editor Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat, which decides the official heights of skyscrapers, has changed the way it measures buildings. It used to be that the height was measured from the main entrance. Now it's measured from any significant pedestrian entrance. Here's a link to the explanation: http://www.ctbuh.org/NewsMedia/PR_091117_ChangeHeightCriteria/tabid/1273/language/en-US/Default.aspx It doesn't matter much for the top ten tallest buildings. All it does is push Chicago's Trump Tower ahead of Shanghai's Jin Mao Building. But it should make for quite a shuffle further down the line. Here's the diagram of the current tallest buildings, measured three ways. The first diagram is the one most people go by -- the height to the "architectural top": This shows rankings if measured by the highest occupied floor: This shows the rankings if measured to the tip of the structure: So, now that the Wells Fargo Plaza's sunken garden counts in that building's height, is it enough to push Fargo ahead of the JPMorgan Chase Tower in height? Fargo was 992 feet before. JPMC is 1,002. If I remember correctly, that sunken area is more than ten feet deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Its unquestionably way more than 10 feet deep, so that would make Wells Fargo taller, but I question including it in the building height. Seems kind of silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I think the question shouldn't be 'Which is taller?' but 'Which can pee farther?'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijonmang Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Wells Fargo's daddy can beat up Chase's daddy...Pretty odd change. I personally don't think spires (either architectural or communication based) should be included. Instead just take it to where the actual building mass stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20thStDad Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I think for two buildings that close to each other, there shouldn't be any of that nonsense about sunken levels. Get on top and see which one is...TALLER. That's it. The one with more altitude is taller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strickn Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 (Since we didn't call the thread done once Attica weighed in with the right answer) -Its unquestionably way more than 10 feet deep, so that would make Wells Fargo taller, but I question including it in the building height. Seems kind of silly.Conversely, if a surface stretched our tape measure a distance then it would be pedantic to insist that the distance couldn't count for real. Up until today I had the feel that pedants were exactly the sort of person drawn to be involved in CTBUH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I think for two buildings that close to each other, there shouldn't be any of that nonsense about sunken levels. Get on top and see which one is...TALLER. That's it. The one with more altitude is taller.Assuming relatively flat terrain, that is...which is the case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feufoma Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Chase would still be taller if you count space where there's a significant pedestrian entrance since you would then count the tunnel entrance to Chase because it qualifies as a significant pedestrian entrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Chase would still be taller if you count space where there's a significant pedestrian entrance since you would then count the tunnel entrance to Chase because it qualifies as a significant pedestrian entrance.Sounds fair to me. The depth of the tunnel level on each is roughly the same, so Chase has the advantage again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arisegundo Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Sounds fair to me. The depth of the tunnel level on each is roughly the same, so Chase has the advantage again.It has to be "open-air," which technically that area was for a few hours when Ike blew out the windows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 It has to be "open-air," which technically that area was for a few hours when Ike blew out the windows...So theoretically what if there were a building that could only be entered from a tunnel level with no entrances on the street level? Would it have an altitude of 0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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