Willy1 Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 (edited) Austin is growing faster than SA. Numbers and percentage wise.It did in the 90's but that's not the case any longer. What are your sources? Here are mine:From the city of Austin - this article talks about the "slow but steatdy population growth rate" in the first half of the decade which is down from about 3.5% in the 90's and is now closer to 1.3%: http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/census/download...wth%20rate'From 2000 to 2004 the US Census Bureau shows the following growth rates for Tx Cities with populations over 500,000:FW grew by 11.5% with an increase in population of 61,998 (which does not include the 37,000 FW added in 2005) San Antonio 7.4%, increase of 84,978Dallas 1.8%, increase of 21,804Houston 2.5%, increase of 55,743El Paso 5.0 %, increase of 28,442Austin 3.3%, increase of 21,520In terms of % increase, FW is the fastest growing Texas city, followed by San Antonio, El Paso, Austin, Houston, and then Dallas. However, in terms of raw population increase - which is the one that really affects the ranking of city sizes - San Antonio is the fastest growing, followed by FW, then Houston, El Paso, Dallas and Austin... Austin is the slowest growing large city in Texas. Furthermore, FW is set to overtake Austin population-wise in the next year or two. Fort Worth's annual population increase doubled last year from about 20K per year to almost 40K just for last year alone. FW's current population is 661,850. Austin has, on average, added less than 8,000 per year in recent years. FW's population is more than likely within 40,000 of Austin's now. At currrent growth rates, FW is on track to top 800K by 2010. Edited June 5, 2006 by Willy1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 ^I actually mean metro areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 It did in the 90's but that's not the case any longer. What are your sources? Here are mine:From the city of Austin - this article talks about the "slow but steatdy population growth rate" in the first half of the decade which is down from about 3.5% in the 90's and is now closer to 1.3%: http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/census/download...wth%20rate'From 2000 to 2004 the US Census Bureau shows the following growth rates for Tx Cities with populations over 500,000:FW grew by 11.5% with an increase in population of 61,998 (which does not include the 37,000 FW added in 2005) San Antonio 7.4%, increase of 84,978Dallas 1.8%, increase of 21,804Houston 2.5%, increase of 55,743El Paso 5.0 %, increase of 28,442Austin 3.3%, increase of 21,520In terms of % increase, FW is the fastest growing Texas city, followed by San Antonio, El Paso, Austin, Houston, and then Dallas. However, in terms of raw population increase - which is the one that really affects the ranking of city sizes - San Antonio is the fastest growing, followed by FW, then Houston, El Paso, Dallas and Austin... Austin is the slowest growing large city in Texas. Furthermore, FW is set to overtake Austin population-wise in the next year or two. Fort Worth's annual population increase doubled last year from about 20K per year to almost 40K just for last year alone. FW's current population is 661,850. Austin has, on average, added less than 8,000 per year in recent years. FW's population is more than likely within 40,000 of Austin's now. At currrent growth rates, FW is on track to top 800K by 2010.Source for your 2005 Ft Worth numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonDFW Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Source for your 2005 Ft Worth numbers?From the NCTCOG. Some people get the letters mixed up so the easier web alias to remember is www.dfwinfo.comJason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy1 Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 From the NCTCOG. Some people get the letters mixed up so the easier web alias to remember is www.dfwinfo.comJasonActually, the FW 2005 population was widely reported on locally because the increase in population for 2005 was unexpected. FW added nearly twice as many people in 2005 as it had in the the previous few years, each of which were about 20K per year... I saw it in the Star Telegram, the Dallas Morning News, on dfwinfo.com, and if you search the web for fort worth 2005 population, you'll find several sources there as well. FW has added just under 130K to the population from the 2000 census to 2005. So, FW has 5 years of growth left to be calculated into the 2010 census, which should put FW around 800K by 2010 if the growth continues. And, most experts say it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonDFW Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Actually, the FW 2005 population was widely reported on locally because the increase in population for 2005 was unexpected. FW added nearly twice as many people in 2005 as it had in the the previous few years, each of which were about 20K per year... I saw it in the Star Telegram, the Dallas Morning News, on dfwinfo.com, and if you search the web for fort worth 2005 population, you'll find several sources there as well.I think we might be saying the same thing, but there is only one source for the figure, and that is the NCTCOG aka dfwinfo.com. Everyone else (ST, DMN etc...) is just repeating the number for the NCTCOG.Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
713 To 214 Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 (edited) Things are coming along swiftly. . . A lot should be in place for the NBA FInals. Go Mavs! WFAA (Channel 8 - ABC Affiliate) in East Victory Plaza getting glass panels installed to its new broadcast studio. photo by maconahey Click here to see installation of the foundation for the Media Tower at West Victory Plaza. This is the tower in the renderings that will adorn a giant media screen at the top. When 4 individual screens merge to form 1 at East Victory Plaza. Click Here. Edited June 6, 2006 by 713 To 214 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
713 To 214 Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Hey, the top of the W Hotel changes colors , now Photos by maconahey Click here, too. Glass Floor of "Ghost Bar" being installed. Photo by maconahey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 (edited) Willy1, I was talking about the growth in the metro areas. Edited June 6, 2006 by Trae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tierwestah Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 (edited) Dang i like that color lighting scheme of the W hotel. Dallas gets all the fancy lighting in their downtown and buildings. All Houston gets is ugly year-round Christmas lights. on their buildings Edited June 6, 2006 by tierwestah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
713 To 214 Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Nice pic of W Hotel, The Terrace, and Residences of Victory. Click here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxDave Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Dang i like that color lighting scheme of the W hotel. Dallas gets all the fancy lighting in their downtown and buildings. All Houston gets is ugly year-round Christmas lights. on their buildings Does the new Reliant Energy Plaza building on Main Street still have its multi-colored light show? If so, it does add a lot of color and character to the Houston skyline. Although, from my recollection, it is predominantly visible from the south and east - not so much from the more prominent north and west. Even if it is not seen in the typical "postcard views", it is still a good precedent for a more vibrant skyline lighting scheme. As an aside, the lighting on the W Dallas was split between blue and green tonight -- Go Mavs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tierwestah Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Does the new Reliant Energy Plaza building on Main Street still have its multi-colored light show? If so, it does add a lot of color and character to the Houston skyline. Although, from my recollection, it is predominantly visible from the south and east - not so much from the more prominent north and west. Even if it is not seen in the typical "postcard views", it is still a good precedent for a more vibrant skyline lighting scheme. As an aside, the lighting on the W Dallas was split between blue and green tonight -- Go Mavs! Unfortunately, every good lighting technique that downtown Houston does, they eventually stop it. The Reliant building used to have the band of color changing lights for at least the last 2-3 years. The Relaint building is no longer lit at night. That is a shame because i too thought it really added color and character to Houston's skyline at night. I'm hoping that this is just a temporary but the last few times i've been downtown Houston at night, the building hasn't been lit at all. But they can keep the Christmas light looking buildings. I guess Christmas lights on buildings is Houston's emmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwcre8tive Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 (edited) The W Hotel opened on Saturday. There are some Dallas Morning News photos of the building here. There is a new interactive map of Victory here.Some comments on the W from local media?WHAT WE'VE LEARNED Edited June 27, 2006 by njjeppson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
713 To 214 Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=10973@ktvt.dayport.comhttp://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/V...73634&catId=104 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VelvetJ Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Very exciting stuff Dallas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuredeveloper85 Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 Well I live in Houston, but I love Dallas. My bestfriend who is a realtor in Dallas, started telling me about the Victory Project just a little over a year ago one day when were were talking about the New W Hotel. Well took a trip to Dallas last week for a job interview, and let me tell you as a upcoming architect, and developer I am so impressed with the area. My office is in downtown right on Main and Rusk in Houston, and downtown Houston has come so farover the past couple of year, but they have so much further to go. Dallas has a little more edge, and I just don't think the Victory and HP project will compare. Has anyone even seen renderings of the HP project?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 Just about everyone on this forum has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C2H Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 (edited) Well I live in Houston, but I love Dallas. My bestfriend who is a realtor in Dallas, started telling me about the Victory Project just a little over a year ago one day when were were talking about the New W Hotel. Well took a trip to Dallas last week for a job interview, and let me tell you as a upcoming architect, and developer I am so impressed with the area. My office is in downtown right on Main and Rusk in Houston, and downtown Houston has come so farover the past couple of year, but they have so much further to go. Dallas has a little more edge, and I just don't think the Victory and HP project will compare. Has anyone even seen renderings of the HP project?? It's not so much a matter of just comparing the Houston Pavilions project alone. But if you compare the Houston Pavilions project and the surrounding development such as The New Park, Park Tower, The Pavilion Residential Apartments, The New Toyota Center, and the retail spark the Pavilions will generate; the project developments are very similar. The only difference is Houston's entire east side development will not brand a name like Victory in Dallas. But they all will both have a similar impact, Houson's being a little more unorthodox. Dt Houston's development success will come from various projects which will all tie into eachother, while Victory is a larger project that was intended to be built as one, It will have a great impact as well. Hope that made sense Edited September 6, 2006 by C2H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slfunk Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 .....while Victory is a larger project that was intended to be built as one, which will have a great impact as well.It is expected to take about 10 years to build out Victory. It all started in 2004 with the W. They are currently in phase III. But is all new from ground up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 The Victory is very cool. Good for Big D. We Houstonians are looking forward to our Pavilions and new downtown park as well as a new highrise next to the park, of which there will be more. At least Dallas and Houston are growing and prospering. Think of Detroit and, yuck, ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 It is expected to take about 10 years to build out Victory. It all started in 2004 with the W. They are currently in phase III. But is all new from ground up.Actually, it all started in 1999 with the American Airlines Center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Then why would they make the AA Center look like that. It looks real out of place with Victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spades Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 (edited) Then why would they make the AA Center look like that. It looks real out of place with Victory.I think it would look great instead of making the surroundings look like disneyland and make it seem boring around it. A complete contrast is what I like between the AAC and the rest of the park. But yes, it did start in 1999 with the arena. Edited September 8, 2006 by Spades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Nah, the AA Center looked better alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slfunk Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Actually, it all started in 1999 with the American Airlines Center.Well the previous plan started in 99 with Palladium (New York Group) as the group developing the project in a partnership with Hillwood (Dallas Company). Then after 9-11 and the fall of the economy; things went quiet for a while. The previous plan was to have a series of low-midrise buildings designed in the similar in the AAC, but obviously that died. The current plan headed only by Hillwood now after the group from NY dropped out has a different outlook and was kicked off with the ground breaking of the W in 2004. They are currently going for a higher density development. The buildings will include midrise and highrise. Each building is being designed by a different architect. A completly different approach then before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasStar Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Actually, the AAC did not open until late summer 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Actually, the AAC did not open until late summer 2001.Yes, we know that. But they started construction in 1999. Much like the W, which did not open until earlier this year, but started construction in 2004 (hence the initial statement that started this discussion re: the W kicking things off in 2004.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spades Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Nah, the AA Center looked better alone.Agree to disagree, I guess. While the AAC is a great arena. I like the contrast from the different buildings surrounding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasStar Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 (edited) Since this was intended as a Houston Pavilions/Dallas Victory comparison thread it seems the best place to ask one question that has occurred to me:While Victory is surging forward with newly-completed components, climbing tower cranes, and more ground breakings in coming weeks. Where is Pavilions? Have they broken ground? Have they finalized the design? Or are we still comparing steel and concrete to smoke?No negativity intended, mind you. This could be a great project for Houston. Just curious. Edited October 3, 2006 by TexasStar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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