Tejo Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 In the 1960's my dad said Houston had a unique dialing code (like a bunch of letters instead of numbers) can someone give me any more info on what that was like. I'm REALLY curious! He found an old menu from "Juniors" and when the Astrodome opened which had these "letters" instead of numbers. I hope someone knows what I'm talking about. Its hard to explain. :-/When I started school in the late 60's, I remember my mother drumming into my head our telephone number- RE3- 2755. It wasn't until later that I discovered that RE was/is Republic. I became fascinated with the exchanges after that. One exchange that I always sounded cool to me was/is Satsuma- which I believe is the Jersey Village/Northwest Houston area. I fact the phone books of the 70's contained a map which divided the area into districts and provided each district's name- Central, Republic, Satsuma- so on.Cool topic- thanks for the memories! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashikaga Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 interesting I found a website that had a map of the U.S. when area codes started back in 1947. At that time, the entire state of Texas had four area codes: 713, 214, 512, & 915. It explained that in a state that had more than one area code, the second digit was 1. In states that had only one area code, the second digit was 0. I think that I can safely say that Texas now has, at the very least, ten area codes. They say that more area codes are needed because prefixes become exhausted due to the proliferation of not just regular telephones, but of cell phones, pagers, and fax machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 As an aside, I recall watching cartoons as a child where anytime they mentioned a phone number it was KL5-something ("Klondike 5"). I guess that is the equivalent to today's "555" prefix, a generic prefix that perhaps never existed in real life.they did that on the first few seasons of the simpsons. They were putting up flyers and the simpsons phone number was KL5-8345 or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashikaga Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 they did that on the first few seasons of the simpsons. They were putting up flyers and the simpsons phone number was KL5-8345 or something like that.The only letter/word prefix that I remember from back in the "old" days of Houston is "NA" which stood for NATIONAL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashikaga Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 On "Hee-Haw," I think that most people will remember "Junior Sample's Used Cars." He would always say: "The number to call is BR-549."Yes, many things about telephone calls have changed. You no longer have to wait until certain times of the day in order to be charged less for a long distance call. On most cell phones, you can call almost anywhere. And phone companies have a flat monthy fee to call anywhere, anytime. It's nothing now to call from Houston to New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I grew up in the HI exchange. HIGHLAND, I guess. Our number was HI2-9839, later becoming known as 442 exchange on the northside of Houston. My cousins lived near Northline Mall and had OX5-0930. OXFORD exchange.Just taking inventory of phone numbers just for my immediate family, we have: 1) Home number for the wife & I.2) Home Fax number.3) My cell4) Wife cell5) Teenagers home number6) Daughters cell7) Sons cell8) Toll free Home numberNo wonder we are adding more and more area codes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilioScotia Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I grew up in the HI exchange. HIGHLAND, I guess. Our number was HI2-9839, later becoming known as 442 exchange on the northside of Houston. My cousins lived near Northline Mall and had OX5-0930. OXFORD exchange.Just taking inventory of phone numbers just for my immediate family, we have: 1) Home number for the wife & I.2) Home Fax number.3) My cell4) Wife cell5) Teenagers home number6) Daughters cell7) Sons cell8) Toll free Home numberNo wonder we are adding more and more area codes.Actually, HI stood for Hillcrest. In the days of word-prefixes on phone numbers, you could tell at a glance what part of town a person lived in. For example, MOhawk numbers were in Bellaire. Actually, they still are, because the letters "MO" are "66" on the dial. Even today many numerical prefixes in the 713 area code tell me where a phone number lives, because at one time, ALL Houston phone numbers were 713. This is hardly a complete list, but here some others, with the current numeric prefixes listed first, 22 - CApital, and it was the downtown Houston area. 52 - JAckson, in the Montrose area62 - NAtional, on the west side. 64 - MIssion, on the southeast side. 92 - WAlnut, on the east end. 46 - HOmestead, on the west side north of Buffalo Bayou and in Spring Branch69 - OXford, on the north side. 45 - GLendale, in east Harris County in the Jacinto City Channelview area47 - GReenwood, in Pasadena, Deer Park and La Porte. Originally, this was GRand, but it was changed to GReenwood in the mid 50s. Why? 48 - HUdson, in South Houston, and later the Clear Lake Area as NASA moved in. This was changed to HUnter in the 1970s. Again, I ask why? This all went the way of the Dodo bird when the population grew and they needed more phone numbers, and they decided they could no longer use numbers that conformed to the first two letters of a familiar word. So that's why we now have "numbers only" phone numbers. And as Bubba can testify, the area codes fill up so rapidly they've been forced to create more. Ah yes. Progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 What was infuriating (to me) was when 281 was first introduced, people were SOOOOOO outraged at the possibility of dialing 10 numbers just to call their neighbors. The city argued that the numbers could last longer if people with new phones went 281 as new service was granted. The people whined about it and they forced people outside of the beltway to be 281. A number of years later, when 832 was introduced, all that went to hell and had to dial the 10 numbers anyway. It was one of those instances when, even at 18 yrs old (I think) I was just yelling "get over it!" at the TV on how people simply didn't like change. I wonder when we're going to get a new Area code since bubba is using up all the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilioScotia Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 What was infuriating (to me) was when 281 was first introduced, people were SOOOOOO outraged at the possibility of dialing 10 numbers just to call their neighbors.The city argued that the numbers could last longer if people with new phones went 281 as new service was granted. The people whined about it and they forced people outside of the beltway to be 281. A number of years later, when 832 was introduced, all that went to hell and had to dial the 10 numbers anyway. It was one of those instances when, even at 18 yrs old (I think) I was just yelling "get over it!" at the TV on how people simply didn't like change. I wonder when we're going to get a new Area code since bubba is using up all the numbers. We're all Bubbas. There was a time when most of us had only one phone number. ONE!! Now, most people have several, and many have more than several. The main landline, at least one secondary landline for children, another for computer DSL hookup, and a cell phone number for every member of the family. It's not unusual for a typical family with two children to have as many as 7 or 8 phone numbers. Brave New World is here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 The WSJ ran an article not long ago about how the number of landlines was actually starting to decrease, due to the near-demise of fax machines, popularity of VOIP, and because a lot of people, especially young people, have abandoned traditional landline service altogether. It's hard to believe people were upset over 10-digit numbers, since you have to dial them on a mobile anyway. I like the cell phone concept where a phone number goes with a person, not a geographic location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_Sharpstown Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 As I understand it...the 2 letter prefix in an old phone number was the name of the exchange (or Central Office) that your phone service would connect through to reach the rest of the Bell system. If, for example, you had "PR" for Preston...your exchange was likely on Preston street. I am fairly sure the MO (Mohawk) is on Mohawk street in Bellaire. Most central offices are hard to spot as they are very plain buildings and they have few if any windows or signs. As for 10 digit dialing....yes..it is a fact of the times. I believe it was 5 digits in the 50's, 6 digits in the 60's, and 7 digits in the 70's and beyond. The Bell system was constantly implimenting a "geographic" split of existing area codes to accomidate growth. This always meant that many existing...and many long established numbers, would have to change. As the 90's came, SBC decided to impliment an "overlay" pattern where multiple area codes would inhabit the same geographic territories.....your next door neighbor could be in a different area code. One day...we may even have to go to a 15 digit numbering system...if growth continues. As seen on another website...Houston had 27,000 telephone customers in 1920. We have a few more than that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashikaga Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 What was infuriating (to me) was when 281 was first introduced, people were SOOOOOO outraged at the possibility of dialing 10 numbers just to call their neighbors.The city argued that the numbers could last longer if people with new phones went 281 as new service was granted. The people whined about it and they forced people outside of the beltway to be 281. A number of years later, when 832 was introduced, all that went to hell and had to dial the 10 numbers anyway. It was one of those instances when, even at 18 yrs old (I think) I was just yelling "get over it!" at the TV on how people simply didn't like change. I wonder when we're going to get a new Area code since bubba is using up all the numbers. Oh, yes. I remember when the whole state of Texas had about five area codes. 713 encompassed not just Houston, but way over here to where I live in Bridge City, as far north as Jasper, and as far west as halfway between Houston and San Antonio. In 1983 my area code changed to 409. I'm surprised that it hasn't been broken up with a new one added. But, that could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absinthe_1900 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Who remembers this other Capital Number: CA4-6868?How about another number the same place had: W A T C H E M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashikaga Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 My parents owned a house in Breckenridge, Colorado until 1994 and way back in the early 80's I remember only having to dial the 4 numbers. Every phone is the city had the prefix 453. As the town grew I assume this all changed. I just remember dialing the four digits. Interesting.Yes, I remember a small town that my aunt and uncle lived in was the same way. If the whole town had the same prefix, you would dial only the last four numbers. I live in Bridge City, Texas. From the 1940s until the late 1980s, 735 was the only prefix. Now the town has five, but the population hasn't increased. It's the proliferation of cell phones, fax machines and pagers which has caused the number of prefixes to increase fivefold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rand Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 In the 1960's my dad said Houston had a unique dialing code (like a bunch of letters instead of numbers) can someone give me any more info on what that was like. I'm REALLY curious! He found an old menu from "Juniors" and when the Astrodome opened which had these "letters" instead of numbers. I hope someone knows what I'm talking about. Its hard to explain. :-/The letters are still there except they were replaced with numbers.For example; 525 0000 is JA5 0000 JA is the Jackson exchange in Montrose. 862 0000 is UN2 0000 UN is the Underwood exchange in the Heights 222 0000 is CA2 0000 CA is the Capital in downtown. The exchange buildings are still there and I think they still have their old names on them.Hope that helps. There was also a Mowhawk exchange. Maybe google for old houston telephone exchanges.The exchanges were and are large telephone buildings with all the switching equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashikaga Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 The letters are still there except they were replaced with numbers.For example; 525 0000 is JA5 0000 JA is the Jackson exchange in Montrose. 862 0000 is UN2 0000 UN is the Underwood exchange in the Heights 222 0000 is CA2 0000 CA is the Capital in downtown. The exchange buildings are still there and I think they still have their old names on them.Hope that helps. There was also a Mowhawk exchange. Maybe google for old houston telephone exchanges.The exchanges were and are large telephone buildings with all the switching equipment.Yes, back then there was no Caller ID/Answering Machines/Voice Mail/Call Waiting, etc. If your phone rang, you had no choice but to answer it and hope that it wasn't a bill collector. If you called someone and you heard a busy signal, you had to hang up and try calling them again later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 My grandparents lived in West University and their phone number in the 40s was M 1156. By the time I was learning to use the phone (I'm 58) the number was MA 1156. Shortly after I learned, the phone company added another digit and the number was MA3-1156. We lived about three miles away (in Bellaire) and we also had the Madison exchange. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1976 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 This is hardly a complete list, but here some others, with the current numeric prefixes listed first, 22 - CApital, and it was the downtown Houston area. 52 - JAckson, in the Montrose area62 - NAtional, on the west side. 64 - MIssion, on the southeast side. 92 - WAlnut, on the east end. 46 - HOmestead, on the west side north of Buffalo Bayou and in Spring Branch69 - OXford, on the north side. 45 - GLendale, in east Harris County in the Jacinto City Channelview area47 - GReenwood, in Pasadena, Deer Park and La Porte. Originally, this was GRand, but it was changed to GReenwood in the mid 50s. Why? 48 - HUdson, in South Houston, and later the Clear Lake Area as NASA moved in. This was changed to HUnter in the 1970s. Again, I ask why?Here are some more from a 1930 directory:HadleyFairfaxLehighTaylorWaysideCapitolPark Place (?) (example: Park Place-23)Valentine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Timmy Chan's Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Yes, I remember a small town that my aunt and uncle lived in was the same way. If the whole town had the same prefix, you would dial only the last four numbers.I think Alpine, TX is still that way. I know for a fact it was like that 2 or 3 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Here are some more from a 1930 directory:and from 1955:CA - Capitol FA - FairfaxGL - GlendaleGR - GreenwoodHI - HickoryHI - HillcrestHO - HomesteadHU - HudsonJA - JacksonMA - MadisonME - MelroseMI - MissionMO - MohawkOL - OliveOR - OrchardOV - OverlandOX - OxfordUN - UnderwoodWA - Walnut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houwest Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 and from 1955:CA - Capitol FA - FairfaxGL - GlendaleGR - GreenwoodHI - HickoryHI - HillcrestHO - HomesteadHU - HudsonJA - JacksonMA - MadisonME - MelroseMI - MissionMO - MohawkOL - OliveOR - OrchardOV - OverlandOX - OxfordUN - UnderwoodWA - WalnutTwo more to add to the 1955 list - these were around in the mid '60's,SU- Sunset (now 78x-)RI - Riverside (now 74x) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestUNative Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I worked for "Ma Bell" for 4 years as a Service Representative from 1959-1963. We were amazed that the populace could not get straight the proper terminology. I read through all the posts here and finally a couple of people did indicate the right terms.Exchange - refers to City, not anything to do with numbersCentral Office - the actual place calls were routed through, indicated by Prefix followed by number.In West University, we started out with MAdison, segued to MOhawk. Our Central Office was located on the corner of Academy and Bellaire Blvd.We always had rotary dial heavy clunker phones in my childhood, but once we visited a relative in a small town in East Texas and to my shock their phone had no dial. Just a plain black face. Every call required you to pick up the receiver and tell an operator who you wanted to talk to. Podunk!I must say, I love being a Dinosaur. I have one telephone, one number for both telephone and DSL. Never had nor will have a blasted Cell Phone or its offshoots. At this point no caller id or bells and whistles and I do not seem to be suffering. My one concession is to a cordless phone, I do like to move around the house and go outside and not be hindered. We used to be on a short tether until we could get those 20 foot extension cords-always tangled, argh.What about WATTS lines? No one remember that? One company I worked for had them in 1965-66 and allowed employees to come in on Saturday and make all the long distance calls they wanted for free. When did 800 numbers first come into being? I simply do not recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilioScotia Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 (edited) We always had rotary dial heavy clunker phones in my childhood, but once we visited a relative in a small town in East Texas and to my shock their phone had no dial. Just a plain black face. Every call required you to pick up the receiver and tell an operator who you wanted to talk to. Podunk!Podunk? Well, you just insulted a few million people. Those of us who were raised in towns that were still using those old no-dial phones well into the 1950s. I have fond memories of our wall-mounted box with the ear-peace you had to hold to your ear, and the mouth-piece you had to practically yell into. We were on a party line, which meant about a dozen other houses on our road were sharing the same phone line. If we heard voices when we picked up, it meant someone else on our line was talking and I would have to wait till they got through before I could make my call. When I got my turn, I would turn the crank several times to ring the operator, who would ask "Number Please" and connect me to the number I wanted. My town was so small we had four digit phone numbers, and some people and businesses that had been there a long time had 3 digit numbers. Some even had 2 digits. Yes it was a very different world, but it was a much nicer time. Waiting for your turn to make a call taught us the importance of courtesy and respecting others' rights. Try that in today's world of instant gratification. As I said I have very fond memories of it. For you to refer to it as "Podunk" is elitist and ungracious. Edited September 20, 2006 by FilioScotia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 What about WATTS lines?What were WATTS lines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 (edited) WATS is wide area telephone service, including in-WATS and out-WATS Edited September 20, 2006 by sevfiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImTomTerrific Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 You're fast! And if I remember correctly, you could dial 222-71xx (anything for the last two numbers) and you would still get it - so in the days of the old rotary phones, I got in the habit of dialing 222-7111. I hadn't thought about that in YEARS! There also used to be a number that you could dial that would ring you back when you hung up...kind of a line test. It was fun to dial it and then walk away and let someone else answer a dead line. I grew up in Northshore and our phone exchange was Glendale. You could tell who'd lived there the longest by the number that followed the exchange. The oldest was GL3, then GL5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 When I was in high school - mid 60s - there was a number that I believe was called The Grapevine. When you called it, you could hear several people talking at once. What usually happened, was that you would give someone your number and they would call you to have a private conversation. I never gave out my number, but I did call someone else who gave me his number. We never did meet, though. I guess that was the first chat room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roym Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 I hadn't thought about that in YEARS! There also used to be a number that you could dial that would ring you back when you hung up...kind of a line test. It was fun to dial it and then walk away and let someone else answer a dead line. I grew up in Northshore and our phone exchange was Glendale. You could tell who'd lived there the longest by the number that followed the exchange. The oldest was GL3, then GL5.Yep, that was a "ringback" number... a test number. There was one I used to call - I think they were different based on the exchange. Don't remember it now...When I was in high school - mid 60s - there was a number that I believe was called The Grapevine. When you called it, you could hear several people talking at once. What usually happened, was that you would give someone your number and they would call you to have a private conversation. I never gave out my number, but I did call someone else who gave me his number. We never did meet, though. I guess that was the first chat room.They did have test lines called loop lines that you could dial into and talk to one or several other people depending on the line. I wonder if that's what it was. There used to be a number in 713 that was just an oscillating tone - I always wondered if that was one side of a loop line. Can't remember the number anymore.Old loop numbers for Houston (thanks textfiles.com!):AREA CODE: 713 XXX-1499,XXX-1799;XXX= 442, 960, 666, 664, 780, 667, 668, 489, 455,988, 524, 356, 351, 376, 447, 466, 342, 493, 492, 482, 441, 354, 339,324, 484, 487, 526, 686, 555, 466, 481, 781, 771, 458, 681, 682, 471,665, 997, 224, 341, 661, 976, 469, 462, 468, 759, 367, 977(713)486-1499/488-1799 = low high356-1799/1899 = low high491-1499/1799 = low high ©713-442-1499 713-442-1799 713-489-1499 713-489-1799713-447-1499 713-447-1799 713-354-1499 713-354-1799713-555-1499 713-555-1799 713-682-1499 713-976-1799713-960-1499 713-960-1799 713-455-1499 713-455-1799713-466-1499 713-466-1799 713-339-1499 713-339-1799713-471-1499 713-471-1799 713-469-1499 713-469-1799713-666-1499 713-666-1799 713-988-1499 713-988-1799713-342-1499 713-342-1799 713-324-1499 713-324-1799713-481-1499 713-481-1799 713-665-1499 713-665-1799713-462-1499 713-462-1799 713-664-1499 713-664-1799713-524-1499 713-524-1799 713-493-1499 713-493-1799713-484-1499 713-484-1799 713-781-1499 713-997-1799713-468-1499 713-468-1799 713-780-1499 713-780-1799713-356-1499 713-356-1799 713-492-1499 713-492-1799713-487-1499 713-487-1799 713-771-1499 713-771-1799713-224-1499 713-759-1799 713-667-1499 713-667-1799713-351-1499 713-351-1799 713-482-1499 713-482-1799713-526-1499 713-526-1799 713-458-1499 713-458-1799713-661-1499 713-661-1799 713-977-1499 713-977-1799I hadn't thought about that in YEARS! There also used to be a number that you could dial that would ring you back when you hung up...kind of a line test. It was fun to dial it and then walk away and let someone else answer a dead line. I grew up in Northshore and our phone exchange was Glendale. You could tell who'd lived there the longest by the number that followed the exchange. The oldest was GL3, then GL5.Hmm... apparently they still exist?713 234-xxxx Houston, TX 281 234-xxxx832 234-xxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilder Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 There also used to be a number that you could dial that would ring you back when you hung up...kind of a line test. It was fun to dial it and then walk away and let someone else answer a dead line.I remember that phone test line. We did that too! We would set it up for my mom to answer. There used to be a "robot line" too. You could call it and it would produce some really unique noises to that time during the 1970's. 455-5555 or something like that. Maybe it was one of the first fax lines or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marty Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 (edited) Does anybody remember Pac Mans number 322 and Froggers was 611 when you would dail them you would here a sound effect like a frog catching a fly or here Pac Man music. I never heard these two numbers in any advertisement. I wonder who or what i was calling. This was about 1982-83. I got these digits from my friends. Edited October 15, 2006 by Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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