dbigtex56 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 From The New York Times:Gore Shares Peace Prize for Climate Change Work By WALTER GIBBS and SARAH LYALLPublished: October 13, 2007OSLO, Oct. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Gore gets a cold shoulderOne of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize "ridiculous" and the product of "people who don't understand how the atmosphere works".http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/gor...1696238792.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 A critique of Dr. William Grey's work.Gray's paper begins with a quote from Senator Inhofe calling global warming a hoax perpetrated on the American people, and ends with a quote by a representive of the Society of Petroleum Geologists stating that Crichton's State of Fear has "the absolute ring of truth." It is the gaping flaws in the scientific argument sandwiched between these two statements that are our major concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 If a Nobel is good enough for terrorist Yasser Arafat, then by all means, Al deserves one, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 I found this quote (from Coog's link) interesting.He said his beliefs had made him an outsider in popular science."It bothers me that my fellow scientists are not speaking out against something they know is wrong," he said. "But they also know that they'd never get any grants if they spoke out. I don't care about grants."To the contrary, it is entirely possible that his stance against human contribution to Global Warming could have INCREASED his ability to obtain grants from the current administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 This "analysis" sums it up nicely. The prize was more of a statement by the board against Bush, than praise for Shallow Al. Y'all know how the game is played.ANALYSIS-Nobel is sweet revenge for Gore, blow to BushThe Nobel Peace Prize he won on Friday was a blow to U.S. President George W. Bush and his widely criticized environmental policy and will long be savored by the man who lost the bitter 2000 presidential election by a whisker.http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN12207344 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDeb Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 A critique of Dr. William Grey's work.Of course, the folks at RealClimate.org have reason to have the red-ass about his work, seeing as how it's their work that Dr. Grey is critiquing most of the time.And of course, they have a lot of research $$$ at stake in the perpetuation of catastrophic AGW.I found this quote (from Coog's link) interesting.To the contrary, it is entirely possible that his stance against human contribution to Global Warming could have INCREASED his ability to obtain grants from the current administration.Has this administration sponsored a lot of such research work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 seeing as how it's their work that Dr. Grey is critiquing mostRealclimate doesn't publish research, scientists in universities publish research. Realclimate is just a blog. Keep in mind that Dr. Gray's work was not published in a peer reviewed journal, he just posted it on his website. I don't think any real journal would publish an article that starts with a quote from a politician, and ends with a quote from a review of a sci-fi novel. A clear sign that work is politically motivated is when the first line is a quote from a politician. If Gray was smart, he would have left that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDeb Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Realclimate doesn't publish research, scientists in universities publish research. Realclimate is just a blog.....of scientists in universities who publish research that Dr. Grey disagrees with. I am familiar with Realclimate. Several of its contributors are intimately tied with IPCC and I know one in particular is the creator of the dubious "hockey stick" graph.Keep in mind that Dr. Gray's work was not published in a peer reviewed journalBut much of his work is. Besides, in this area, it is MY OPINION that peer review is akin to inbreeding. That is how political it has become.A clear sign that work is politically motivated is when the first line is a quote from a politician.....or funded by a political organization (UN) or receives a political award (Nobel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Has this administration sponsored a lot of such research work?While Gray's Climate research does receive grants, including federal money, Andrew Dessler PhD, an Associate Professor at Texas A&M University in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences believes the apparent source of Dr. Gray's accusation is in fact his inability to secure grant funding which Gray feels he deserves. So, as opposed to my suggestion that his stance could be motivated by a desire to obtain grants from a Global Warming skeptical administration, Dr. Dessler is convinced that his stance is retaliation for not getting funding.In reality, it could be both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDeb Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 While Gray's Climate research does receive grants, including federal money, Andrew Dessler PhD, an Associate Professor at Texas A&M University in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences believes the apparent source of Dr. Gray's accusation is in fact his inability to secure grant funding which Gray feels he deserves. So, as opposed to my suggestion that his stance could be motivated by a desire to obtain grants from a Global Warming skeptical administration, Dr. Dessler is convinced that his stance is retaliation for not getting funding.In reality, it could be both.Could the reality also lie in a third possibility: that of reversing the cause and effect, i.e. he doesn't get funding because of his stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 But much of his work is. Besides, in this area, it is MY OPINION that peer review is akin to inbreeding. That is how political it has become.Which peer reviewed journals do you read? Is your opinion based on reading peer reviewed journals, or... ?My opinion on Gray's article being political is based on the fact that it starts with a quote from a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Congrats to you all for ignoring the fact that this award is a Liberal PR stunt.Keep that head in the sand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 I think it is hilarious, this proves that the Nobel foundation will pick your horse for the right amount of money, first , the babykiller Yasser Arafat, and now the Liar Al Gore ? Good job Mr. Vice President, how does it feel to take away an award that should have gone too a 97 year old woman that risked life and limb against the Nazis to save 2500 children during World War 2. You, Mr.Gore, you have reduced the Nobel Prize to as much value as this paperweight you have on your desk. How do you sleep at night Mr. Gore, FOR SHAME ! ! ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Remeber when they gave the prize for scientific discovery? Now they give it for "raising awareness". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDeb Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Which peer reviewed journals do you read? Is your opinion based on reading peer reviewed journals, or... ?My opinion on Gray's article being political is based on the fact that it starts with a quote from a politician. Sorry I have not been able to give you the detailed answer that your question deserves. I had planned to. Drastic life changes have taken place since Thursday and I haven't had time. I may be scarce the next week or two. I'm sure some of you are devastated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 My opinion on Gray's article being political is based on the fact that it starts with a quote from a politician.Yes. Nevermind that the "award" was given to a career politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webdude Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Good job Gore, its one of the highest honors one can achieve, let the cry baby conservatives continue to smear the award itself and making it a liberal vs conservative thing cause someone they don't like got it. Typical. The award would only be awesome if bush got it (lol at that thought, bush accomplishing something worth awarding.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 That was a great movie (Best in Show). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ V Lawrence Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Remeber when they gave the prize for scientific discovery?Now they give it for "raising awareness". Post of the Year goes to MidtownCoog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbigtex56 Posted October 27, 2007 Author Share Posted October 27, 2007 Remeber when they gave the prize for scientific discovery?Now they give it for "raising awareness". Post of the Year goes to MidtownCoog You might want to rethink that, DJ. To quote from their website: Every year since 1901 the Nobel Prize has been awarded for achievements in physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine, literature and for peace. (The prize for economics was added in 1958.) "Scientific discovery" was never a category. And "raising awareness" is certainly in the tradition of the Peace Prize. Of course, raising awareness in some people is akin to raising the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidtownCoog Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I think he was talking about the obscure movie reference.After her dog retired from the circuit she spent her time "Raising Awareness". Not any specific type of awareness, just "raising awareness". You have seen these people in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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