something now? If Volvo manages to go gasoline-free in a few years that would be the final nail in GM's and Ford's coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Oil free in 30 years? Not likely. A 50% or more drop in oil usage? Probably could. But, you have to start somewhere. We haven't even started. The Administration thinks conservation is a "moral virtue". Something as big as oil conservation must be encouraged with higher standards, more research, viable alternatives such as good transit systems and high speed rail. This administration's approach to an energy crisis is to advocate for more drilling. With that approach, we'll conserve oil when we run out. Even the president's call for alternative fuels had virtually no research funding to go with the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 This administration's approach to an energy crisis is to advocate for more drilling.Do you blame them? The Carter Administration committed political suicide when it blamed the energy crisis on Joe Sickpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west20th Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Do you blame them? The Carter Administration committed political suicide when it blamed the energy crisis on Joe Sickpack's consumption.Next thing you know, Regan was in office, and Americans were feeling good about themselves.I've always heard Bush was a "leader" and didn't lead based on polls. Guess that is just rhetoric. Anyway, re-election is not an issue with him so now is the time to move toward alternative fuels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 As soon as oil goes bye-bye, Houston is going to be royally screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Do you blame them? The Carter Administration committed political suicide when it blamed the energy crisis on Joe Sickpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 As soon as oil goes bye-bye, Houston is going to be royally screwed.It seems to me that the big oil boys would be wise to this. They certainly have the means and funds to begin oil free research and development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Thankfully Houston (energy industry) also makes a lot of money on LNG pipelines and Trading activity is picking up nicely.And we'll still need oil to make plastics and other refined procucts.But here is the kicker. The Middle East is #3 for US imports. Bush never said anything about reducing dependency on our #1 & #2 sources (Canda and Venesuela). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncertaintraveler Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 If Volvo manages to go gasoline-free in a few years that would be the final nail in GM's and Ford's coffin.Uhhh...Ford owns Volvo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 "Oil-Free Economy" is disingenuous. Sweden makes a crapload of money pumping oil and selling it to other nations. They love oil -- as long as they get money for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westguy Posted February 14, 2006 Author Share Posted February 14, 2006 That's probably Norway because it happens to be on the right side of the North Sea deposits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 And we'll still need oil to make plastics and other refined procucts.This is actually what I'm more curious/concerned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 "Oil-Free Economy" is disingenuous. Sweden makes a crapload of money pumping oil and selling it to other nations. They love oil -- as long as they get money for it.According to the CIA, Sweden produces 2,500 barrels of oil a day, compared to Saudi Arabia's 9.5 Million...hardly a crapload. They import 550,000 barrels and export 200,000 of that oil, leaving consumption of 350,000 barrels a day...compared to US consumption of 22 million barrels.Far from disingeuous, Sweden is one country that actually could do it. What they likely won't be able to do, however, is curb their use of plastics and other oil derivitives. But, reducing oil consumption for power and transportation to zero is impressive, no matter which way you look at it. The US looks technologically impotent in comparison...not to mention more susceptible to despotic Middle East countries...something more than a few Americans claim to be concerned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 According to the CIA, Sweden produces 2,500 barrels of oil a day, compared to Saudi Arabia's 9.5 Million...hardly a crapload. They import 550,000 barrels and export 200,000 of that oil, leaving consumption of 350,000 barrels a day...compared to US consumption of 22 million barrels.Far from disingeuous, Sweden is one country that actually could do it. What they likely won't be able to do, however, is curb their use of plastics and other oil derivitives. But, reducing oil consumption for power and transportation to zero is impressive, no matter which way you look at it. The US looks technologically impotent in comparison...not to mention more susceptible to despotic Middle East countries...something more than a few Americans claim to be concerned about.Thanks for having hard facts to refute me with. Maybe I was thinking of another Scandinavian country. Perhaps Norway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Thanks for having hard facts to refute me with. Maybe I was thinking of another Scandinavian country. Perhaps Norway.I think it is Norway that is ugly with oil. Don't they share a peninsula? I was frankly, stunned to see next door neighbors with such disparate numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 The geology is pretty wacky up there. It could also be that Sweden simply hasn't explored its oil reserves the way its neighbors have. I think Sweden has a lot of geothermal available, so they may not need the oil that they have. Must be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmainguy Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Next thing you know, Regan was in office, and Americans were feeling good about themselves. I agree...I started to feel better after IranContra when Oliver North sold weapons to our enemy. I forget but that must have been the birth of Compassionate Conservatism...although I do fault him for not sucking a few more barrels of oil out of Iran while we were arming them under the table. Now THAT was stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 As soon as oil goes bye-bye, Houston is going to be royally screwed.Coog, lucky for us, we and our children, and our children's children, and our children's childrens' children, and our children's children's children's children, etc., etc., won't be around to see it.Far from disingeuous, Sweden is one country that actually could do it. What they likely won't be able to do, however, is curb their use of plastics and other oil derivitives.or their neighboring country's crappy products from IKEA ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Could the US do this in 30? Shouldn't it be doing something now? If Volvo manages to go gasoline-free in a few years that would be the final nail in GM's and Ford's coffin.ford owns volvo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Sorry westguy, don't think Ford is gonna go "under" Volvo, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Mazda......... all Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westguy Posted February 16, 2006 Author Share Posted February 16, 2006 uncertaintraveler already corrected me upthread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Sorry westguy, don't think Ford is gonna go "under" Volvo, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Mazda......... all Ford.i think we missed one here ... range rover too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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