WesternGulf Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 I found this Midtown map on the Page Partners site and I was looking at information for this midtown retail development that was mentioned earlier on this forum: The map stresses where this development will be located but shows the different uses of the area. Does anyone have information on the residential project at the very top of the map named Camden Central City? Has anyone heard of it. The one thing that scares me about Camden is, if it is not mixed use, you usually get the stuff that exsist in Midtown now that Camden owns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editor Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Didn't Camden slow down its building plans because of the economy? Is this even still an active project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesternGulf Posted December 4, 2005 Author Share Posted December 4, 2005 I asked this question on SSP and I believe these are nothing more but the Edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gs2000 Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 walking by the area for the past week or so, it seems as construction has started, some of the lots have been dug up and they have fenced in the NW block between cleveland and ruthven , it looks like a building material storage area and a trailer type construction office.Does anyone have any plans or pictures of the proposed buildings there?thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Looks like the site work is progressing and some of the streets have been closed off. A sign on the property refers to it as "Camden Bagby Square". I'm assuming it's another mega-apartment complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watch4Snakes Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Construction is proceeding rapidly. Friends who live in the adjacent 4th Ward townhomes say that there is supposed to be ground-level retail. The effort is to further connect 4th Ward to Midtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mls1202 Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 I'm a bit confused here. I thought that the Edge is going up where the map shows Camden Central City to be. Which is right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicMan Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) The final name appears to be Camden City CentreIt is at 301 Saint Joseph's Parkway at 77002.The zoned Houston ISD schools are:* Gregory-Lincoln Education Center (grades Kindergarten through 8) - http://ms.houstonisd.org/gregorylincoln/* Reagan High School - http://hs.houstonisd.org/reaganhs/Profiles* http://dept.houstonisd.org/profiles/Gregor...onCenter_ES.pdf* http://dept.houstonisd.org/profiles/Reagan_HS.pdf Edited August 20, 2006 by VicMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbaNerd Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) Looks like it is indeed a go!According to this googled document:"Camden City CentreHouston, TX 379 54.0 17.4 17.4 3Q07 3Q08"http://biz.yahoo.com/e/060807/cpt10-q.htmlMore articles:http://finance.abc13.com/abc?ID=3327820&am...p;Page=NewsRead16. Camden City Centre301 Saint Joseph's PkwyHouston, TX 77002(713) 354-2500Opening Spring/Summer 2007http://www.camdenliving.com/internet/html/...ear_houston.htm Edited August 20, 2006 by UrbaNerd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sargento03 Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 This 6 block, 600 unit megaproperty will NOT have retail! I'm extremely upset and tired of this crap! Developers are not seeing the future of the area. The reason being streets in fourth ward are too narrow and there is going to be too much congestion. This is exactly what we need... for people to stop catering to cars! When is someone going to finally get this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 (edited) This 6 block, 600 unit megaproperty will NOT have retail! I'm extremely upset and tired of this crap! Developers are not seeing the future of the area. The reason being streets in fourth ward are too narrow and there is going to be too much congestion. This is exactly what we need... for people to stop catering to cars! When is someone going to finally get this.Pedestrian/Transit-oriented retail will only come when there are enough households within walking/riding distance to support it. A 600-unit apartment complex isn't enough, by itself, and it would also face competition from Post Midtown, which has already established itself within the market. A substantial retail component is first and foremost an investment, not a design element.Having said that, even I think that a non-substantial retail element would've been called for. At least a coffee shop or some other small shop that could've served not only as a cash generator, but also as an on-site amenity to the apartments. Edited September 19, 2006 by TheNiche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 True enough. It seems that neighborhood is not quite up to sustaining much retail. I'm not convinced that the residential-retail mix is a very compelling idea. There's a limited number of retail options that would work, since not many residents will want to live above anything that is noisy, smelly, or open late, and that rules out a lot of retail. Also, apartment developers are in the business of developing apartments. If they don't have depth in retail they're not going to want to risk it. I know there are cases where residential plus retail has been done, but I would think the opportunities for it are very limited and location-dependent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 (edited) We went by there today and while I understand the want for retail, I'll bet the majority of its residents won't be walking around. The west side streets are skanky IMO. If people are scared of homeless then here they['ll really have a reason to be scared. we spotted at least 2 "deals" going on. Edited September 20, 2006 by musicman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesternGulf Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 We went by there today and while I understand the want for retail, I'll bet the majority of its residents won't be walking around. The west side streets are skanky IMO. If people are scared of homeless then here they['ll really have a reason to be scared. we spotted at least 2 "deals" going on.These are no where near the area you are speaking of. I believe it is literally across the street from the Post. That said, retail is really not needed at this development. Ther are restaurant options, convenient stores, coffee shops, and cleaners all along that stretch on Gray located at the Post that even the average Houstonian could walk to from this development. The Post Midtown expansion may even be mixed use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Hizzy! Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I agree with WG. Retail in urban developments won't be effective if the market it intends to serve is over saturated. Clearly, the developers for this project don't see enough in the way of longterm development to justify bringing retail into their development. Maybe in ten years they'd feel differently--or maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feufoma Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I live in the area and although I'm not especially happy about apartments being developed at least it's further gentrification. Camden could have at least provided space for a convenience store and/ or small food market. It happens in other cities why not here? One positive: even though these are just apartments the property could have an impact on taxes in the area. That might force some of the slum lords in the back of the 4th Ward to sell and drive out the bad element. As a side note to this area: the lack of police presence in this area is unforgivable. The police appear to only be interested in busting those "dangerous speeders," especially if they're white and drive a decent car! It's all about generating revenue rather than actually cracking down on real crime, you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesternGulf Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 Are we talking about the same development here? Isn't this Camden project really the location for the Edge at 300 St Joseph? I do not believe they're apartments either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feufoma Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Are we talking about the same development here? Isn't this Camden project really the location for the Edge at 300 St Joseph? I do not believe they're apartments either.I believe so. Yes, this development will be across from The Edge. However, it's my understanding that all units in the Camden development will be rental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 (edited) These are no where near the area you are speaking of. I believe it is literally across the street from the Post. That said, retail is really not needed at this development. Ther are restaurant options, convenient stores, coffee shops, and cleaners all along that stretch on Gray located at the Post that even the average Houstonian could walk to from this development. The Post Midtown expansion may even be mixed use.Yes these are the ones i'm talking about. They are just north of the Post Midtown. West of this new development is where i was saying it is rough enough to where people would not feel safe to walk. Edited September 20, 2006 by musicman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Are we talking about the same development here? Isn't this Camden project really the location for the Edge at 300 St Joseph? I do not believe they're apartments either.It is actually BOTH, Camden and the Edge. The Edge sits directly north of Post, and is under construction. Camden is west and north of the Edge. The wood framing is all Camden. The Edge is the concrete columns protruding slightly out of the ground.West of the Camden site may still be considered rough around the edges. However, the orientation of Camden will be toward Post and the Edge, where Front Porch and Kamodo are. People park on that street now, to go to the bars. I don't see 600 to 1,000 new residents making it worse. Besides, there is nothing west of Camden that anyone wants to see anyway. All of the bars, restaurants and retail are south and east of the property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sargento03 Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 (edited) This is what I don't understand from some of your replies.... Most people around here are saying that retail/residential/business mix is the best for an urban environment. But, then some of you are saying that Camden does not necessarily have to have retail...From a resident's perspective this is what I want. There are more small businesses that we need around here. From a business perspective, I would think this could be a selling point for Camden.I think if they build it...we will come. Fourth Ward, the area of midtown where the Posts are, and surrounding areas are becoming very dense, and I think retail will survive. Edited November 24, 2007 by sargento03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 This is what I don't understand from some of your replies.... Most people around here are saying that retail/residential/business mix is the best for an urban environment. But, then some of you are saying that Camden does not necessarily have to have retail...From a resident's perspective this is what I want. There are more small businesses that we need around here. I'm tired of having to drive everywhere for simple items like batteries (need those today and refuse to drive to cvs). From a business perspective, I would think this could be a selling point for Camden.I think if they build it...we will come. Fourth Ward, the area of midtown where the Posts are, and surrounding areas are becoming very dense, and I think retail will survive. My mom lives in Venezuela and although a third world country they got this concept down. The bottom floor of her high rise has a bakery, pharmacy, convenience store, video game place for kids, a tiny grocery store, and a gym! I want this soooo bad here!Houston still isn't really all that dense, even in and around Midtown and Montrose. Our densest areas are actually outside the loop, around Gulfton. And even then, that's because of a proliferation of low-rise apartments. Houston is not NYC. Houston is not part of a third-world country. The economics of real estate that apply in those places don't necessarily apply here (yet). We just aren't within those same economic thresholds. And unfortunately, battery purchases don't support much retail.Funny, though. In another thread, you mention a distate for fences because it creates a third world aesthetic, and yet in this thread you long for that same atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesternGulf Posted September 21, 2006 Author Share Posted September 21, 2006 This is what I don't understand from some of your replies.... Most people around here are saying that retail/residential/business mix is the best for an urban environment. But, then some of you are saying that Camden does not necessarily have to have retail To be honest, I thought this thread was about the EDGE, but you are right about the lack of retail in the area atleast for the residents that have been in and are moving into the Fourth Ward. From the map, it still seems like retail is the last thing this developer would be worried about. The streets are just to narrow in the area, and retail usually lies on commercial streets such as Gray and West Dallas, while everything in between is residential. Plus the streets are just too narrow for that type of traffic unless it will be geared exclusively towards walkers. Yeah right. Also, regarding the Camden, I must say I now see where musicman is coming from. Not too many people who live in the sea of Urban Lofts and new townhomes popping up in the Fourth Ward are going to walk in the area. It's sad, but we have to stop being so p.c. It is not once in a blue moon that you have an encounter with someone you really do not want to deal with in that area. The best hope for residents in the fourth ward regarding walkable retail is West Dallas. Off topic, but here is a pretty cool pic of the area. Kind of dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiDTOWNeR Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 It's sad, but we have to stop being so p.c. It is not once in a blue moon that you have an encounter with someone you really do not want to deal with in that area.AMEN to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watch4Snakes Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 If these are the units going up by the Pierce Elevated, I'd love to see some photos of them posted here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiDTOWNeR Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 it looks like an inner city high school with some palm trees at the leasing office entrance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) **erased original dumb comment**Those apartments look nice in the rendering, but not so nice in real life. Edited June 14, 2007 by Subdude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Hizzy! Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 We demand answers!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 **erased original dumb comment**Those apartments look nice in the rendering, but not so nice in real life.Really? Have they been completed already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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