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I am sure you did not intentionally try to group pedophiles with homosexuals, but you put it in the context that "people being unable to control who they find attractive" , and you threw the discussion in a whole new realm when the topic was intended to be for who consenting adults choose to be with. Not about what inhuman predators do with their "urges". You knocked everything off it's axis with your statement, though I agree it was unintentional.

I didn't put anything into any context. WesternGulf did. He said exactly the following:

"I am also not sure if it is nature or nurture but you cannot choose or control what naturally arouses you."

Not "you cannot control the consenting adults to whom you are attracted". I only challenged him on how broad a brush he wanted to use to paint the subject. I wasn't grouping gays in with pedophiles, everyone else did that for me. Now that we all agree child molesters aren't in the same category as consensual gay sex, the answer to my original question would be something along these lines:

"No, Polly, we should not allow pedophiles to engage in sexual acts with children, because they can control what arouses them."

So, basically, people can control what arouses them, then?

Sorry about my attitude, this whole topic has gone way sour. I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading.

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Sorry about my attitude, this whole topic has gone way sour. I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading.
I hate to break it to anyone in here who seems to feel "judged" or "offended", but you're in the forum titled "Religion". Therefore, people are going to talk about their beliefs according to their religion (or as the case may be, lack of). If you don't want to hear people discuss scripture that plainly contradicts the way you live your life, or are offended by such topics, then this may not be the forum for you.

Just a thought.

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Muslim: an est. 1.8 billion

Hindu: an est 1.25 billion

Christians: an est. 2 billion

i still can't believe that you're saying members of these religions are part of a cult.. You claim you were for equal rights but yet castigate them because they choose to practice a religion just as you choose not to practice one.

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Exactly!!! They are hugely different acts, and yet, one can use the same logic to justify them, therefore, the logic is flawed. No comparison made. Only flawed logic pointed out. I'm asking homosexuals to merely use different logic because the logic that started this whole brouhaha does them no good.

That's ALL I'm saying.

I honestly don't see what's so horrible about that. It's not lot I'm calling them a cult or anything.... :rolleyes:

And some others are just pointing out that some folks always bring up bestiality and pedophilia when discussing homosexuality, and then explain they are not comparing it. I am not saying they are cults or anything, I am just asking folks to merely use different examples to argue any flaws, because always putting these three together without meaning to compare them, and then having to explain it don't mean anything is just a lot of work, isn't it?

I honestly don't see what's so horrible about pointing that out.

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And some others are just pointing out that some folks always bring up bestiality and pedophilia when discussing homosexuality, and then explain they are not comparing it. I am not saying they are cults or anything, I am just asking folks to merely use different examples to argue any flaws, because always putting these three together without meaning to compare them, and then having to explain it don't mean anything is just a lot of work, isn't it?

I honestly don't see what's so horrible about pointing that out.

how come it gay ones who keep bringing it up? i thought this point was moot.

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I'm straight. I love girls (fine girls, you must be fine). That's it.

Oh and we usually fly Continental.

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I'm straight. I love girls (fine girls, you must be fine). That's it.

yes but what AGE are the girls, fine girls? :D

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how come it gay ones who keep bringing it up? i thought this point was moot.

Long windedness begets long windedness. Moot according to you. What do you mean it gay ones keep bringing this up?

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I didn't put anything into any context. WesternGulf did. He said exactly the following:

"I am also not sure if it is nature or nurture but you cannot choose or control what naturally arouses you."

Not "you cannot control the consenting adults to whom you are attracted". I only challenged him on how broad a brush he wanted to use to paint the subject. I wasn't grouping gays in with pedophiles, everyone else did that for me. Now that we all agree child molesters aren't in the same category as consensual gay sex, the answer to my original question would be something along these lines:

"No, Polly, we should not allow pedophiles to engage in sexual acts with children, because they can control what arouses them."

So, basically, people can control what arouses them, then?

Sorry about my attitude, this whole topic has gone way sour. I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading.

Well, could you have chosen a little bit lighter subject, since this wasn't a very serious conversation about love and life. Maybe you could have said, "Is it ok for a 87 yr. old woman or man to copulate with a 24 yr. old of the opposite sex, after all you can't help what turns you on ?" EEEWWWWW, I got the heebie jeebies just writing that sentence. I gotta go wash my hands now.

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I tried to lighten things up with the poop references, no? ;):lol:

Alas, the tone on this thread had nowhere to go but serious, unfortunately.

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Since 'The Editor' and several others have wanted the previous discussion to stay on topic, I created this topic so we could continue the discussion (off-topic).

I don't really care if it gets off-topic and evolves into another discussion or threads --but maybe 'The Editor' will again.

Go for it!

God: I'm agnostic and was/is a former catholic. I believe in a higher being, but I don't subscribe to a particular religion.

Gays: I'm a male version of a Fag hag, I seem to attract them. Thank god, they help me with my dressing choices and they attract cute chicks.

Genetics: I'm all for genetics and look forward to see how the human race will fare over the next few hundred years (if we make it that long).

Airlines: Scared silly of flying. Will fly drunk, so airline is irrelevant, but I'm partial to Jet Blue because they seem to hold themselves to a higher standards than the others out there.

As far as Pedophilia being compared to Gays, just remember, most pedophiles are Straight men.

in regards to what someone is turned on to: "One man's kink is another's missionary position."

That's all I have got to say in that matter.

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I tried to lighten things up with the poop references, no? ;):lol:

Alas, the tone on this thread had nowhere to go but serious, unfortunately.

Well, I guess my point would be that he wasn't referencing to any type of illegal acts, and although, I wouldn't know if playing with "poop" in the bedroom is illegal, it just sounds WRONG ! ! ! How does someone even come up with that ???

Female: "Honey, stop, all this tantric stuff is getting boring. I GOT IT, I was at the zoo with little Jimmy the other day and we saw the Chimps throwing fecal matter at each other. All I could do was think of YOU when I saw it baby!"

Male: "Gosh sweety, I don't know, that sounds pretty gross. I mean, didn't you like, have Taco Bell today? I just don't know honey."

Female: "C'mon monkeyboy, we are doin' THIS, and you are gonna like it !"

Male: "Yes dear."

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But the road to hell is paved with good intentions.... See ya there parrothead.

Gosh, that wouldn't be a <GASP!!!> judgement, now would it??? :o

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Well, I guess my point would be that he wasn't referencing to any type of illegal acts, and although, I wouldn't know if playing with "poop" in the bedroom is illegal, it just sounds WRONG ! ! ! How does someone even come up with that ???

Female: "Honey, stop, all this tantric stuff is getting boring. I GOT IT, I was at the zoo with little Jimmy the other day and we saw the Chimps throwing fecal matter at each other. All I could do was think of YOU when I saw it baby!"

Male: "Gosh sweety, I don't know, that sounds pretty gross. I mean, didn't you like, have Taco Bell today? I just don't know honey."

Female: "C'mon monkeyboy, we are doin' THIS, and you are gonna like it !"

Male: "Yes dear."

You know, I will remember the discussion whenever someone says, "Hot Monkey Sex". now.

You ruined it for me.

"Let's have some hot monkey sex, baby!"

<gag>

"'scuse me, I think I'm just going to go throw up a bit, then how about some spooning?"

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You know, I will remember the discussion whenever someone says, "Hot Monkey Sex". now.

You ruined it for me.

"Let's have some hot monkey sex, baby!"

<gag>

"'scuse me, I think I'm just going to go throw up a bit, then how about some spooning?"

My job here is done. You know it is sooooo important to me, that if I can change just ONE life on this forum, I know I am doing my part. ;)

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One question.

In your opinion, why is America's Christians more religious then their European counterparts? It would seem that they would be more secular afer having established 'freedom of religion'.

Also, why do Roman Catholics (incl. Latinos) tend to be the most religious of all Christians?

Lastly, out of curiosity, are any of you from the 'Born Again' Christians i hear about so much?

Thank You.

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One question.

In your opinion, why is America's Christians more religious then their European counterparts?

America isnt as far along as Europe is in throwing G-D out of everyday life and taxing churches. There are many here that would wrongfully like to see that happen in our country.

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yes but what AGE are the girls, fine girls? :D

My age, but I could pull some from the 20's. :lol:

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America isnt as far along as Europe is in throwing G-D out of everyday life and taxing churches. There are many here that would wrongfully like to see that happen in our country.

Also, why are you spelling it G-D instead of the 'traditional' way?

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Also, why are you spelling it G-D instead of the 'traditional' way?

Im trusting in your smarts to figure that one out. The spelling i use actually reveals a lot about my beliefs ;)

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Im trusting in your smarts to figure that one out. The spelling i use actually reveals a lot about my beliefs ;)

Are you Jewish? I know Jews spell YHWH, leaving the vowels aside.

Im not too familiar with Judeo-Christian Ethical Principles/Moral Principles. I only know a certain amount of History and Social dynamics.

ALSO, id love to ask you how much of the US Military believes itself to be a 'Christian Army'. Meaning, how many of them believe they are fighting for Christianity, or fighting along Christian principles, etc. How many high-ups in the military believe they are 'doing God's work' so to speak.

It peaks my interest. Thanks.

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Are you Jewish? I know Jews spell YHWH, leaving the vowels aside.

Im not too familiar with Judeo-Christian Ethical Principles/Moral Principles. I only know a certain amount of History and Social dynamics.

ALSO, id love to ask you how much of the US Military believes itself to be a 'Christian Army'. Meaning, how many of them believe they are fighting for Christianity, or fighting along Christian principles, etc. How many high-ups in the military believe they are 'doing God's work' so to speak.

It peaks my interest. Thanks.

my officemate was in iraq for 2 yrs and i've known him for 10. i don't think i've ever heard him say christian army. As in past wars, i hear phrases like i'm fighting for my country, etc. maybe a few do think that but i don't believe it is predominant in anyway.

My age, but I could pull some from the 20's. :lol:

Book 'em Dano!

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Are you Jewish? I know Jews spell YHWH, leaving the vowels aside.

Im not too familiar with Judeo-Christian Ethical Principles/Moral Principles. I only know a certain amount of History and Social dynamics.

ALSO, id love to ask you how much of the US Military believes itself to be a 'Christian Army'. Meaning, how many of them believe they are fighting for Christianity, or fighting along Christian principles, etc. How many high-ups in the military believe they are 'doing God's work' so to speak.

It peaks my interest. Thanks.

You didnt let me down. Im impressed ;);)

I dont know about now, but in my days most of the higher ups were Christian. It was the one thing that factored into planning/strategy which gave the planners a moment of pause, to keep from going too far with war plans and executions. If they didnt have a belief in G-D, things would be and would have been very very different.

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I dont know about now, but in my days most of the higher ups were Christian.
were they vocal about it or did it just guide them in their daily activities? Edited by musicman

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America isnt as far along as Europe is in throwing G-D out of everyday life and taxing churches. There are many here that would wrongfully like to see that happen in our country.

Whether they be Wiccan, Muslim, Hindu or Jewish-all tax exempt-I would welcome the tax revenue. Wouldn't you? I mean, a smart guy like you who struggled through the process of getting his G_D [GED] must realize that all these non-Christian denominations aren't paying taxes?

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Whether they be Wiccan, Muslim, Hindu or Jewish-all tax exempt-I would welcome the tax revenue. Wouldn't you? I mean, a smart guy like you who struggled through the process of getting his G_D [GED] must realize that all these non-Christian denominations aren't paying taxes?

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

The more you speak, the deeper your grave gets :lol::lol::lol:

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:lol::lol::lol::lol:

The more you speak, the deeper your grave gets :lol::lol::lol:

That must make you happy since you're the only one on HAIF that has ever suggested I kill myself. I talked with the editor and he said you had been handled.

Apparently the editor was mistaken.

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Gays: I'm a male version of a Fag hag, I seem to attract them. Thank god, they help me with my dressing choices and they attract cute chicks.

So are you a dyke tyke or a fag hag? :lol:

Instead of bashing parrothead, I should probibly fix nmainguy's REAL problem..

I'll be second to tell you to kill yourself! Ha! Where's the welcoming committee to that boat? whoo whoo. (I'm joking nmainguy, you shouldn't let what moon man said get to you... I mean, come on. Look who was saying it!)

God - can't possibly exsist on the terms of some of the nut jobs on here, that god is a cruel god to make it so easy to laugh at some of the belief systems. Well all you can do is laugh, at how ridiculous it can get.

Gays - Anyone named after a street (usually attached with "guy"), puma...

Genetics - So a cajun and a jew get married and have me.

Airlines - Brittish Airways & Continental.

Edited by Montrose1100

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Also, why do Roman Catholics (incl. Latinos) tend to be the most religious of all Christians?

I think it depends on what part of the country you are in.

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You didnt let me down. Im impressed ;);)

I dont know about now, but in my days most of the higher ups were Christian. It was the one thing that factored into planning/strategy which gave the planners a moment of pause, to keep from going too far with war plans and executions. If they didnt have a belief in G-D, things would be and would have been very very different.

That's part of the problem.

When you make war, you don't throw hugs and kisses afterwards. You beat them into submission and let them know who's boss and put the fear of whatever god they pray to.

this PC crap got on my nerves when it comes to fighting wars.

If god is on our side, he will understand a little massacre here and there might be necessary to produce long term peace. It's worked in the past, so I'm sure it's written in his handbook somewhere.

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That's part of the problem.

When you make war, you don't throw hugs and kisses afterwards. You beat them into submission and let them know who's boss and put the fear of whatever god they pray to.

this PC crap got on my nerves when it comes to fighting wars.

If god is on our side, he will understand a little massacre here and there might be necessary to produce long term peace. It's worked in the past, so I'm sure it's written in his handbook somewhere.

The problem isnt the military members' belief in G-D. The problem you are speaking of comes from limp wrist Admirals and Generals that have moved away from kill kill, and a civilian leadership that has exercised too much control in military planning and execution. Political correctness has in many ways harmfully influenced the military. I listen to the briefings and the hearings from the military leadership and i am very disturbed at what i see and hear. There are obvious things said by some of these clowns, which raises a red flag, but the average American doesnt pick up on it :(:(:(

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The problem isnt the military members' belief in G-D. The problem you are speaking of comes from limp wrist Admirals and Generals that have moved away from kill kill, and a civilian leadership that has exercised too much control in military planning and execution. Political correctness has in many ways harmfully influenced the military. I listen to the briefings and the hearings from the military leadership and i am very disturbed at what i see and hear. There are obvious things said by some of these clowns, which raises a red flag, but the average American doesnt pick up on it :(:( :(

Truly.

I mean, I'm sure it's written in the gospels somewhere about how there are just some people that needing killing.

Or was that clint eastwood?

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God - can't possibly exsist on the terms of some of the nut jobs on here, that god is a cruel god to make it so easy to laugh at some of the belief systems. Well all you can do is laugh, at how ridiculous it can get.

No Montrose.............God has an EXCELLENT sense of humor, just look around while you go through your everyday life away from HAIF. God is the original prankster, that is the only explanation for the Platypus, and Kevin Federline's "fame", not to mention Paris Hilton.

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God - can't possibly exsist on the terms of some of the nut jobs on here, that god is a cruel god to make it so easy to laugh at some of the belief systems. Well all you can do is laugh, at how ridiculous it can get.

Really...any nut jobs in particular? Care to elaborate? I'm very interested as to what you consider a "nut job". :blink:

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Really...any nut jobs in particular? Care to elaborate? I'm very interested as to what you consider a "nut job". :blink:

how about a nut job grenade that god threw not too long ago: Congress.

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Really...any nut jobs in particular? Care to elaborate? I'm very interested as to what you consider a "nut job". :blink:

the kool-aid drinking, angry, pat robertson types.

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I have the unmitigated gall to tell you as a gay man that I am indeed a second-class citizen until I am afforded the same rights as straight folks.

Educate us that are don't seem to know: What rights do you not have? I know you can't get married, but what other ones are still out there? Military? Adoption?

For what its worth, I agree with you about church taxation. There's no reason a church of any religion should be tax-exempt. Just go look at Lakewood's payroll for proof.

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For what its worth, I agree with you about church taxation. There's no reason a church of any religion should be tax-exempt. Just go look at Lakewood's payroll for proof.

If you agree with him in support of his "cause", in support of gay people in general, you shouldnt. That sort of stuff will spell doom for the gays. This isnt Europe. The churchs here are not bankrupt in attendance. The people that attend the churchs are not usually screaming idiots without direction. They are very focussed and very determined. To tax the churches is to give the members of said churches a bigger say in the direction of life and policy within the nation. I assure you that is a large and powerful voting block which isnt jaded in thier beliefs. Forget about the seperation of church and state, it would no longer apply. I guarantee you and anyone that may be dillusional here, that the interest they support, with an even louder more powerful force, will not be that of nmainguy or any gays. They will not look to support gays who are productive members of society. Gays who pay taxes. Gays who care about thier neighborhoods, or the gays that are a positive inclusive force in everyday society. They will focus on the scum and most rabid of the gays and lump all gays in the same group. They will focus on the gays that spout out garbage such as people that believe in G-D are cult members. They will focus on gays that lend support to beliefs that everyday tax paying citizens and people that dont support all gay causes and agendas are automatically bad-cult members. That is the sort of stuff that will shine. Lending blind support to radical gay people doesnt help the cause of the gays, it dooms it! Theres nothing wrong in having an open mind, just be selective at the types of causes you lend support to. Education is a wonderful thing ;)

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:lol::lol::lol::lol:

The more you speak, the deeper your grave gets :lol::lol::lol:

I don't think it's funny making fun of a man that in a battle for his life.

I am in a personal battle my self it's called the demon alcohol. I may be losing the fight but i am still on my two feet. One day i will defeat my demons and reclaim myself but some of the things you are saying is not right Houston1Word.

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I don't think it's funny making fun of a man that in a battle for his life.

I am in a personal battle my self it's called the demon alcohol. I may be losing the fight but i am still on my two feet. One day i will defeat my demons and reclaim myself but some of the things you are saying is not right Houston1Word.

Fine. If you follow this board close enough, you would know the big guns dont come out unless theres a catalist for it. Again, education is a wonderful thing.

If you dont want your dog to get kicked, keep it on a shorter leash. Dont fall prey to one ridiculous comment without knowing the facts, meaning consider the source..........

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Fine. If you follow this board close enough, you would know the big guns dont come out unless theres a catalist for it. Again, education is a wonderful thing.

If you dont want your dog to get kicked, keep it on a shorter leash. Dont fall prey to one ridiculous comment without knowing the facts, meaning consider the source..........

I read the fact's Houston1Word since March 2005 that's how long i was a lurker. ;) but i'm not about to get into a keyboard Karate fight with you. :)

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I read the fact's Houston1Word since March 2005 that's how long i was a lurker. ;) but i'm not about to get into a keyboard Karate fight with you. :)

Listen mister, you had better not get into a keyboard karate fight with me!! You would win and i would not like that :(

I dont like to hear that you are having some problems. You have always been pretty relaxed and laid back guy. Very brave of you and honorable to admit a flaw. I have MUCH RESPECT for that.

I was already thinking of a nice girl for you, this revelation just expedites everything ;) I hope you smile when reading this, its not meant to be harmful or rude in anyway :)

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Listen mister, you had better not get into a keyboard karate fight with me!! You would win and i would not like that :(

I dont like to hear that you are having some problems. You have always been pretty relaxed and laid back guy. Very brave of you and honorable to admit a flaw. I have MUCH RESPECT for that.

I was already thinking of a nice girl for you, this revelation just expedites everything ;) I hope you smile when reading this, its not meant to be harmful or rude in anyway :)

:):):):):):):):):wub::lol:

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Anything by Sir Mix-A- Lot will do.

LOL :lol::lol:

You are not right.

With your statement, im now expecting to see you on one of those MTV videos, and if thats the case brother, watch out :) Those babies got back!!!! Not that im complaining ;)

Edited by Houston1stWordOnTheMoon

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Educate us that are don't seem to know: What rights do you not have? I know you can't get married, but what other ones are still out there? Military? Adoption?

For what its worth, I agree with you about church taxation. There's no reason a church of any religion should be tax-exempt. Just go look at Lakewood's payroll for proof.

The Church may not be taxed, but the people that work in these churches are. Now, getting an American Express in the church's name, well, that's a different matter. It is my beleif that a church should be a NON-PROFIT organization. Any church should be able to make just enough money to cover their payroll and monthly bills, anything else gets immediately put into a mutual fund of some sort to help pay for homeless programs and children programs.

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