Pumapayam Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 This topic digressed from here. As a Houstonian, which landmark do you value more? Both are great landmarks and have had an impact in your life, but if certain events had to happen, and one was chosen to be demolished, which one do would you like to preserve? Again, this is theoretical, as neither is scheduled for actual demolition in the near future. 1.) River Oaks Theatre http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a2/HoustonRiverOaksTheater.JPG/254px-HoustonRiverOaksTheater.JPG 2.) Williams Waterwall http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8f/Waterwall.jpg/300px-Waterwall.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 I moved musicman's response here.The waterwall is on private land, but people treat it like a public park. Everyone knows about it, and everyone in Houston has been there at least once.false.River Oaks Theatre is only used by an elite few who appreciate the old charm that the theatre has, but most people prefer to see movies with digital picture, sound, and stadium seating. Even those theatres are starting to show some of the more unknown films to attract all types of customers.false.I have to disagree, anyone who visits Houston has been to the Galleria mall, and usually a trip to the waterwall happens. People take photos there.Parents take kids there to play. The waterwall gets it's activity because of the halo effect uptown has, more so the Galleria mall. Not everyone feels the same to visit the River Oaks shopping center to go to the theatre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I've been going to the River Oaks for about 30 years. I've driven by that fountain a few times, but never got out of the car to look at it. It's a fountain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) I have to disagree, anyone who visits Houston has been to the Galleria mall, and usually a trip to the waterwall happens. People take photos there.i'm sitting next to someone right now and she's never been. i think you'd be surprised that some people haven't been to the galleria either. i had an officemate and even though he'd been in houston for 7 yrs, he had never been to the galleria. I've been going to the River Oaks for about 30 years.in puma's eye you are an elitist. Edited June 13, 2008 by musicman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 To like either one is simply because of sentiment anyway. So it depends on each persons history related to the structure/place. Because of time, it wouldn't surprise me if the theatre got more votes. The wiki said the waterway was built in the early 80's? There's plenty of people who don't even know the theatre exists unless they have a history with it. I would say that the waterwall is a bigger Houston icon, but why? Maybe b/c it has greater visibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkieEric Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 i'm sitting next to someone right now and she's never been. i think you'd be surprised that some people haven't been to the galleria either. i had an officemate and even though he'd been in houston for 7 yrs, he had never gone to the galleria.I've been here 6 years, and I've never been to that fountain...driven by as well, but I have never had the urge to actually stop. I also don't have a family here and I'm well past prom age, so I'm never exactly scouting photo locations. There are better places in Houston for that, anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) I've been going to the River Oaks for about 30 years. I've driven by that fountain a few times, but never got out of the car to look at it. It's a fountain.Okay, you have stated the obvious that it takes one person to show the error of my ways. Let me restate it more realistically then.Most people would have stronger feelings to save the waterwall, because most people "consider" it a "public landmark", and most people still value that landmark today.Statues, fountains, plazas, parks have that public landmark appeal to them. It's accessable to everyone, and people can identify with it because they have been there or at least seen it.Some people, who appreciate historic Houston in a very nostalgic sense, would have strong feelings to save the theatre. Those people "consider" it a "historic landmark", and would rather see it preserved just for the sake of keeping history alive.An old theatre falls in line with old historical locations, that fit more inline with the museum crowd appeal.Most people can identify the waterwall and where it is located in Houston, even if they have never been. River Oaks Theatre looks like any old theatre, it is unique, but I am sure there are tons of old theatres around the states that look like it. Not very many, if any, large horseshoe shaped waterwalls that I can think of.Houston brochures usually have the waterwall in them, not the River Oaks Theatre. Edited June 13, 2008 by Pumapayam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Not very many, if any, large horseshoe shaped waterwalls that I can think of. i've been to the double wall one in the med center more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 in puma's eye you are an elitist.On that, puma and I agree.Most people would have stronger feelings to save the waterwall, because most people "consider" it a "public landmark", and most people still value that landmark today.If I had to guess, I'd say most Houstonians wouldn't list that fountain in a top ten list of Houston landmarks. I've never heard anyone (outside of HAIF) talk about that fountain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkieEric Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 The problem with the demo question is that the water wall is replaceable - either with bigger or better fountains, or something else that makes for good photos. Heck, if they were going to build a fountain downtown with 2 horseshoes, would anyone care about the water wall anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) If I had to guess, I'd say most Houstonians wouldn't list that fountain in a top ten list of Houston landmarks. I've never heard anyone (outside of HAIF) talk about that fountain.Really? I'd love to see a list without it on there. I'd be curious to see what would replace it. Edited June 13, 2008 by lockmat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 On that, puma and I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 In the 25 years that fountain has been there, I have gone to it once, in 1986. I was trying to score with a chick that I met, coincidentally, at Birra Poretti's in River Oaks Shopping Center. It didn't work, and I blame that stupid fountain.Seriously, I do not even find the water wall particularly attractive, or architecturally interesting. As musicman pointed out, I find the one in TMC much better. River Oaks, on the other hand, is an architectural gem, and historically much more significant than the waterwall. I think puma's irrational exuberance for the waterwall is merely Galleria homerism, as evidenced by his location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 If I had to guess, I'd say most Houstonians wouldn't list that fountain in a top ten list of Houston landmarks. I've never heard anyone (outside of HAIF) talk about that fountain.You are joking right, The fact that most people consider Transco/Williams Tower a houston icon, how could one not associate the waterwall along with it. Even on it's own, it is known without the tower. You can see it from the freeway.And yes musicman, I am aware of the more recent Medical Center waterwall, it has a similar look, but the design and location are not nearly as nice as the Williams waterwall. I was unaware of it being double sided though. That is news to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Really? I'd love to see a list without it on there. I'd be curious to see what would replace it. Simple. Go talk to the person in the office next to you, or a friend, or whomever, and ask them to write down their top 10 Houston landmarks. As quickly as they can.I think you'd find some people have a hard time even getting to 10 quickly, and while the Transco Tower would make some lists, my hopes are not as high for the waterfall. Of course, the proof is in the experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You are joking right, The fact that most people consider Transco/Williams Tower a houston icon, how could one not associate the waterwall along with it. Even on it's own, it is known without the tower. You can see it from the freeway.No, I'm not joking. I've never seen the fountain from the freeway, only when driving from The Galleria to Best Buy, and then only when I happen to look over that way. I think maybe it's known to you and your elite group of friends, but they may not be an accurate sample of the general population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You are joking right, The fact that most people consider Transco/Williams Tower a houston icon, how could one not associate the waterwall along with it. Even on it's own, it is known without the tower. You can see it from the freeway.That must be why traffic on the west loop is bad. let's doze it and get traffic moving again!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 Really? I'd love to see a list without it on there. I'd be curious to see what would replace it. Houston does not have that many well identified landmarks. I can think of: the Astrodome the Williams tower San Jacinto Monument - (Not really in Houston) Mecom Fountain - Hermann Park The Sam Houston on horse Statue - Hermann Park Virtuoso - Downtown I am struggling to find others that are worth mentioning. Even with the list I have made, the waterwall is much more identifiable in Houston than Mecom Fountain. I think after the Astrodome and Williams Tower, the Waterwall is easily third. It's like Family Feud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I just asked my designer to make a list. I used the word "landmark" and he asked 'well, what's a landmark'. I narrowed it down by saying a building (s) or public space that you easily and quickly identify with Houston.His list in order wasSan Jacinto MonumentMuseum DistrictGallleriaTransco TowerAstrodomeMemorial ParkInteresting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I think you'd find some people have a hard time even getting to 10 quickly,I might have to agree with that. I think I'm gonna see if I can come up with ten myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 Oh NASA, how could I forget NASA! Check out this list Okay, it's sad when the "beer can" house beats out River Oaks Theatre for a spot on this list. Please, scavenge the internet for Houston landmark lists that have River Oaks Theatre and not The Williams Waterwall in it. I challenge ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 No, I'm not joking. I've never seen the fountain from the freeway, only when driving from The Galleria to Best Buy, and then only when I happen to look over that way. I think maybe it's known to you and your elite group of friends, but they may not be an accurate sample of the general population. From this website Houston Water Wall and Williams TowerThis photo presents a unique view of two important Houston landmarks, contrasting soft summer clouds with hard edged modern architecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Here's my list. waterway (it's kind of fresh in my mind transco BOA tower San Jacinton monument Galleria mall Hermann/Memorial park Sam Houston statue in Hermann nasa galveston? astrodome Museum district oak trees Please, scavenge the internet for Houston landmark lists that have River Oaks Theatre and not The Williams Waterwall in it. http://images.google.com/images?um=1&h...ouston+landmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 The problem with the demo question is that the water wall is replaceable - either with bigger or better fountains, or something else that makes for good photos. Heck, if they were going to build a fountain downtown with 2 horseshoes, would anyone care about the water wall anymore?I agree with that, but that is a huge change, it is almost like saying, "lets relocate River Oaks Theatre" to some place else.But I think that it's location, in uptown, by the tower, surrounded by mature trees is what identies the location as a whole. "Most" Houston brochures/websites have the waterwall in them. "Almost Any" uptown/Galleria related brochures/websites have the waterwall in them.The waterwall is uptown, not downtown. I am sure people would love to have a similar or better fountain downtown. But the uptown district and Houston residents, like me, would never let the existing one leave or be demo'd.http://images.google.com/images?um=1&h...ouston+landmarkNice search idea.I see the waterwall was the #2 image listed, works for me, The old Bookstop/Theatre on Shepherd is #6, and the River Oaks Theatre first appears way down on page 3, at #48. A special note, that both of those images are linked from the same article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Top Ten Houston Landmarks10) River Oaks Shopping Center 9) Mecom Fountain 8) Mounted Sam Houston 7) Beer Can House 6) Drawbridge under Hwy 59 5) "JadeNext" graffitti 4) Funeral Home Museum 3) Addicks Resevoir crop circles 2) Banana sculpture on I-45 1) Big Head on Main Street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) Top Ten Houston Landmarks10) River Oaks Shopping Center 9) Mecom Fountain 8) Mounted Sam Houston 7) Beer Can House 6) Drawbridge under Hwy 59 Right. . . no 5) "JadeNext" graffitti Ha no! 4) Funeral Home Museum Not sure if you are being serious here. 3) Addicks Resevoir crop circles Ha no! 2) Banana sculpture on I-45 What??? 1) Big Head on Main Street No idea on this one. Funny man, but yeah, nice job, you left out the Astrodome, that is almost implied with Houston. And the banana sculpture? What the. . . Here is a photo I took at the waterwall in 2006. Edited June 13, 2008 by Pumapayam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeats Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 If I had to guess, I'd say most Houstonians wouldn't list that fountain in a top ten list of Houston landmarks. I've never heard anyone (outside of HAIF) talk about that fountain. Not only would I list that fountain, I'd also list the Mecom Fountain in the Museum District in my top ten list. It's not a good idea to generalize... You don't know what most Houstonians would or wouldn't do on any given day. We're unpredictable like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkieEric Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) Here's a decent listI see neither made the top 20! I've never heard of the National Museum of Funeral History, but now I'm wanting to check it out...Edit: OK, so it looks like Mercury Room made #41. Maybe not that great of a list... Edited June 13, 2008 by OkieEric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumapayam Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) Here's a decent listI see neither made the top 20! I've never heard of the National Museum of Funeral History, but now I'm wanting to check it out... Yeah, I found the waterwall at about #136 of the #142 locations named, but jeez, Funplex is on the list. . . Yeah, it is a strange one. But I do not see River Oaks Theatre anywhere. . . I guess you can alway check out a bollywood film at the Funplex. Edited June 13, 2008 by Pumapayam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Not only would I list that fountain, I'd also list the Mecom Fountain in the Museum District in my top ten list. It's not a good idea to generalize... You don't know what most Houstonians would or wouldn't do on any given day. We're unpredictable like that. Look at the post I was replying to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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