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Houston19514

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IAH:  21 foreign flag/24 total carriers with international service

DFW:  13 foreign flag (3 seasonal only)/16 total carriers with international service

 

IAH:

1.  Aeromexico
2.  Air Canada
3.  Air China
4.  Air France

5.  ANA

6.  Avianca
7.  British Airways
8.  Emirates
9.  EVA Air
10. Interjet
11. KLM
12. Korean Air
13. Lufthansa
14. Qatar Airways
15. Scandinavian Airlines
16. Singapore Airlines

17. SonAir *

18. Turkish Airlines
19. VivaAerobus

20. Volaris

21. WestJet  (Hat tip to Houstontexasjack)

22. Spirit

23. Sunwing (Seaonal)  (Hat tip to Asubrt)
24. United

 

* SonAir is charter only

 

DFW:

1.   Aeromexico

2.   Air Canada

3.   Avianca

4.   British Airways

5.   Cayman Airways (seasonal only and even then only once-weekly)

6.   Emirates

7.   Etihad

8.  KLM (sesaonal only)

9.   Korean

10. Lufthansa

11. Qatar

12. Westjet (seasonal only)

13. VivaAerobus (starting 2015)

14. American

11. Qatar

12. Westjet (seasonal only)

13. VivaAerobus (starting 2015)

14. American

15. Spirit

16. Sun Country (4 x per week)

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jackie21love

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it is meaningless to compare how many international carriers fly to these two airport. For example I don't think their is any difference between 2 UA to Tokyo and 1 UA + 1 ANA. Yes you may argue saying codeshare may bring more passengers, but from airport perspective it is not making too much difference. What we should see is AA is definitely placing more weights on DFW comparing to UA on IAH. They added Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong three destination within one year. But what UA has done in the past few years? They simply cut off plan of Auckland and Shanghai due to Southwest planning international service in Hobby. DFW also have Qantas serving Australia, which makes a huge difference. AA also flies to 2 destinations from DFW to Hawaii. I am pleased we are going to build new terminal D, but IAH footprint is so awkward to make any future expansion comparing with DFW.

 

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it is meaningless to compare how many international carriers fly to these two airport. For example I don't think their is any difference between 2 UA to Tokyo and 1 UA + 1 ANA. Yes you may argue saying codeshare may bring more passengers, but from airport perspective it is not making too much difference. What we should see is AA is definitely placing more weights on DFW comparing to UA on IAH. They added Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong three destination within one year. But what UA has done in the past few years? They simply cut off plan of Auckland and Shanghai due to Southwest planning international service in Hobby. DFW also have Qantas serving Australia, which makes a huge difference. AA also flies to 2 destinations from DFW to Hawaii. I am pleased we are going to build new terminal D, but IAH footprint is so awkward to make any future expansion comparing with DFW.

 

And Chicago O'Hare's footprint is not? They've got runways pointed in every direction, crossing each other. It's a mess.

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I believe the decision not to fly AKL to IAH is there is no that much of a market.  Has nothing to due with Hobby expansion.  Houston MSA is larger then the whole country of New Zealand.  When United started flying from LAX to Melbourne with the 787-900 Virgin Australia stop there service. Quantas is using a Airbus 380.  The United flight has a load factor of 80%.  Quantas cannot fill up the Airbus 380 so they are losing money on that route.  United received another 787-900 wonder where that will fly.  They are starting to fly the 787-800 to South America.  United will get 10 787-900 this year all based in IAH.  Hopefully more international non stops fro Houston.    

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Houston19514

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Corrected to remove duplicate listing of Qatar in DFW's listing  (Hat tip to Arch_757):

 

IAH:  21 foreign flag/24 total carriers with international service

DFW:  12 foreign flag (3 seasonal only)/15 total carriers with international service

 

IAH:

1.  Aeromexico
2.  Air Canada
3.  Air China
4.  Air France

5.  ANA

6.  Avianca
7.  British Airways
8.  Emirates
9.  EVA Air
10. Interjet
11. KLM
12. Korean Air
13. Lufthansa
14. Qatar Airways
15. Scandinavian Airlines
16. Singapore Airlines

17. SonAir *

18. Turkish Airlines
19. VivaAerobus

20. Volaris

21. WestJet  (Hat tip to Houstontexasjack)

22. Spirit

23. Sunwing (Seaonal)  (Hat tip to Asubrt)
24. United

 

* SonAir is charter only

 

DFW:

1.   Aeromexico

2.   Air Canada

3.   Avianca

4.   British Airways

5.   Cayman Airways (seasonal only and even then only once-weekly)

6.   Emirates

7.   Etihad

8.  KLM (sesaonal only)

9.   Korean

10. Lufthansa

11. Qatar

12. Westjet (seasonal only)

13. VivaAerobus (starting 2015)

14. American

11. Westjet (seasonal only)

12. VivaAerobus (starting 2015)

13. American

14. Spirit

15. Sun Country (4 x per week)

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Houston19514

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Another correction.  I don't know how I keep duplicating parts of the DFW list and dropping airlines, but here's another attempt:

 

IAH:  21 foreign flag/24 total carriers with international service

DFW:  13 foreign flag (3 seasonal only)/16 total carriers with international service

 

IAH:

1.  Aeromexico
2.  Air Canada
3.  Air China
4.  Air France

5.  ANA

6.  Avianca
7.  British Airways
8.  Emirates
9.  EVA Air
10. Interjet
11. KLM
12. Korean Air
13. Lufthansa
14. Qatar Airways
15. Scandinavian Airlines
16. Singapore Airlines

17. SonAir *

18. Turkish Airlines
19. VivaAerobus

20. Volaris

21. WestJet  (Hat tip to Houstontexasjack)

22. Spirit

23. Sunwing (Seaonal)  (Hat tip to Asubrt)
24. United

 

* SonAir is charter only

 

DFW:

1.   Aeromexico

2.   Air Canada

3.   Avianca

4.   British Airways

5.   Cayman Airways (seasonal only and even then only once-weekly)

6.   Emirates

7.   Etihad

8.  KLM (sesaonal only)

9.   Korean

10. Lufthansa

11. Qatar

12. Volaris

13. Westjet (seasonal only)

14. VivaAerobus (starting 2015)

15. American

16. Spirit

17. Sun Country (4 x per week)

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Another correction.  I don't know how I keep duplicating parts of the DFW list and dropping airlines, but here's another attempt:

 

IAH:  21 foreign flag/24 total carriers with international service

DFW:  13 foreign flag (3 seasonal only)/16 total carriers with international service

 

IAH:

1.  Aeromexico

2.  Air Canada

3.  Air China

4.  Air France

5.  ANA

6.  Avianca

7.  British Airways

8.  Emirates

9.  EVA Air

10. Interjet

11. KLM

12. Korean Air

13. Lufthansa

14. Qatar Airways

15. Scandinavian Airlines

16. Singapore Airlines

17. SonAir *

18. Turkish Airlines

19. VivaAerobus

20. Volaris

21. WestJet  (Hat tip to Houstontexasjack)

22. Spirit

23. Sunwing (Seaonal)  (Hat tip to Asubrt)

24. United

 

* SonAir is charter only

 

DFW:

1.   Aeromexico

2.   Air Canada

3.   Avianca

4.   British Airways

5.   Cayman Airways (seasonal only and even then only once-weekly)

6.   Emirates

7.   Etihad

8.  KLM (sesaonal only)

9.   Korean

10. Lufthansa

11. Qatar

12. Volaris

13. Westjet (seasonal only)

14. VivaAerobus (starting 2015)

15. American

16. Spirit

17. Sun Country (4 x per week)

Number of Passenger Airlines at DFW according their website today:

24

Domestic: 11

Foreign Flag: 13         https://www.dfwairport.com/visitor/P1_009559.php

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Houston19514

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Number of Passenger Airlines at DFW according their website today:

24

Domestic: 11

Foreign Flag: 13         https://www.dfwairport.com/visitor/P1_009559.php

 

A few notes:

 

The list to which you responded is not a listing of the number of passenger airlines at the two airports but is a listing of the passenger airliners offering international service.  If we're going to post the total number of passenger airlines serving the airports in an IAH vs. DFW thread, it probably makes sense to include the numbers for both airports.

 

I'll even include a listing.

 

IAH:  28 passenger airlines

Domestic:  7 Domestic

1.  Alaska Airlines

2.  American Airlines

3.  Delta

4.  Frontier

5.  Spirit

6.  Sunwing (Seaonal)  (Hat tip to Asubrt)

7.  United

 

Foreign Flag:  21 foreign flag

1.  Aeromexico

2.  Air Canada

3.  Air China

4.  Air France

5.  ANA

6.  Avianca

7.  British Airways

8.  Emirates

9.  EVA Air

10. Interjet

11. KLM

12. Korean Air

13. Lufthansa

14. Qatar Airways

15. Scandinavian Airlines

16. Singapore Airlines

17. SonAir *

18. Turkish Airlines

19. VivaAerobus

20. Volaris

21. WestJet  (Hat tip to Houstontexasjack)

 

* SonAir is charter only

 

DFW:  23 total passenger airlines (sorry, I'm not going to count either USAirways or American Eagle, as the listing on DFW's website does. If we count service by affiliated commuter carriers and carriers-in-the-process-merging, we would add at least two additional carriers to IAH's list as well)

 

Domestic:  8 domestic carriers

1.  Alaska Airlines

2.  American

3.  Delta

4.  Frontier

5.  JetBlue

6.  Spirit

7.  Sun Country

8.  United

 

Foreign Flag:  15 foreign flag carriers

1.   Aeromexico

2.   Air Canada

3.   Avianca

4.   British Airways

5.   Cayman Airways (seasonal only and even then only once-weekly)

6.   Emirates

7.   Etihad

8.  KLM (sesaonal only)

9.   Korean

10. Lufthansa

11.  Qantas

12.  Qatar

13. Volaris

14. Westjet (seasonal only)

15. VivaAerobus (starting 2015)

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Houston19514

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Another correction on the listing of airlines with international service: 

 

IAH:  21 foreign flag/24 total carriers with international service

DFW:  15 foreign flag (3 seasonal only)/18 total carriers with international service

 

IAH:

1.  Aeromexico
2.  Air Canada
3.  Air China
4.  Air France

5.  ANA

6.  Avianca
7.  British Airways
8.  Emirates
9.  EVA Air
10. Interjet
11. KLM
12. Korean Air
13. Lufthansa
14. Qatar Airways
15. Scandinavian Airlines
16. Singapore Airlines

17. SonAir *

18. Turkish Airlines
19. VivaAerobus

20. Volaris

21. WestJet  (Hat tip to Houstontexasjack)

22. Spirit

23. Sunwing (Seaonal)  (Hat tip to Asubrt)
24. United

 

* SonAir is charter only

 

DFW:

1.   Aeromexico

2.   Air Canada

3.   Avianca

4.   British Airways

5.   Cayman Airways (seasonal only and even then only twice-weekly)

6.   Emirates

7.   Etihad

8.  KLM (sesaonal only)

9.   Korean

10. Lufthansa

11. Qantas

12. Qatar

13. Volaris

14. Westjet (seasonal only)

15. VivaAerobus (starting 2015)

16. American

17. Spirit

18. Sun Country (4 x per week)

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Houston19514

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Another update of the listing of airlines with international service: 

 

IAH:  22 foreign flag/25 total carriers with international service

DFW:  15 foreign flag (3 seasonal only)/18 total carriers with international service

 

IAH:

1.  Aeromexico
2.  Air Canada
3.  Air China
4.  Air France

5.  Air New Zealand (Starting late 2015)

6.  ANA

7.  Avianca
8.  British Airways
9.  Emirates
10.  EVA Air
11. Interjet
12. KLM
13. Korean Air
14. Lufthansa
15. Qatar Airways
16. Scandinavian Airlines
17. Singapore Airlines

18. SonAir *

19. Turkish Airlines
20. VivaAerobus

21. Volaris

22. WestJet  (Hat tip to Houstontexasjack)

23. Spirit

24. Sunwing (Seaonal)  (Hat tip to Asubrt)
25. United

 

* SonAir is charter only

 

DFW:

1.   Aeromexico

2.   Air Canada

3.   Avianca

4.   British Airways

5.   Cayman Airways (seasonal only and even then only twice-weekly)

6.   Emirates

7.   Etihad

8.  KLM (sesaonal only)

9.   Korean

10. Lufthansa

11. Qantas

12. Qatar

13. Volaris

14. Westjet (seasonal only)

15. VivaAerobus (starting 2015)

16. American

17. Spirit

18. Sun Country (4 x per week)

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How do you count 21 flag carriers??? 

 

Aeromexico, Air Canada, Air China, Air France, Air New Zealand, ANA, Avianca, British Airways, Emirates, KLM, Korean Air, Lufthansa, Qatar Airways, Scandinavian Airlines, Singapore Airlines, Turkish Airlines count for flag carriers, total at 15. All others like EVA, Interjet, Volaris, West Jet and others are clearly not. Though EVA has long haul flight, but Taiwan's flag carrier is China Airlines, just like Asiana vs Korean Air, China Estern vs Air China.

 

But anyway, 15 is a number we should be proud of. 

 

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How do you count 21 flag carriers??? 

 

Aeromexico, Air Canada, Air China, Air France, Air New Zealand, ANA, Avianca, British Airways, Emirates, KLM, Korean Air, Lufthansa, Qatar Airways, Scandinavian Airlines, Singapore Airlines, Turkish Airlines count for flag carriers, total at 15. All others like EVA, Interjet, Volaris, West Jet and others are clearly not. Though EVA has long haul flight, but Taiwan's flag carrier is China Airlines, just like Asiana vs Korean Air, China Estern vs Air China.

 

But anyway, 15 is a number we should be proud of. 

 

I count 21 (actually now 22) foreign flag carriers because there will be 21 (now 22) foreign flag carriers serving George Bush Intercontinental Airport. The term "foreign flag carrier" does not designate state-owned carriers. It is any air carrier other than a US flag air carrier.

 

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Can somebody update wikipedia on the arrival of Air New Zealand? I tried to update it but for some reason IAH is a protected page and can only be updated by certain people. I'm obviously not one of those people or I would have done it.

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The Wikipedia police are Nazis and won't let you update it if there's not an exact starting date. People tried about 5 times the other day when it was announced and they kept erasing it and leaving more and more angry comments in the page history until they locked the page. Same thing happened with Southwest when they announced the international destinations from

Hobby to start in October before they officially announced the 15th. It's a stupid rule but they're incredibly strict about it. Those people take themselves way too seriously.

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The Wikipedia police are Nazis and won't let you update it if there's not an exact starting date. People tried about 5 times the other day when it was announced and they kept erasing it and leaving more and more angry comments in the page history until they locked the page. Same thing happened with Southwest when they announced the international destinations from

Hobby to start in October before they officially announced the 15th. It's a stupid rule but they're incredibly strict about it. Those people take themselves way too seriously.

 

I am OK to get it protected if there is someone to organize the page properly. The history part is just too messy...

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Quite a difference 4 years makes. IAH is still larger than DFW in terms of international passengers, but fortunes have changed somewhat in that DFW seems to have been more successful recently at landing new international service (albeit mostly due to AA).  Both airports also lost routes.

 

AA just announced seasonal Auckland service yesterday, evening out each airport's service to the South Pacific. Tel Aviv was announced a few months ago, and AA also announced they were going twice daily to Rome for a few weeks in the summer.

 

This is my attempt to update the current international long-haul tally from earlier posts. I'm not certain of the seasons or frequency of all of these.

 

Europe

 

DFW:  Amsterdam (AA), Paris (AA 2x/day, AF), London (AA 3x, BA), Frankfurt (AA, LH), Munich (AA), Madrid (AA 2x), Dublin (AA), Rome (AA 2x)

lost: Reykjavik

 

IAH: Amsterdam (KL, UA), Paris (AF), London (UA 2x, BA 2x), Frankfurt (UA, LH), Munich (UA), Manchester (SQ)

lost: Moscow, Stavanger

 

Middle East/Africa

 

DFW: Dubai (EK), Doha (QR), Tel Aviv (AA)

lost: Abu Dhabi

 

IAH: Dubai (EK), Doha (QR), Istanbul (UA), Lome/Addis Ababa (Ethiopian)

lost: Lagos, Luanda

 

Asia/South Pacific

 

DFW: Tokyo (AA 2X, JL), Beijing (AA), Seoul (AA, KE), Shanghai (AA), Hong Kong (AA), Sydney (QF), Auckland (NZ)

 

IAH: Tokyo (UA, NH), Beijing (CA), Singapore (SQ via Manchester), Taipei (EVA), Sydney (UA), Auckland (NZ)

lost: Seoul

 

South America:

 

DFW: Lima, Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, Santiago (all AA)

lost: Rio

 

IAH: Lima, Sao Paulo, Rio, Buenos Aires, Santiago (all UA)

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