Ashikaga Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 The Texas Constitution says that Texas can be divided into five different state because of its vast size, if the people wanted to. But I read yesterday that that would never happen because there would be too much fighting over which new states would get the Alamo, the Dallas Cowboys, and the Houston Texans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Do you have a link ? Where did you read the New Texas Constitution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnu Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Do you have a link ? Where did you read the New Texas Constitution?I believe the provision is in whatever treaty or document was used to annex Texas into the United States in 1845. Not in the Texas Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamHouston Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 To lend a little academia to the conversation, here are my thoughts.The provision allowing for Texas to be split into five states was in the original annexation agreement in 1845 ("The Joint Resolution to Admit Texas as a State", if you will). It is also claimed that this treaty allowed Texas to lawfully secede, but this is false.Moreover, the issue of forming five states is governed by Article IV, Section 3 of the "Old" US Constitution,"New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress"Finally, if I recall, the treaty that contained all of these special exceptions was for the first admission into the Union. Texas re-entered in 1865 under very different terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmainguy Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 As a native Texan, my knowledge seems to go along with SamHouston on this one except for the "old" Constitution. There's only ever been one. However, if it ever came down to who would get the Texans...I'm placing my bets on Idaho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 To lend a little academia to the conversation, here are my thoughts.The provision allowing for Texas to be split into five states was in the original annexation agreement in 1845 ("The Joint Resolution to Admit Texas as a State", if you will). It is also claimed that this treaty allowed Texas to lawfully secede, but this is false.Moreover, the issue of forming five states is governed by Article IV, Section 3 of the "Old" US Constitution,"New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress"Finally, if I recall, the treaty that contained all of these special exceptions was for the first admission into the Union. Texas re-entered in 1865 under very different terms.A little away from the topic but related to your post, and since you seem to have some knowledge on this subject... Do you know how it came about that West Virginia separated from Virginia? I know that it was related divisions among the counties of the state over secession during the Civil War and all, but did they follow the process that was set out in Art. IV, Sec. III? It seems like it would have been difficult to obtain the consent of the Virginia state legislature at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashikaga Posted January 20, 2006 Author Share Posted January 20, 2006 A little away from the topic but related to your post, and since you seem to have some knowledge on this subject... Do you know how it came about that West Virginia separated from Virginia? I know that it was related divisions among the counties of the state over secession during the Civil War and all, but did they follow the process that was set out in Art. IV, Sec. III? It seems like it would have been difficult to obtain the consent of the Virginia state legislature at the time.In Lincoln's view, Virginia's permission wasn't needed because he didn't recognize its government in Richmond as legitimate. Western Virginia mostly consisted of "plain mountain" folks whose interests were different from the rich plantation owners of the eastern Virginia tidewater region. They were just part of the many people who said that the War Between the States was "A rich man's war, but a poor man's fight". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 "A rich man's war, but a poor man's fight". Hmm. Why does that sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Hmm. Why does that sound familiar? Maybe because the same tired line has been used regarding every war in history? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 In Lincoln's view, Virginia's permission wasn't needed because he didn't recognize its government in Richmond as legitimate. Western Virginia mostly consisted of "plain mountain" folks whose interests were different from the rich plantation owners of the eastern Virginia tidewater region. They were just part of the many people who said that the War Between the States was "A rich man's war, but a poor man's fight".Thanks for the info. Just a curious bit of American history that I've always wondered about but never took the opportunity to look up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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