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The Shawn Barber deal is official now. "Houstonsemipro - He's there when news breaks"

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while i agree with most of your post. i must say that a person of any class can be a thug, including middle class.

Well I didn't mean to get this thread off topic, but yes, I would call PacMan Jones and a lot of the players NBA thugs.

how many "thugs" do you think are going to go downtown and pay to park just to stand around and "not shop"? how many thugs do you see at Bayou Place - none. How many "thugs" do you see near downtown, period - only at the bus station, and more than thugs, you just see poor minorities.

I guess you weren't downtown a couple a months ago on a Friday or Saturday night. Why you think the downtown organization is cracking down on some of these bars?

I have only been to the Marqui a couple of times and that was during the day. It seemed like a pretty nice place.

Thelma's Barbeque? That's good ole Texas BBQ.

The Houston Pavillians will be a success if it is anything like the Marqee off I-10.

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Is that from the same source as the Ron Dayne report? I haven't seen any links to verify this.

Have St. Patricks Day every Saturday. All of the bars and restaraunts were full at 2:00pm...it was a nice site.

Benjy's has a pretty good brunch. I also like Baby Barnaby's .

so the out of towners, tourists, and young crowd don't eat or drink? what do you have against local establishments?

I didn't say I had anything agains local establishments - in fact, I prefer them. I'm just saying it wouldn't hurt to have a few popular places for the visitors. I never go to Senor Frogs when I'm in Mexico, but that's who gets most of the business because of the popularity. I have seen some younger kids downtown this week for spring break and they didn't know where to go. Like I said...downtown needs variety.

For example, I don't think a Hooters would hurt downtown at all. Actually, I think it would keep people downtown after work.

I'm not a big proponent of Coyote Ugly, but I think it would be nice to have at least some kind of variation downtown. It all can't be just local bars and restaraunts. You do need something for the out of towners, tourist, and young crowd. I'm not saying it has to be like Austins 6th St., but maybe more like 4th St.

My sources still say an upscale restaraunt.

Nobody knows about this guy because he has never played. He was Washington's #1 draft pick in 2002.

There was a Ninfa's on street level at the Allen Center a few years ago and it was overpriced. It is now Don Patron's.

So I guess this means Houston won't be drafting a running back in the 1st round? I think Green is well past his prime. He is not as fast as he used to be and is injury prone now, but it's better than what we had last year. I also think this is the year for Chris Taylor to break out.

I wouldn't mind a few small shops/restaraunts too...just in case I don't want to sit down and eat somewhere and not spend $20.00 on a meal. HP needs a TACO BELL because there isn't one downtown. I could see it now...get off work, buy a shirt on the way home, have a couple of beers with some co-workers after, grab some Taco Bell, and then head out to another place.

Did I mention I want a Taco Bell at HP.

Haha, and although it's 'better', it's not exactly what I was talking about, although they could be included. And you know the sad thing (IMO), it's not just "youth" who dress like that.

Did you say youts? What's a yout?

You guys quit bitching and be happy it's here...it's better than 4 parking lots. Some people ask for something, and then they want even more when they get it!

Well the "unofficial" groundbreaking has already started. They are currently tearing up the parking lot on Dallas & San Jacinto/Caroline.

Seems like that Italian restaurant will be in a nice prime location once Pavilions is done.

Exactly, this will be good for all of downtown businesses. Joesephine's has pretty good food, but a lot of people don't know about it because of it's location. I won't be able to recognize downtown Houston 5 years from now.

Saturday, April 2nd, 2005 @ 12:42pm:

That was the first post on this thread, and I don't think two years of planning is bad for a project like this. I could only imagine what some of you guys were like while waiting for Christmas as a kid.

They even mention a HAIF poster again...

This Blows!

Houston has a national rep for taking down buildings. So why are these eyesores still standing?

musicman and pwright1 are correct.

Actually the only area that I think has sustained its presence of not turning ghetto are the bars around Rice Village.

That's because they never sold out and catered to those kinds of people. Just bars focused towards college students and profesionals - no cover charges, ect...

I you like that seen you will go, and if you want something else, you will go elsewhere. Simple enoughm

Maybe another operator will lease the space. Has anyone heard ?

They will be re-opening this Spring.

You can find place in downtown that rents for a little over $1 per sq. ft. right now. My friend has 600 - 700 sq. ft. efficiency and is paying a little over $700. I wouldn't pay more than $500 a month for that small place - this isn't NY.

I could see those prices if the demand is there...but we aren't there yet.