White House War On Fox News

[Marksmu]

So - like the president or not - the White House war on Fox News is embarrassing, in my opinion, to this Country. It seems to me that the White House is trying to play Chicago style bullying politics into getting Fox News to come around to their agenda. Each and every time someone has spoken out against this White House Administration they get threatened or worse, they succumb to the request of the White House.

Whether or not you like Fox News, their news is not any more biased right than CNN or MSNBC is biased left - the only difference in these channels, is that the White House does not like FOX. The extremes that this White House is making to marginalize, or try to marginalize Fox seems to me to be an attempt to silence them. Fortunately, it is only making Fox stronger - but it is worrisome that the government is spending so much time and effort trying to silence the opposition. It is one thing to prove why the opposition is wrong, which is what a respectable organization would do when confronted with conflicting facts - its a whole nother thing to just attack them the way the White House is doing....not saying their facts are wrong, unable to contradict Fox when Fox backs up their attacks with facts.

The efforts to which this administration is going to silence those who disagree is quite concerning to me. And FWI I dont watch much cable news....When I do, I split the time evenly between Fox and CNN, because neither is reporting just the news. I watch CNN for the left view, and Fox for the right view. A person has to be smart enough to average the two to get somewhere near the truth.

Fox article I read this morning about the coverage: http://www.foxnews.c...ews-1925819282/

seems even the left leaning organizations are somewhat concerned about this type of bully politics.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/18/white-house-escalates-war-fox-news-1925819282/

[wernicke]

Fox News is a joke, and I don't see anything wrong with White House communications director Dunn pointing that out.

[west20th]

So - like the president or not - the White House war on Fox News is embarrassing, in my opinion, to this Country. It seems to me that the White House is trying to play Chicago style bullying politics into getting Fox News to come around to their agenda. Each and every time someone has spoken out against this White House Administration they get threatened or worse, they succumb to the request of the White House.

Whether or not you like Fox News, their news is not any more biased right than CNN or MSNBC is biased left - the only difference in these channels, is that the White House does not like FOX. The extremes that this White House is making to marginalize, or try to marginalize Fox seems to me to be an attempt to silence them. Fortunately, it is only making Fox stronger - but it is worrisome that the government is spending so much time and effort trying to silence the opposition. It is one thing to prove why the opposition is wrong, which is what a respectable organization would do when confronted with conflicting facts - its a whole nother thing to just attack them the way the White House is doing....not saying their facts are wrong, unable to contradict Fox when Fox backs up their attacks with facts.

The efforts to which this administration is going to silence those who disagree is quite concerning to me. And FWI I dont watch much cable news....When I do, I split the time evenly between Fox and CNN, because neither is reporting just the news. I watch CNN for the left view, and Fox for the right view. A person has to be smart enough to average the two to get somewhere near the truth.

Fox article I read this morning about the coverage: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/18/white-house-escalates-war-fox-news-1925819282/

seems even the left leaning organizations are somewhat concerned about this type of bully politics.

Fox is a joke IMO, they tend to back up their attacks with innuendo instead of facts, however the White house probably should just leave this alone. The only thing they are accomplishing is boosting Fox ratings.

[Highway6]

Fox news is slanted... no more or less than MSNBC... However they are both still recognized as a legitimate source of news by most of the country and it isn't the White House's job to change that.

When you've got CNN analysts like Donna Brazille and David Gergen, both that lean left, siding with FoxNews against the White House on this matter... you know the WhiteHouse has gone overboard. The administration is incredibly full of itself and this is going to backfire on them.

You shouldn't let your personal political slants cloud your judgment here... Look at the bigger picture.

Do you really want the next Republican president deciding that CNN and MSNBC aren't legitimate news sources and kicking them out of press briefings?

[barracuda]

I think this is a result of the poor quality of cable news and even some network news. Since the mainstream cable "news" networks are ranked on ratings and advertising revenue rather than accuracy and quality of programming, these partisan attack shows have become more important to them than the actual news itself.

It's understandable that the WH would want to present their side of the story and try and correct the multitude of inaccuracies and flat-out lies presented daily on Fox, the network that Rupert Murdoch created to tell the conservative side of the news he felt was missing from the MSM. It's also undeniable that Fox in reality is little more than a Republican propaganda machine hiding behind a "news organization" veil.

It may not be a wise strategy to attack them directly though, as it draws attention to Fox and only emboldens their partisan mission. Besides, Jon Stewart will always be the king of mocking cable news for what it really is.

[Marksmu]

Fox News is a joke, and I don't see anything wrong with White House communications director Dunn pointing that out.

Fox is no more of a joke than CNN or MSNBC - you just happen to think they are a joke because they point out the facts that you prefer stay hidden, and they dont point out the facts that you want pointed out.

All of the networks are slanted - the difference is that there are numerous left leaning news organizations, and only ONE that leans right. Every single other news organization seems to think that questioning the current administration is bad strategy - I believe that they dont want to question him because they threw their full support behind him during the election, and now they want to believe that what he is doing is correct, even when its not. SO they are blindly supporting him with very little question.

Fox questions the current administration, the other networks dont, that in my opinion is pathetic on the others.

Just this past week the other "news" network repeated all of the lies about Rush Limbaugh and the allegedly racist statements he made. Only the statement about wanting a black quarterback to succeed was truthful, the rest were lies, continually repeated by the left leaning networks because they dont like RUSH.

When Fox is reporting NEWS, its truthful news, mostly very well fact checked - when they present the right wing shows, like Hannity, or Glen Beck - its clearly slanted commentary - but that does not make the news portion of the network any less credible. All the cable networks have the commentary sections. Clearly slanted towards their own agenda. It does not take a rocket scientist to tell the two apart.

Its a very slippery slope for the government to control what is on the news. The current admin reminds me of Chavez, with the ways they try to silence opposition news.

[west20th]

Just this past week the other "news" network repeated all of the lies about Rush Limbaugh and the allegedly racist statements he made. Only the statement about wanting a black quarterback to succeed was truthful, the rest were lies, continually repeated by the left leaning networks because they dont like RUSH.

Oh really?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp

Strange that Rush would want to be part of one of the more "socialist" business enterprises there are. Also, I thought he was against welfare? Guess not if it involves rich NFL owners and their free stadiums.

[BryanS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFszVSB2EjI

Fox News. We report, you decide.

I've decided. Not fair. Not balanced.

Congress should pass a law that mandates the proper use of the word "news." Fox could keep on doing what their doing, but it would have to be called what it really is: tabloid, right-wing talk, trash TV.

[Highway6]

You are all missing the bigger picture... Do we really need another thread of biased bickering from both sides?

Observers on both sides of the political aisle questioned the White House's decision to continue waging war on a news organization, saying the move carried significant political risks.

Democratic strategist Donna Brazile said on CNN: "I don't always agree with the White House. And on this one here I would disagree."

David Gergen, who has worked for Democratic and Republican presidents, said: "I totally agree with Donna Brazile." Gergen added that White House officials have "gotten themselves into a fight they don't necessarily want to be in. I don't think it's in their best interest."

"The faster they can get this behind them, the more they can treat Fox like one other organization, the easier they can get back to governing, and then put some people out on Fox," Gergen said on CNN. "I mean, for goodness sakes -- you know, you engage in the debate.

What Americans want is a robust competition of ideas, and they ought to be willing to go out there and mix it up with some strong conservatives on Fox, just as there are strong conservatives on CNN like Bill Bennett."

[west20th]

You are all missing the bigger picture... Do we really need another thread of biased bickering from both sides?

Observers on both sides of the political aisle questioned the White House's decision to continue waging war on a news organization, saying the move carried significant political risks.

Democratic strategist Donna Brazile said on CNN: "I don't always agree with the White House. And on this one here I would disagree."

David Gergen, who has worked for Democratic and Republican presidents, said: "I totally agree with Donna Brazile." Gergen added that White House officials have "gotten themselves into a fight they don't necessarily want to be in. I don't think it's in their best interest."

"The faster they can get this behind them, the more they can treat Fox like one other organization, the easier they can get back to governing, and then put some people out on Fox," Gergen said on CNN. "I mean, for goodness sakes -- you know, you engage in the debate.

What Americans want is a robust competition of ideas, and they ought to be willing to go out there and mix it up with some strong conservatives on Fox, just as there are strong conservatives on CNN like Bill Bennett."

True. Fox is a "bold fresh steaming pile of........" but it is not the White houses place to point that out unless they are specifically pointing out a story that is factually wrong. And again, these statements from the White house only benefit Fox. They aren't telling us anything new and I'm sure the ratings have gone up. Heck, we are talking about it here, no publicity is bad publicity.

[AtticaFlinch]

Whether or not you like Fox News, their news is not any more biased right than CNN or MSNBC is biased left - the only difference in these channels, is that the White House does not like FOX.

No thinking person likes Fox News, not just those occupying top spots in the government. Fox does more damage than it does good, and its promotion of race baiters, opposition for the sake of argumentation blowhards and an obvious right-wing agenda have skewed any such thing as objectivity and has reduced dialect in this country to the same sort of irrational diatribe that you seem intent on constantly vomiting on the rest of us. If you think CNN is an agent of the left-wing, your perception of reality is a Salvador Dali painting.

The current admin reminds me of Chavez, with the ways they try to silence opposition news.

Oh please.

[barracuda]

Fox News. We report, you decide.

I've decided. Not fair. Not balanced.

Congress should pass a law that mandates the proper use of the word "news." Fox could keep on doing what their doing, but it would have to be called what it really is: tabloid, right-wing talk, trash TV.

This is the strongest smackdown of Fox News I've seen. This almost makes me like Rick Sanchez, despite some of his silly news stunts (like being tasered on camera).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM1f5xrOfGU

[sevfiv]

I don't watch cable news so I can't comment specifically but come on folks, there are other (and better) places to get information.

[editor]

I don't think it's necessarily the "war" on Fox News that Fox News' publicists want it to be. It's just a tiff. These things happen. When I was a little baby reporter, I once got into a shouting match with the Secretary of State of a mid-Atlantic state in the capitol rotunda. He was not happy that I was asking questions about topics other than the one he was prepared for. It ended with me storming off and shouting back at him, "You will not tell me what I will and will not report!" Visually, it probably looked like a cub reporter having a tantrum. In hindsight, it could have been handled better.

Reporters are human. Politicians are human. Get enough humans together and disagreements happen.

This looks to me more like a case of a new administration not used to being grilled. In Chicago, Obama and his group, never really got grilled on anything. Obama, himself, virtually never appeared before the press. Tammy Duckworth was always treated with kid gloves because of all of her missing limbs and because she never really did anything worth grilling her over. Arnie Duncan never got any heat because the TV stations in Chicago are more likely to cover a visually-compelling flaming car wreck than any BOPSA education story.

I remember when the Clinton press people came into office after the first Bush presidency. Holy crap were they amateurs! It took them a long time to really get the hang of things, and in the meantime they ruffled a few feathers. Say what you want about the first Bush White House, but it was at least very professionally run.

I suspect in a while the Obama administration will figure out how things work and these things will happen less and less. It doesn't help that Fox is using this as a publicity stunt, but that's what happens when you tangle with a national outlet. Although, in the old days someone from the White House press secretary's office would have sat down with someone at Fox News to try to iron things out first before deciding not to make people available to its Sunday morning show.

As usual, the truth is less interesting than the conspiracy theory.

[BryanS]

Fox is no more of a joke than CNN or MSNBC - you just happen to think they are a joke because they point out the facts that you prefer stay hidden, and they dont point out the facts that you want pointed out.

All of the networks are slanted - the difference is that there are numerous left leaning news organizations, and only ONE that leans right. Every single other news organization seems to think that questioning the current administration is bad strategy - I believe that they dont want to question him because they threw their full support behind him during the election, and now they want to believe that what he is doing is correct, even when its not. SO they are blindly supporting him with very little question.

Fox questions the current administration, the other networks dont, that in my opinion is pathetic on the others.

Just this past week the other "news" network repeated all of the lies about Rush Limbaugh and the allegedly racist statements he made. Only the statement about wanting a black quarterback to succeed was truthful, the rest were lies, continually repeated by the left leaning networks because they dont like RUSH.

When Fox is reporting NEWS, its truthful news, mostly very well fact checked - when they present the right wing shows, like Hannity, or Glen Beck - its clearly slanted commentary - but that does not make the news portion of the network any less credible. All the cable networks have the commentary sections. Clearly slanted towards their own agenda. It does not take a rocket scientist to tell the two apart.

Its a very slippery slope for the government to control what is on the news. The current admin reminds me of Chavez, with the ways they try to silence opposition news.

There is no "news" portion of the network. As evidenced by Fox producers whipping up crowds for their so-called news stories. I would guess that this is probably not the first time something like that has happened, just watching any of their stuff for 5 minutes.

Fox is all political commentary, sometimes disguised low key, other times more overt. Too often than not, whenever a person in Congress was involved in a scandal... Fox, regardless of who the person was, would for some reason always put a "D" next to their name. Teen crazed boy lover Mark Foley? Democrat. No. REPUBLICAN. Mark Sanford, the adulterous South Carolina Governor. Democrat. No. REPUBLICAN. The airport toilet tapping Larry Craig... Fox could not bring it to themselves to even indicate his political affiliation: REPUBLICAN.

Any third grade child with access to the Internet can readily research and establish the simple facts of party affiliation for any member of Congress. Easily. But for some reason, the collective IQ's at Fox, which reach the level of perhaps that of a piece of toast... couldn't even perform the simple third grade task of correctly discerning party affiliation. Their brains did not have the capacity to perform such a task.

Yes, they need to be shutdown. Not because of their ideas, or who they are (love the sinner, hate the sin).... but for the offense of dumbing down America. And I am a rocket scientist, just in case that mattered.

[Marksmu]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=uFszVSB2EjI

Fox News. We report, you decide.

I've decided. Not fair. Not balanced.

Congress should pass a law that mandates the proper use of the word "news." Fox could keep on doing what their doing, but it would have to be called what it really is: tabloid, right-wing talk, trash TV.

Oh and CNN does not do it? Their coverage was all about tea bagging - they blantly lied about the sizes of the crowds, and made every single tea party attendee out to be a stupid red neck. Lets recall this little gem:

"CNN: "Alright, we'll move on... (to audience) I think you get the general tenor of this, uh, it's anti-government, anti-CNN, since this is highly promoted by the rightwing conservative network Fox and... since I can't really hear much more, I think this... is not really family viewing, toss it back to you, Kera."

What a Joke!

All the liberal networks, absolutely failed to report the real story - the tens of thousands who attended were made to be a small crowd, and no crowd size estimation (because it was too large for them) yet they can get a crowd count for a gay rights rally, not just a count, but they get the count that day! They simply fail to report the facts, and attempt to downplay everything they does not fit their agenda.

Fox may not be perfect, but it is NOT any worse than the other networks - those who oppose it, do so simply because they dont like what it is saying.

[west20th]

All the liberal networks, absolutely failed to report the real story - the tens of thousands who attended were made to be a small crowd, and no crowd size estimation (because it was too large for them) yet they can get a crowd count for a gay rights rally, not just a count, but they get the count that day! They simply fail to report the facts, and attempt to downplay everything they does not fit their agenda.

the "liberal" media reported the police and fire estimates (912 rally) of about 60K. Faux news pulled an unverified two million estimate out of their butts.

[Marksmu]

the "liberal" media reported the police and fire estimates (912 rally) of about 60K. Faux news pulled an unverified two million estimate out of their butts.

I never saw the police/fire estimates, and but the simple helicopter pictures, could EASILY show you there were more than 60,000...Furthermore, I am yet to find a RELIABLE source that quotes an official estimate.

Your buying it hook line and sinker...congrats - Im not - I dont trust any one source for anything, but everything in my gut, and every bit of common sense tells me that this administration is up to no good, and the news networks, with the exception of FOX wont cover the problems....I guess they are still hoping for change.

[BryanS]

Oh and CNN does not do it?

This isn't about CNN. This isn't about MSNBC. This is about FOX "NEWS." You're trying to defend Fox by claiming that others are also slanted. This isn't about the other networks. What they do or do not do has no bearing on what FOX does.

It's like getting busted for talking or chewing gum in class. "I'm not the only one! - So-and-so was also talking!" .... Your teacher: "This isn't about so-and-so, it's about YOU. YOU were talking - go to the principals office. NOW."

What would be interesting to hear is what makes FOX (not CNN, not MSNBC) fair and balanced? So far, I have heard nor read anything that gives them any credibility to hold that title - given their past and on-going track record.

[kylejack]

This is a free country and Obama can say whatever he wants about Fox News. You disagree and continue to watch Fox News, good for you, its a free country. Moving on.

[Jeebus]

Fox News is a joke, and I don't see anything wrong with White House communications director Dunn pointing that out.

Fox is a joke IMO, they tend to back up their attacks with innuendo instead of facts, however the White house probably should just leave this alone. The only thing they are accomplishing is boosting Fox ratings.

Call it what you want, but the ratings speak for themselves:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/fox-news-dominates-3q-200_n_304260.html

Fox News has pulled off another dominant quarter, claiming the top 10 cable news programs in 3Q 2009 and growing against 3Q 2008, while CNN and MSNBC lost substantial portions of their election-boom audience.

[Highway6]

Call it what you want, but the ratings speak for themselves:

http://www.huffingto...0_n_304260.html

Thank you Mr President.

[editor]

I never saw the police/fire estimates, and but the simple helicopter pictures, could EASILY show you there were more than 60,000...Furthermore, I am yet to find a RELIABLE source that quotes an official estimate.

Have you even looked?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/14/blog-posting/blogger-claim-photo-shows-millions-tea-party-prote/

It doesn't get more reliable than Politifact.

As mentioned several months ago, keep an eye on its Obamameter: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/politifacts-top-promises/

[Highway6]

It doesn't get more reliable than Politifact.

Yah.. It's like Snopes for the politics junkie.. I've found it's pretty fair so far on calling out all politicians from both sides of the aisle on their exaggerations.

Of course.. it is run by the St. Petersburg Times, a progressive leaning paper as determined by progressive Media Matters for America....so, it's not perfect. No reporting group is 100% unbiased.

[AtticaFlinch]

Fox may not be perfect, but it is NOT any worse than the other networks - those who oppose it, do so simply because they dont like what it is saying.

This may even be true, probably even the first time you've hit close to truth, though this is not in the way you intended. I don't like what Fox says because they present opinions and biases as fairness and balanced reporting. They've created and promoted demagogues, hatemongers, racebaiters as pedagogues, idiocy as genius, rhetoric as discourse and misplaced anger as righteousness. They've made Janeane Garofalo a scion of evil. They've villified Al Franken as a genital wart on American politics. They've more than hinted that President Obama is a socialist, anti-American terrorist.

Fox News is anti-American. They are the genital warts on intelligent discourse. They've openly encouraged hatred towards the president. They've all but stopped short of encouraging their viewership to revolt. It won't be long till one of their propagandized feeble-minded viewers makes an attempt on the president's life. Fox should be shut down. Their agenda is seditious and disruptive. And for what? For ratings?! So you conservative anti-progress, right-wing, luddite blowhards can feel good about your shrinking place in this world moving forward?

[kylejack]

Cable news is an abomination. Fox is terrible as are MSNBC, CNN, etc.

[AtticaFlinch]

Cable news is an abomination. Fox is terrible as are MSNBC, CNN, etc.

True, but at least none of their anchors raped and murdered a girl in 1990. Not sayin' Glenn Beck did rape and murder a girl in 1990, but it's curious he hasn't denied it.

http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/

[LTAWACS]

I dont watch any of those supposed news channels. They all report the same thing... sometimes word for word. And I could do without the celebrity news/gossip. I have more important things to tend to. No thanks.

[Marksmu]

This may even be true, probably even the first time you've hit close to truth, though this is not in the way you intended. I don't like what Fox says because they present opinions and biases as fairness and balanced reporting. They've created and promoted demagogues, hatemongers, racebaiters as pedagogues, idiocy as genius, rhetoric as discourse and misplaced anger as righteousness. They've made Janeane Garofalo a scion of evil. They've villified Al Franken as a genital wart on American politics. They've more than hinted that President Obama is a socialist, anti-American terrorist.

Fox News is anti-American. They are the genital warts on intelligent discourse. They've openly encouraged hatred towards the president. They've all but stopped short of encouraging their viewership to revolt. It won't be long till one of their propagandized feeble-minded viewers makes an attempt on the president's life. Fox should be shut down. Their agenda is seditious and disruptive. And for what? For ratings?! So you conservative anti-progress, right-wing, luddite blowhards can feel good about your shrinking place in this world moving forward?

I havent spent much time on politifact, just the last 2 minutes - but from looking at it, first 2 pages of "facts" they seem to only be picking apart republican lies, and democrat exaggerations....I can tell you 100 Pelosi lies...almost every word that hack speaks is untrue - and they had only a handful of half truths on there. Im not saying its good or bad, I have not spent enough time on it, but from what I see on the first 2 pages I looked at, its definitely cherry picking.

As to fox news being anti-American - no way - The liberals, want to take away all of the things that made this country great in an effort to be "fair" -its sickening. Janeane Garolfo is a scion of evil, not only is she evil, but she is a complete Idiot. - I am 100% behind Fox on that one. Glen Beck is out there - a few people take him very seriously, but he is way out there - the educated who watch know what is true and what is crazy talk. Obama is a socialist - so they have not missed the mark there. Like it or not, Obamas policies of the government controlling everything, and taxing the wealthy disproportionately are socialist policies. The poor masses are simply voting themselves the fruit of everyone elses labor. Its sickening.

True conservatives know what is what...If you let Obama do everything he wanted, we would have government ownership of everything, everybody shares equally in everything, and he would be a life time president. News Flash, thats not what we want.

Conservatism took a slide during the Bush years, no doubt because Bush abandoned conservatism long ago for a heavy military hand, and liberal social hand - but Obama is SO bad for this country, that you are about to witness the biggest slaughter in American politics next election. America has woken up - the liberal left is louder and dominates 90% of the media for sure, but Americans in general have had enough of the steal from your neighbor, blame Bush rhetoric, that is the Democrats now.

People have had enough of the constant degredation of society in the name of being progressive too. Its time to get back to the basics, and do the things that made America great - stop the social programs, and actually make people work for their money. Enough is enough, the people are going to take their country back, and the Democrats are going to hate it. Obama didnt win the election because he was a better choice, he won because the conservatives didnt have a choice. McCain was the worst republican candidate of all time. They ran a liberal candidate to try to suck in some independent swing voters, but they lost their base in doing so. McCain could not fire up a lighter, let alone a voting public.

You think the conservatives are losing ground, I think just the opposite - the democrats are about to be so marginalized its going to be great, and I hope the republicans do to them, what the democrats are doing now. Shut them out of everything and cram it all down your throats. I cant wait to see the media stink when we finally do exactly what your doing now.

You want proof of Democrats failures - look at almost all of the blue states - more violence, more debt, more unemployment - then look at the red states - drastically less. Everything the democrats touch destroys wealth in this country. I honestly think its on purpose - destroy wealth so they rely upon you for everything. It guarantees your continued election.

[new major on the block]

There is no "news" portion of the network. As evidenced by Fox producers whipping up crowds for their so-called news stories. I would guess that this is probably not the first time something like that has happened, just watching any of their stuff for 5 minutes.

Fox is all political commentary, sometimes disguised low key, other times more overt. Too often than not, whenever a person in Congress was involved in a scandal... Fox, regardless of who the person was, would for some reason always put a "D" next to their name. Teen crazed boy lover Mark Foley? Democrat. No. REPUBLICAN. Mark Sanford, the adulterous South Carolina Governor. Democrat. No. REPUBLICAN. The airport toilet tapping Larry Craig... Fox could not bring it to themselves to even indicate his political affiliation: REPUBLICAN.

Any third grade child with access to the Internet can readily research and establish the simple facts of party affiliation for any member of Congress. Easily. But for some reason, the collective IQ's at Fox, which reach the level of perhaps that of a piece of toast... couldn't even perform the simple third grade task of correctly discerning party affiliation. Their brains did not have the capacity to perform such a task.

Yes, they need to be shutdown. Not because of their ideas, or who they are (love the sinner, hate the sin).... but for the offense of dumbing down America. And I am a rocket scientist, just in case that mattered.

lol Actually you being a rocket scientist has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. My brothers a math genius, but has no street smarts. But thanks for letting us know that, it might come in handy if we need help building a rocketship.

But getting back on topic, Fox news actually does deliver legitimate news just as the other news networks. But at the same time, just as other news networks, they hold shows that do cater to their audiences. If you disagree with those particular shows you can always change the channel, or read a book but don't hate on them for delivering an idiology or providing another view of something cause you don't approve. They are entitled to their opinions as is the crazy guy on the street corner in the tattered clothes and cardboard sign that claims that psychotic green cows from outterspace are arriving to eat all the children of the world. Actual respectful and inciteful people really do listen to both sides of an argument instead of ignoring what one side says because they happen to disagree. I don't agree with everything they, the political shows on all the networks say, but i do take it into consideration as well as do some research myself to form a more intelligible conclusion.