trymahjong Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Read this in NY times today-- NYTIMES EDUCATION | January 31, 2010 Type-A-Plus Students Chafe at Grade Deflation By LISA W. FODERARO Princeton University's bold vision to corral grade inflation is running into fierce resistance from its Type-A-plus students. This had been a topic of discussion at my house since one of my kids was attending RICE in the 90's. The article is thorough and mainly tells both side of this question--Should 1/2 of the student body make "A's" ----------Princeton Authority said-- NO! when over 50% received A's sometime in the 1990's------apparently no other Ivy league school has followed suit in this direction-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 The students should make whatever grade they make. None of this curve BS. This is another reason why we are all going down the drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20thStDad Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 As an Ivy league school, if your admissions group is doing its job along with professors and counselors, then most students should get A's. This sounds oddly familiar to the nonsense I'm hearing this time of year for performance evaluations and the "tough economy" from the parent company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Judah Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Hrm, not sure I like these "Type-A-plus" students. It used to be the case that you could count on Princeton, but not anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanuman Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Read this in NY times today--NYTIMES EDUCATION | January 31, 2010 Type-A-Plus Students Chafe at Grade Deflation By LISA W. FODERARO Princeton University's bold vision to corral grade inflation is running into fierce resistance from its Type-A-plus students. Great article, and topic! The failure of other ivy league schools to follow, should indicate a factual formula = DON'T. If the shoe doesn't fit = DON'T. In my educational efforts, an A, is an A. I've earned the credits of formal education the hard way, and never based my intellectual prowess on grades, or what the institution regurgitated. I was either smart enough to apply for the task, or in this case discussion, job, or I applied my total talent elsewhere. A mere measure by grade, in, and of, itself is not intelligent, therefore I confer: Princeton "U" Admins ( et alia, "Lol" ) get an, "F" in Life Comprehension, and Identification of Repetitive Stupidity. I agree with Gia Mor'on ( Note to self: Careful to punctuate ) in her assertion of 6 core measurements being the gauge in occupational consideration, Vs. boasting G.P.A.'s. The people, including myself that have moved to, let's call it a, "Princeton Position" ( Aka, P.P. I know what you're thinking! ) were evaluated on a totality of qualifications. I rest my Quill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Sounds like they're getting a good dose of real life effects of the political views many of them probably hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 As an Ivy league school, if your admissions group is doing its job along with professors and counselors, then most students should get A's. This sounds oddly familiar to the nonsense I'm hearing this time of year for performance evaluations and the "tough economy" from the parent company.Right, Ivy League accepts driven well-rounded people, so the vast majority of them should be swinging for the fences all the time. There are other contributing factors that might cause some to falter: alcoholism or other substance abuse, a death in the family, etc. but by and large this should be a very motivated group of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Sounds like they're getting a good dose of real life effects of the political views many of them probably hold.And what might those be? Is there an assumption that all students of elite universities politically lean one way or another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trymahjong Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 Perhaps some of these observations can be asked in this venue? SAVE THE DATE Higher Education Forum hosted by Rep. Ellen Cohen (D-Houston) with special guest Rep. Dan Branch (R-Dallas) Chairman, Texas House of Representatives Higher Educaton Committee 6:00 - 8:00 p.m., Thursday, February 25, 2010 at The Rice School, 7550 Seuss Drive, Houston, 77025 Please join Rep. Ellen Cohen (D-Houston) as she hosts a forum on higher education issuesfrom 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. Thursday, February 25, at The Rice School, 7550 Seuss Drive (map). Special Guest will be Rep. Dan Branch (R-Dallas). Rep. Branch is the chair of the Higher Education Committee on which Rep. Cohen also serves. This session he led the successful efforts to develop more Tier One universities in Texas, reform the Top 10% college admissions law, limit cell phone use in active school zones and provide more interactive technology in public school classrooms. During the forum, Rep. Branch will offer an overview of the 81st Legislative Session and the activities assigned to the Higher Education Committee. For more information, call 713.627.0134 or email info@ellencohen.org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Judah Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 That would be like asking a person with no arms how to hit a golf ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanuman Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 That would be like asking a person with no arms how to hit a golf ball....or a spastic driving a milk truck, for directions? I missed the point > actually. I'd like to pick, "Persons Without Arms" for $500 dollars please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dachmation Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 As an Ivy league school, if your admissions group is doing its job along with professors and counselors, then most students should get A's. This sounds oddly familiar to the nonsense I'm hearing this time of year for performance evaluations and the "tough economy" from the parent company.I wonder about ""doing its job"-- If you taking an "Ivy League" class, the criteria of expectation would be higher wouldn't it? Than a non Ivy League school? Would all professors expect "good work"---If you completed what was expected by your professor, to the expectations the professor stated that would be "good" work. As in any non Ivy League school----but by defination an Ivy League education isn't that is it? So doing all that is required in a fashion the professor expects should warrant perhaps "B or B+" but it seems to me that there would be students that would purposefully distinguish themselves with work that went beyond "Good" just as there would be students that wouldn't meet the criteria the professor stated. It seems probable that 50% of every participant in every classroom would meet the expectations of the teacher--after all it is an Ivy League school but with that said there must be someway for the professor to distinguish and reward "excellence"-- How to do that seems to be the question.I'm afraid that sometimes, being part of an expensive Ivy League system leads to expectations by the students that simply meeting the required expectations of a professor = a grade of A A similar thought process of "legacy acceptance" just because your parent or relative was a student you should be accepted as a student--sometimes at the expense of more qualified candidates.This leads to those anecdotal situations we hear about where TA's in Ivy league schools are sometimes told to "pass" everyone who "turns in their work" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanuman Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 I wonder about ""doing its job"-- If you taking an "Ivy League" class, the criteria of expectation would be higher wouldn't it? Than a non Ivy League school? Would all professors expect "good work"---If you completed what was expected by your professor, to the expectations the professor stated that would be "good" work. As in any non Ivy League school----but by defination an Ivy League education isn't that is it? So doing all that is required in a fashion the professor expects should warrant perhaps "B or B+" but it seems to me that there would be students that would purposefully distinguish themselves with work that went beyond "Good" just as there would be students that wouldn't meet the criteria the professor stated. It seems probable that 50% of every participant in every classroom would meet the expectations of the teacher--after all it is an Ivy League school but with that said there must be someway for the professor to distinguish and reward "excellence"-- How to do that seems to be the question.I'm afraid that sometimes, being part of an expensive Ivy League system leads to expectations by the students that simply meeting the required expectations of a professor = a grade of A A similar thought process of "legacy acceptance" just because your parent or relative was a student you should be accepted as a student--sometimes at the expense of more qualified candidates.This leads to those anecdotal situations we hear about where TA's in Ivy league schools are sometimes told to "pass" everyone who "turns in their work"Aside: Dude, check your spelling & sentence structure, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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