Gary Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 I am convinced Dallas sucks now. Thanks for the persuasion!No problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallasboi Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 This one is more up-to-date. Three cities also appear in both the downtown and suburban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 This is nothing new...Yet it keeps being brought up as if it's a new discovery or something. We will begin to reap the benifits of a turn around here soon. It is only brought up when you insist that downtown is booming...in spite of the facts. And, yes, some of us do get a kick out of busting your chops, dallasboy. Not necessarily Dallas' chops, just yours. Hey, I'll make you a deal. If you will go away until the turnaround begins, we'll stop bringing up the vacancy rate. Deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted October 7, 2006 Author Share Posted October 7, 2006 It is only brought up when you insist that downtown is booming...in spite of the facts. And, yes, some of us do get a kick out of busting your chops, dallasboy. Not necessarily Dallas' chops, just yours.Hey, I'll make you a deal. If you will go away until the turnaround begins, we'll stop bringing up the vacancy rate. Deal? Don't call him Dallasboy. It is Dallasboi He doesn't respect anything positive I say about Dallas, because, really, I think Dallas is a pretty city and I have friends there, but hate winter so Dallas is out as a permanent location for me. By the way, don't think those Dallasites (?) (sounds pedofile-ish) would use office vacancies against First City Texas if they could, but, hey, Houston is The Energy Capital of the World -- that's how that works. The Dallas "turn around" hasn't happened since that 2001 posting (but maybe in Cedar Springs ). But keep dreamin' By the way, Houstonians, that tall, new Texas Med Ctr building is starting to look really impressive, along with Mosaic's twin 30-story highrise towers overlooking Hermann Park under construction nearby. But, as we all know, Houston is Texas' largest city and must build and get better, accordingly. In the 60s & 70s we changed the world. In the 21st Century, Houston still has the same resolve. Good luck, Dallas. Fort Worth will help you (trust me on this -- you need Fort Worth). Pasadena, Texas has helped Houston and is a great suburb. They have a 30 story highrise going up on Clear Lake that is mind-blowing and many others in the works on the waterfront (Galveston Bay and Clear Lake). Houston doesn't fight with its neighbors, we work together to create a big and inspiring city which we don't have to label "plex" at the end of our Greater Houston. Lots of love from Houston. P.S. The San Jacinto Monument (nation's tallest and the birthplace of Texas) has completed its reconstruction. Catch the elevator to the top to see America's 4th largest city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 o.k .........We all know that you houstonians will never let us forget how high our vacancy rate is...It's been drilled in all of our heads over and over and over and over However I have noticed that some Houstonians seem to get off on that fact. So.... Does that make houston the superior one? Just curious? Or is this just an observation that seems to used against Dallas? This is nothing new...Yet it keeps being brought up as if it's a new discovery or something. We will begin to reap the benifits of a turn around here soon. Good luck with that downtown turn around supposedly coming soon. The world has been hearing that from Dallas-booster types for 20 years... and still we wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spades Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 This one is more up-to-date. Three cities also appear in both the downtown and suburban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted October 8, 2006 Author Share Posted October 8, 2006 Interesting numbers. It will be interesting to see these numbers once the buildings that are being converted to residential will not count against Dallas in a couple of years. I read somewhere on SSP that the vacancy rate will count against Dallas until it is officially opened as a residential condo or apartment. Dallas has alot of that going on right now. Some of them opens in the next few months. Hopefully it works out for them so we can see more of them. And what we will see is there are just so many people willing to move into those types of highrises in the middle of a financial district with few amenities. But I hope Dallas can change all that because they do have so many things going on up there that that could be a huge plus for Dallas. Houston will be a little slower and cautious, but when we get there, we are going to represent First City, Texas very well. Luck to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDtexan Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 P.S. The San Jacinto Monument (nation's tallest and the birthplace of Texas) has completed its reconstruction. Catch the elevator to the top to see America's 4th largest city and Texas' second largest metro area... ...sorry, but it is what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 and Texas' second largest metro area......sorry, but it is what it is That's OK. Our metro is 10 counties and I believe North Texas contains 16 counties up there (probably part of Oklahoma too ) When you add adjacent Bryan-College Station and Beaumont's metros, tack that 500,000+ population to Houston's (still less than 16 counties) and you have 6 million inhabitants. Not saying that it matters one way or the other .... another half million? Won't even notice when you have 5.4 million already. Of course the view from the top of the Monument, on a clear day, you can see Houston's many urban centers and Texas' tallest skylines and one of the largest Ports in the world. Plus they have great food at Monument Inn where you can watch those huge ships ease past your table bringing more goods to Texans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallasboi Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 It is only brought up when you insist that downtown is booming...in spite of the facts. And, yes, some of us do get a kick out of busting your chops, dallasboy. Not necessarily Dallas' chops, just yours.Hey, I'll make you a deal. If you will go away until the turnaround begins, we'll stop bringing up the vacancy rate. Deal? Just wait and see............... You will eat all of those words.(trust me) That's OK. Our metro is 10 counties and I believe North Texas contains 16 counties up there (probably part of Oklahoma too ) When you add adjacent Bryan-College Station and Beaumont's metros, tack that 500,000+ population to Houston's (still less than 16 counties) and you have 6 million inhabitants. Not saying that it matters one way or the other .... another half million? Won't even notice when you have 5.4 million already. Of course the view from the top of the Monument, on a clear day, you can see Houston's many urban centers and Texas' tallest skylines and one of the largest Ports in the world. Plus they have great food at Monument Inn where you can watch those huge ships ease past your table bringing more goods to Texans. Yet you won't let us forget houston is the 4th largest city in America and you keep forgetting that nobody cares Don't call him Dallasboy. It is Dallasboi He doesn't respect anything positive I say about Dallas, because, really, I think Dallas is a pretty city and I have friends there, but hate winter so Dallas is out as a permanent location for me. By the way, don't think those Dallasites (?) (sounds pedofile-ish) would use office vacancies against First City Texas if they could, but, hey, Houston is The Energy Capital of the World -- that's how that works. The Dallas "turn around" hasn't happened since that 2001 posting (but maybe in Cedar Springs ). But keep dreamin' By the way, Houstonians, that tall, new Texas Med Ctr building is starting to look really impressive, along with Mosaic's twin 30-story highrise towers overlooking Hermann Park under construction nearby. But, as we all know, Houston is Texas' largest city and must build and get better, accordingly. In the 60s & 70s we changed the world. In the 21st Century, Houston still has the same resolve. Good luck, Dallas. Fort Worth will help you (trust me on this -- you need Fort Worth). Pasadena, Texas has helped Houston and is a great suburb. They have a 30 story highrise going up on Clear Lake that is mind-blowing and many others in the works on the waterfront (Galveston Bay and Clear Lake). Houston doesn't fight with its neighbors, we work together to create a big and inspiring city which we don't have to label "plex" at the end of our Greater Houston. Lots of love from Houston. P.S. The San Jacinto Monument (nation's tallest and the birthplace of Texas) has completed its reconstruction. Catch the elevator to the top to see America's 4th largest city Thanks for correcting my name......And No we don't need Fortworth,but thats another argument in itself.You can bring up all the magnificent factors about Houston that nobody ever knew or for that matter even care about all you want.People will still draw their own oppinion about Houston.That wont make Houston any more or any less attractive, to me it's all about the personal experiecne that a person has while visiting. So the suburbs of houston can build all the 30 storey towers to the moon and if you are not going Huntsville or Centervill you probably won't see em Don't call him Dallasboy. It is Dallasboi He doesn't respect anything positive I say about Dallas, because, really, I think Dallas is a pretty city and I have friends there, but hate winter so Dallas is out as a permanent location for me. By the way, don't think those Dallasites (?) (sounds pedofile-ish) would use office vacancies against First City Texas if they could, but, hey, Houston is The Energy Capital of the World -- that's how that works. The Dallas "turn around" hasn't happened since that 2001 posting (but maybe in Cedar Springs ). But keep dreamin' By the way, Houstonians, that tall, new Texas Med Ctr building is starting to look really impressive, along with Mosaic's twin 30-story highrise towers overlooking Hermann Park under construction nearby. But, as we all know, Houston is Texas' largest city and must build and get better, accordingly. In the 60s & 70s we changed the world. In the 21st Century, Houston still has the same resolve. Good luck, Dallas. Fort Worth will help you (trust me on this -- you need Fort Worth). Pasadena, Texas has helped Houston and is a great suburb. They have a 30 story highrise going up on Clear Lake that is mind-blowing and many others in the works on the waterfront (Galveston Bay and Clear Lake). Houston doesn't fight with its neighbors, we work together to create a big and inspiring city which we don't have to label "plex" at the end of our Greater Houston. Lots of love from Houston. P.S. The San Jacinto Monument (nation's tallest and the birthplace of Texas) has completed its reconstruction. Catch the elevator to the top to see America's 4th largest city Thanks for correcting my name......And No we don't need Fortworth,but thats another argument in itself.You can bring up all the magnificent factors about Houston that nobody ever knew or for that matter even care about all you want.People will still draw their own oppinion about Houston.That wont make Houston any more or any less attractive, to me it's all about the personal experiecne that a person has while visiting. So the suburbs of houston can build all the 30 storey towers to the moon and if you are not going Huntsville or Centervill you probably won't see em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonDFW Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 That's OK. Our metro is 10 counties and I believe North Texas contains 16 counties up there (probably part of Oklahoma too ) The DFW metro area is 12 counties, not 16. There is a buffer between it and Oklahoma, which you wouldn't think is there with the compaign Oklahoma has to lure Metroplex business and residents. As a curious factoid, those 12 counties are a physically smaller area than the counties that make of metro Houston. I imagine the 16 county number you're coming up with is the 16 counties that the North Central Texas Council of Governments looks at, at DFWinfo.com. The Houston equivalent uses more counties as well. Jason P.S. Red, I haven't been ignoring your post. I've been in SoCal and will try to respond this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 Wikipedia shows DFW with 12 counties in 2005 at 5.8 million; Houston with 10 counties at 5.3 million. Outside DFW's metroplex, there are no adjacent metropolitan areas. Adjacent to Houston there is: Bryan College Station at approx 165,000; Golden Triangle 365,000; and next to that one Lake Charles at 165,000. So basically (and we may be more sprawling down here, but that isn't anything new), the six million people that live on the coast are good folks just like the ones that live 250 miles north of here. It's nice to say Houston is Texas' largest city and the Chamber of Commerce likes that kind of stuff. I don't want to be hatin' because I enjoy the "friendly" (hopefully) rivalry we have. And, Dallasboi (gurrrlll!!!!) to say "no body cares" how big Houston is, because you are having a bad hair day, is just about as stupid as you being on a Houston board with your Dallatude, because I, along with a lot of HAIFers, do care. Dallas was close to Houston in population decades ago. However, there's just something down here on the Bayou that keeps us gaining and gaining. Now, by my calculations, Dallas and Fort Worth proper (city limits only) contain 677 sq miles and 1.9 million people. Houston is around 600 sq miles (square that is) and we have nearly 2.1 people. Also, compare Harris County population with Dallas County. Ouch Dallasboi: you don't care but visit this HOUSTON board over and over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalparadise Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Pasadena, Texas has helped Houston and is a great suburb.Sorry, you lost me at Pasadena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 Sorry, you lost me at Pasadena. You guys don't give credit to your burbs, but rate Fort Worth and Dallas without the burbs and where do you rate? 9th and 33rd or sumpin? We get along with our burbs; sorry, you get lost easily. Good luck with that downtown turn around supposedly coming soon. The world has been hearing that from Dallas-booster types for 20 years... and still we wait Yeah, they try so hard to be as big as Houston, but maybe in 20 years they will turn "it" whatever that might be, around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallasboi Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 You guys don't give credit to your burbs, but rate Fort Worth and Dallas without the burbs and where do you rate? 9th and 33rd or sumpin? We get along with our burbs; sorry, you get lost easily.Yeah, they try so hard to be as big as Houston, but maybe in 20 years they will turn "it" whatever that might be, around. Houstonfella what do you mean "We try so hard to be big as houston"?.....houston is bigger than most cities(New York Included) and it don't make it better than those cities....Come on now!!!!!The city of Atlanta is way smaller than Houston but somehow Houston is always compared to Atlanta.And if smaller means less desireable then why do you go out of your way to let everybody know that Houston is better.....it should be a given because dallas is sooooooooooooooo much smaller than Houston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share Posted October 10, 2006 Houstonfella what do you mean "We try so hard to be big as houston"?.....houston is bigger than most cities(New York Included) and it don't make it better than those cities....Come on now!!!!!The city of Atlanta is way smaller than Houston but somehow Houston is always compared to Atlanta.And if smaller means less desireable then why do you go out of your way to let everybody know that Houston is better.....it should be a given because dallas is sooooooooooooooo much smaller than Houston In 1990: Houston 1,630, 553 In 2005: Houston 2,016,582 +386,029 In 1990: Dallas 1,110,549 In 2005: Dallas 1,213,825 +103,276 I understand the "metroplex" proper is the 5th largest in the U.S. and we're a paltry 7th largest. But, that said, the City of Houston is yo daddy. Like they say, Dallas and Austin have the pretty boys, but Houston is where the men are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoutoDal Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 In 1990: Houston 1,630, 553In 2005: Houston 2,016,582 +386,029 In 1990: Dallas 1,110,549 In 2005: Dallas 1,213,825 +103,276 I understand the "metroplex" proper is the 5th largest in the U.S. and we're a paltry 7th largest. But, that said, the City of Houston is yo daddy. Like they say, Dallas and Austin have the pretty boys, but Houston is where the men are. Houston annexed so much land bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Houston annexed so much land broBetween 1990 and 2005 Houston only annexed about 50,000 people. That still leaves a growth of 336,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Nothing personal, but would you guys shut the hell up? This got juvenile a while back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamtagon Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Nothing personal, but would you guys shut the hell up? This got juvenile a while back.word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tierwestah Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Houstonfella what do you mean "We try so hard to be big as houston"?.....houston is bigger than most cities(New York Included) and it don't make it better than those cities....Come on now!!!!!The city of Atlanta is way smaller than Houston but somehow Houston is always compared to Atlanta.And if smaller means less desireable then why do you go out of your way to let everybody know that Houston is better.....it should be a given because dallas is sooooooooooooooo much smaller than Houston houstonfella is just having a little fun. Just the ol' friendly in- state rivalry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share Posted October 10, 2006 houstonfella is just having a little fun. Just the ol' friendly in- state rivalry. Hey, you are right. A little ribbing to Dallasboi. I know he's a youngster and he's having fun up there in Dallas. No harm intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 The DFW metro area is 12 counties, not 16. There is a buffer between it and Oklahoma, which you wouldn't think is there with the compaign Oklahoma has to lure Metroplex business and residents. As a curious factoid, those 12 counties are a physically smaller area than the counties that make of metro Houston.I imagine the 16 county number you're coming up with is the 16 counties that the North Central Texas Council of Governments looks at, at DFWinfo.com. The Houston equivalent uses more counties as well.JasonP.S. Red, I haven't been ignoring your post. I've been in SoCal and will try to respond this evening.I just saw that Sherman/Denison has been added to the D-FW Combined Metropolitan Area. So by that standard the D-FW metro area (MetroPlex, if you must) does indeed reach the Oklahoma border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalparadise Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Nothing personal, but would you guys shut the hell up? This got juvenile a while back.Good post. This has gone too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share Posted October 10, 2006 Good post. This has gone too far. And you guys are right. Too up close and personal. Who gives a f*** which Texas city is the best. Because we ALL are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonDFW Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I just saw that Sherman/Denison has been added to the D-FW Combined Metropolitan Area. So by that standard the D-FW metro area (MetroPlex, if you must) does indeed reach the Oklahoma border.The DFW Combined Metropolitan area is the combination of the DFW metropolitan area with adjacent metropolitan and micropolitan areas. While I'm sure it has some uses (like airport traffic) it doesn't well represent the urban and suburban fabric of the Metroplex, just like the Houston CMSA doesn't either IMO. The only metros off the top of my head that could be well represented by combining adjacent metros/micros would be the Bay Area and DC. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted October 11, 2006 Author Share Posted October 11, 2006 The DFW Combined Metropolitan area is the combination of the DFW metropolitan area with adjacent metropolitan and micropolitan areas. While I'm sure it has some uses (like airport traffic) it doesn't well represent the urban and suburban fabric of the Metroplex, just like the Houston CMSA doesn't either IMO. The only metros off the top of my head that could be well represented by combining adjacent metros/micros would be the Bay Area and DC. Jason Thanks Jason. You are the only one making sense of all this "we be big" "You be big" stuff." We all are what we are and that's all we can be. I love Texas. I'd move to Dallas in a heart-beat if I got the right offer. Although my heart tells me Houston's my love. And Tierwester, thanks!!!! I think you recognize my allegiance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDtexan Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Wikipedia shows DFW with 12 counties in 2005 at 5.8 million; Houston with 10 counties at 5.3 million. Outside DFW's metroplex, there are no adjacent metropolitan areas. Adjacent to Houston there is: Bryan College Station at approx 165,000; Golden Triangle 365,000; and next to that one Lake Charles at 165,000.If yall take Lake Charles, LA which is 143 miles from Houston, then DFW will take Waco(95 mi. from Dallas) and Temple/Killeen(130 mi. from Dallas) just to make it even...this is thread is ridiculous, sorry to add to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcole Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 If yall take Lake Charles, LA which is 143 miles from Houston, then DFW will take Waco(95 mi. from Dallas) and Temple/Killeen(130 mi. from Dallas) just to make it even...this is thread is ridiculous, sorry to add to itCareful. Houston then may claim Austin (145 miles away) and block DFW's expansion claims to the south... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonfella Posted October 11, 2006 Author Share Posted October 11, 2006 Careful. Houston then may claim Austin (145 miles away) and block DFW's expansion claims to the south... We won't claim Austin but it is nice to be that close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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