Slick Vik Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Just because it's not on your work commute doesn't mean it doesn't exist.Uh-oh, kid's got a bad cough! Something going around in school? Nah, it must be fracking. Time to move out!Even an Associated Press study showed that fracking didn't pollute water. Show me the affordable housing in the Woodlands, I really want to know. Kid's got a bad cough? You are making a mockery of real, chronic illnesses. Have some shame, that remark was truly digusting. Also, have you actually read into that study? The study released this week, done by scientists at Duke University, suggested that gas drilling causes methane gas to leak into people's water and sometimes their homes (Greenwire, May 9). But methane contamination is not caused by injecting chemicals down the well. It is caused by bad well construction during drilling. But to many outsiders, particularly industry critics, fracking and drilling are the same thing. Advances in fracturing technology made possible the current shale gas drilling boom, so they have taken to lumping all shale gas production under the banner "fracking," deeming it a new form of natural gas drilling. Environmentalists and other industry critics consider this distinction to be nothing more than word games concocted by oil and gas lobbyists. Whatever you call it, they say, gas production is fouling air and water. "When they confine their definition to the single moment of the underground fracturing -- a part of the process that has never been investigated -- they can legally deny the obvious," wrote Josh Fox, director of the anti-drilling documentary "Gasland," in a rebuttal to industry criticism of his film. "Very tricky wording," Fox wrote, "which belies the real truth. Quite deliberately." http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/05/13/13greenwire-baffled-about-fracking-youre-not-alone-44383.html?pagewanted=all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Scientists have for the first time found dangerous levels of radioactivity and salinity at a shale gas waste disposal site that could contaminate drinking water. If the UK follows in the steps of the US "shale gas revolution", it should impose regulations to stop such radioactive buildup, they said. The Duke University study, published on Wednesday, examined the water discharged from Josephine Brine Treatment Facility into Blacklick Creek, which feeds into a water source for western Pennsylvania cities, including Pittsburgh. Scientists took samples upstream and downstream from the treatment facility over a two-year period, with the last sample taken in June this year. Elevated levels of chloride and bromide, combined with strontium, radium, oxygen, and hydrogen isotopic compositions, are present in the Marcellus shale wastewaters, the study found. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/02/dangerous-radioactivity-fracking-waste-pennsylvania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Duke University researchers have published another study that's guaranteed to raise the ire of the energy industry by alleging that fracking increases the risk of drinking water contamination. Jackson and Vengosh say the increased presence of ethane and propane can only by linked to fracking and the evidence is "hard to refute." They analyzed 141 drinking water samples from private wells in Pennsylvania's Marcellus shale basin. “Distance to gas wells was, by far, the most significant factor influencing gases in the drinking water we sampled,” Jackson said in a statement. “The methane, ethane and propane data, and new evidence from hydrocarbon and helium isotopes, all suggest that drilling has affected some homeowners' water." Read more here: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/business/duke-scientists-publish-third-study-linking-fracking-to-tainted-water#storylink=cpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Methane levels in private water wells are, on average, 17 times higher in wells that are within 1,000 feet of a natural gas drilling site. “At least some homeowners who claim that their wells were contaminated by shale gas extraction appear to be right,” he said.The peer-reviewed study was published Monday in the online Early Edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.The authors said it was the first “systematic evidence “of methane contamination of private drinking wells in areas where gas extraction was occurring. http://www.earthworksaction.org/media/detail/duke_study_finds_methane_gas_in_well_water_near_fracking_sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Kid's got a bad cough? You are making a mockery of real, chronic illnesses. Have some shame, that remark was truly digusting. Also, have you actually read into that study? When they started quoting the Gasland director, I quit reading. I am not going to apologize for that comment I made. Disease happens. If they start doing fracking work, coming down with a cough doesn't necessarily mean that fracking caused it, and jumping to the conclusion that fracking did cause it is ridiculous. Besides, it's laughable you call out others for "mockery" and "shame", given your wrath about suburbanites, conservatives, anyone who watches FOX News, etc. etc. Unless you want to start issuing some apologies to the blanket groups you despise, I suggest you stop pretending you have the moral high ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Why don't you go to communities all over the country and see what is happening to families that live nearby to fracking sites? Their water is being contaminated and their kids are getting sick and they have no choice but to move out as a result. I personally have seen it for myself in parts of Texas. Go, I dare you. Is money the only thing that matters to you? I spend most of my out of town leisure time on a ranch that has 100 fracked horizontal wells around or under it. I spend time in towns all over the Eagleford play. Not once have I seen any evidence that fracking causes an issue. Not one person has complained about their water supply, and all of them have wells. There is no substantive evidence that fracking is a threat to water supplies. What communities have you been towhere there are mass migrations out due to alleged issues from fracking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 When they started quoting the Gasland director, I quit reading.I am not going to apologize for that comment I made. Disease happens. If they start doing fracking work, coming down with a cough doesn't necessarily mean that fracking caused it, and jumping to the conclusion that fracking did cause it is ridiculous. Besides, it's laughable you call out others for "mockery" and "shame", given your wrath about suburbanites, conservatives, anyone who watches FOX News, etc. etc.Unless you want to start issuing some apologies to the blanket groups you despise, I suggest you stop pretending you have the moral high ground. Did you not see the other articles I posted from Duke researchers? He is allowed to have his quote. But I understand you hate Obama and liberals so you won't even listen to their viewpoint. Again you are making a mockery of sicknesses of children which is shameful and pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 I spend most of my out of town leisure time on a ranch that has 100 fracked horizontal wells around or under it. I spend time in towns all over the Eagleford play. Not once have I seen any evidence that fracking causes an issue. Not one person has complained about their water supply, and all of them have wells. There is no substantive evidence that fracking is a threat to water supplies. What communities have you been towhere there are mass migrations out due to alleged issues from fracking? I've been to ranches all around Texas as well and seen water being put on fire and kids getting sick after the fracking started. You can deny reality all you want but what's happening is happening and people are expendable to money for getting natural gas out of the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I've been to ranches all around Texas as well and seen water being put on fire and kids getting sick after the fracking started. You can deny reality all you want but what's happening is happening and people are expendable to money for getting natural gas out of the ground.Why is it that everytime someone calls you out on something, you claim "I've been to Place X!" in an attempt to boost your credibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I've been to ranches all around Texas as well and seen water being put on fire and kids getting sick after the fracking started. You can deny reality all you want but what's happening is happening and people are expendable to money for getting natural gas out of the ground. Which ranches and where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Which ranches and where? All over, central texas, north, goliad. People get sucked in by taking the quick money but then regret it once their water supply is poisoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Uh-oh, kid's got a bad cough! Something going around in school? Nah, it must be fracking. Time to move out!Even an Associated Press study showed that fracking didn't pollute water.I'm no expert on the subject, but I've seen reports/videos of flammable water coming out of faucets near by fracking sites, ect.. You think contaminated chemical filled water isn't able to seep into ground water supplies through the fissures they are forming every time they frack a well? Idk for sure but it seems possible, even though it may be unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'm no expert on the subject, but I've seen reports/videos of flammable water coming out of faucets near by fracking sites, ect..You think contaminated chemical filled water isn't able to seep into ground water supplies through the fissures they are forming every time they frack a well? Idk for sure but it seems possible, even though it may be unlikely. It's more than likely, it's happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 All over, central texas, north, goliad. People get sucked in by taking the quick money but then regret it once their water supply is poisoned.Sorry, Google Earth doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Vik Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Sorry, Google Earth doesn't count.Not google earth, real life. Will be in big bend next month also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachanon Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Show me the affordable housing in the Woodlands, I really want to know. Kid's got a bad cough? You are making a mockery of real, chronic illnesses. Have some shame, that remark was truly digusting. Also, have you actually read into that study? Most of The Woodlands' earlier neighborhoods have at least one Section 8 complex and townhomes/condos under 150K. Most of the houses that used to be in this price range are rapidly increasing in price. Much less affordability in Sterling Ridge and Creekside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 In the Eagleford, the fracked sections of the wells tend to be 13,000 feet below ground level, with horizontal sections up to 6,000 feet long. There is no evidence that the fractures propagate out of the Eagleford, because the interfaces between formations usually stop that from happening. There are many layers of rock, each with varying properties. Water wells tend to be shallow, usually under 1,000 feet. The fractures do not propagate through 12,000 feet of rock.Any methane in water is coming from shallower formations, and is not fracking related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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