Slick Vik Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Americans are boarding public buses, trains and subways in greater numbers than any time since the suburbs began booming.Nearly 10.7 billion trips in 2013, to be precise — the highest total since 1956, according to ridership data reported by transit systems nationally and released Monday by the American Public Transportation Association. Houston, which has been more notable for its sprawl than its public transportation offerings, had a large ridership gain. So did Seattle, Miami, Denver and San Diego. The New York area's behemoth transit network saw the greatest gain, accounting for one in three trips nationally.http://www.khou.com/news/local/Houston-among-top-cities-in-public-transportation-ridership-growth-249270451.html Food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Guessed you missed the chronicle article 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Houston's numbers broken down by modeLight rail - (0.22)%Bus - +3.44%Demand response - +5.62%I believe that Demand response refers to Park and Ride, but it isn't directly stated as such.http://www.apta.com/resources/statistics/Documents/2013-q4-ridership-APTA.pdf Edited March 11, 2014 by livincinco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Houston's numbers broken down by modeLight rail - (0.22)%Bus - +3.44%Demand response - +5.62%I believe that Demand response refers to Park and Ride, but it isn't directly stated as such.http://www.apta.com/resources/statistics/Documents/2013-q4-ridership-APTA.pdf Wouldn't Demand Response (DR) be referring to MetroLift? I don't think APTA measures Park and Rides, at least not in this report. If they did, I'd assume the total volume would be much greater than 6,000 boardings (vehicle entries) per day. That makes more sense as a MetroLift number to me. I could be wrong though. It's especially heartening to see some significant ridership growth in bus boardings. As a bus rider, I can attest that my routes are becoming busier by the day. People are starting to seek out transit alternatives, and that is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Wouldn't Demand Response (DR) be referring to MetroLift? I don't think APTA measures Park and Rides, at least not in this report. If they did, I'd assume the total volume would be much greater than 6,000 boardings (vehicle entries) per day. That makes more sense as a MetroLift number to me. I could be wrong though. I think you're right, the APTA defines demand response as "Non-fixed-route service utilizing vans or buses with passengers boarding and alighting at pre-arranged times at any location within the system's service area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 As I noted on my blog, a few interesting things to note... 1) Houston was the only major city in Texas to have an increase in ridership in 2013. Dallas, San Antonio and Austin all saw declines, while El Paso was basically flat. 2) Houston's growth in bus ridership was second fastest in the nation. Only Washington DC's bus usage grew at a faster rate. http://texasleftist.blogspot.com/2014/03/transit-ridership-is-houston.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Has the effort to reshift metros focus from rail to the bus network again started yet? If so, looks like we're seeing positive results. If not, that's pretty cool that ridership increased that much without assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfastx Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Has the effort to reshift metros focus from rail to the bus network again started yet? If so, looks like we're seeing positive results. If not, that's pretty cool that ridership increased that much without assistance. No, the first new routes are going to start sometime this spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 This is irrelevant without knowing comparative numbers. I mean, if ridership of metro rose 4% last year, but trips via cars increased by 10% that would kind of make the rise for metro a bit shallower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totheskies Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) This is irrelevant without knowing comparative numbers. I mean, if ridership of metro rose 4% last year, but trips via cars increased by 10% that would kind of make the rise for metro a bit shallower. Per the APTA press release, vehicle miles traveled increased by 0.3 percent, while public transit increased by 1.1 percent. http://www.apta.com/mediacenter/pressreleases/2014/Pages/140310_Ridership.aspx Edited March 17, 2014 by totheskies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Per the APTA press release, vehicle miles traveled increased by 0.3 percent, while public transit increased by 1.1 percent. http://www.apta.com/mediacenter/pressreleases/2014/Pages/140310_Ridership.aspx As a point of reference, population increased by 0.75% nationally last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Thanks for the info, that makes the data much more interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky-guy Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 As a point of reference, population increased by 0.75% nationally last year.~3 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesL Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 No, the first new routes are going to start sometime this spring. Where in the world did you hear that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 Where in the world did you hear that?I've heard 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfastx Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) Where in the world did you hear that? I was told that by someone working on the project, but that was a few months ago so plans may have changed since then. Edited March 21, 2014 by mfastx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 (For the Chicago Transit Authority, an average of 918,709 people ride the bus each day, while 759,087 take the city’s elevated trains and subways. For New York’s Metropolitan Transit Authority, 5.5 million ride the subway on the average weekday, while 2.2 million ride the bus.Nationwide, there were 5.3 billion trips taken on buses in 2013 compared with 4.8 billion trips on rail, according to the American Public Transportation Association.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 From The Washington Posthttp://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/use-of-public-transit-isnt-surging/2014/03/20/0b44e522-b03b-11e3-95e8-39bef8e9a48b_story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 From The Washington Posthttp://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/use-of-public-transit-isnt-surging/2014/03/20/0b44e522-b03b-11e3-95e8-39bef8e9a48b_story.htmlSo you agree with congestion pricing, charging for parking, and raising car insurance premiums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 So you agree with congestion pricing, charging for parking, and raising car insurance premiums?I posted an article that I thought was interesting. That does not mean that I agree with everything in the article. I think that congestion pricing is interesting, but don't have a firm opinion on it yet, because I really haven't studied the impacts. There's plenty of charging for parking that occurs and I'm not really a proponent of mandatory parking requirements, but I recognize that government has the right to impose those kind of regulations because of potential consequence. Car insurance premiums are already handled just fine by the market, there's no reason for interference.To summarize, I have no problem with costs being fairly distributed, but I do have a problem with artificially setting prices to drive a desired behavior change. And no - the "costs of sprawl" should not be covered in the cost of cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 I posted an article that I thought was interesting. That does not mean that I agree with everything in the article. I think that congestion pricing is interesting, but don't have a firm opinion on it yet, because I really haven't studied the impacts. There's plenty of charging for parking that occurs and I'm not really a proponent of mandatory parking requirements, but I recognize that government has the right to impose those kind of regulations because of potential consequence. Car insurance premiums are already handled just fine by the market, there's no reason for interference.To summarize, I have no problem with costs being fairly distributed, but I do have a problem with artificially setting prices to drive a desired behavior change. And no - the "costs of sprawl" should not be covered in the cost of cars.If the behavior change clears congestion on the roads it's worthwhile. And yes the costs of sprawl should be covered in the cost of cars and everything associated with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 If the behavior change clears congestion on the roads it's worthwhile. And yes the costs of sprawl should be covered in the cost of cars and everything associated with them. Cars don't drive sprawl. A desire to live in an affordable house in a nice neighborhood drives development outward. You may like living in a fifth floor cold water walkup, but the rest of us prefer single family homes with a yard and a garage for our stuff. Besides, other than the primary wage earner, I bet the vast majority of residents in the new areas seldom leave the 5 mile radius around their home, so they aren't really contributing to congestion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 If the behavior change clears congestion on the roads it's worthwhile. And yes the costs of sprawl should be covered in the cost of cars and everything associated with them.Actually, density drives congestion far worse than sprawl does. If you look at the list of cities with the worst congestion, it's the most dense ones that are suffering the worst. Not saying that there aren't downsides to sprawl, but congestion is a result of having too many people, not sprawl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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