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Why doesn't Galveston take better care of their beaches?

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tierwestah    7

I saw this thread started by our old buddy greystone08 on SSC. Since he never posts here on HAIF anymore, I thought i'd start the same thread here and see some viewpoints as to why Galveston doesn't take better care of their beaches. Maybe since there's all kinds of new development, hopefully they might start.

This question is more for Galvestonians or anyone who knows about real estate. But why? Why doesn't the city of Galveston take better care of their beaches. Galveston is perceived as "gross" by a lot of visitors and even people who live their. Most of the time when i go down there, the sand looks caked up and muddy, there's alot of seaweed washing on the coast and weeds growing up on the shoreline.

What's the problem? Galveston could be more of a tourist spot and is working on becoming one. More and more new developers are coming in trying to snatch up some of their property. Do you think the demand will cause Galveston to get its act together?

Thoughts please...

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Pumapayam    96
I saw this thread started by our old buddy greystone08 on SSC. Since he never posts here on HAIF anymore, I thought i'd start the same thread here and see some viewpoints as to why Galveston doesn't take better care of their beaches. Maybe since there's all kinds of new development, hopefully they might start.

Galveston will ALWAYS be dirty, it gets the direct current from the Mississippi river.

Clean up the Mississippi, and Galveston will get cleaned up too.

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Pumapayam    96
so my 9th grade health teacher was wrong? it isnt the Mississippi run-off?

How could you do this to me Mr. Ermis!

That is what I was told too! :o

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brerrabbit    3

Not necessarily the Mississippi river but certainly the Sabine, the Trinity, the San Jacinto, the Brazos, and the Colorado all add to the problem. That combined with the fact that the Gulf is very shallow comparitivly speaking to other gulfs and oceans. It takes almost ten miles off shore to get past the hundred foot depth mark. Add it all up and you get murky water that deposits darker sand onto the beaches giving it a "dirty" look.

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MidtownCoog    3

Greystone is ecologically clueless.

It'd be one thing if there was trash everywhere.

Haven't we had this conversation before?

I'll be in JB this weekend rain or shine.

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TAK    3

they could still rake the sand, making it appear a little nicer - breaking up the "sand cakes" and getting the seaweed (or whatever it is) and whatever other unsightly crap there is moved...

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editor    674
Its the dark sand. Truck in white sand and you will have the bahamas.

Regardless of the color of the sand, it would be nice if the city would pick up the trash. I understand they leave the seaweed there to control erosion, but I don't think that oil company hard hats, plastic bottles, and bits of styrofoam coolers are part of Mother Nature's plan to keep the sand from washing away.

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Trae    101

Import sand like they do in Florida. White sand would look nice in Galveston.

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RedScare    1,639
Import sand like they do in Florida. White sand would look nice in Galveston.

Well, then it wouldn't be Galveston, would it?

I've talked to several Galvestonians, and they have suggested that those that want fake beaches go to Florida where fake beaches are all the rage. This is a win-win scenario. Fake beach lovers will have a great time in Florida, and real beach lovers will enjoy a less crowded Galveston.

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HtownWxBoy    48
Well, then it wouldn't be Galveston, would it?

I've talked to several Galvestonians, and they have suggested that those that want fake beaches go to Florida where fake beaches are all the rage. This is a win-win scenario. Fake beach lovers will have a great time in Florida, and real beach lovers will enjoy a less crowded Galveston.

Well the so called "fake" beaches are so much more beautiful to look at and more comfortable to lay out on, too... just my opinion.

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webdude    0
Well the so called "fake" beaches are so much more beautiful to look at and more comfortable to lay out on, too... just my opinion.

Anyway, which one would be easier to pretty up, the sand or the water? I am sure its not asking too much to have at least one of them not suck.

How much work would be involved to do either one?

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moni    1
Well the so called "fake" beaches are so much more beautiful to look at and more comfortable to lay out on, too... just my opinion.

That is a very true statement. You know, sometimes a city such as Galveston just needs a little push to go in the right direction. Letters to the Editor regarding "trashy beaches" would help. Also, as the city builds up with all these new high rise condos, hotels, and possible casinos, the investors will insist that the beaches look as good as possible and it will follow. In the meantime, am a great believer in calls to the city and editorials, they have worked for me in my area.

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CDeb    14
Anyway, which one would be easier to pretty up, the sand or the water? I am sure its not asking too much to have at least one of them not suck.

How much work would be involved to do either one?

Well, "prettying up" the water would involve damming up the Mississippi or reversing the prevailing currrent in the Gulf of Mexico.

I doubt either is a weekend project. ;)

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MidtownCoog    3
oil company hard hats, plastic bottles, and bits of styrofoam coolers are part of Mother Nature's plan to keep the sand from washing away.

Oy frekin vey!

Take pictures for me next time, will ya?

Becuase I am not buying it.

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webdude    0
Well, "prettying up" the water would involve damming up the Mississippi or reversing the prevailing currrent in the Gulf of Mexico.

I doubt either is a weekend project. ;)

Would it help just to dam up the Mississippi without reversing the current? The current just prevents the stuff from the Mississippi river from flowing out or does the current also bring crap in?

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editor    674
Well, then it wouldn't be Galveston, would it?

I've talked to several Galvestonians, and they have suggested that those that want fake beaches go to Florida where fake beaches are all the rage. This is a win-win scenario. Fake beach lovers will have a great time in Florida, and real beach lovers will enjoy a less crowded Galveston.

Great move, Galveston. By sticking to "real" beaches, they're really hurting Florida's tourist economy. I bet Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Saint Pete Beach, and Key West are going to turn into ghost towns any day now that people know they're sunning themselves on "fake" beaches.

In the words of Marshall Field, "Give the woman what she wants."

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Vertigo58    20

Whats strange is when you are in one of the hotels on the seawall and look out towards the Gulf it can appear blue. Its been a few years that I have been up there but we were like what? did the hotel tint the windows for that effect? Hilarious. :lol:

Honestly though, Galvez has imported white sand before must have been about 10 years ago I recall. The storms constantly wash away most improvements so I believe the locals know its a waste of $ and time to make appear as a FLA beach. As far as trash is concerned it was agreat idea to ban glass bottles 1st of all. Nothing like a bloody foot while trying to frolic in the surf. Plastic bags being banned is next, they get caught up on animals beaks, etc. Sticking to topic, I am sure Galvez wants to takle better care but its all about volunteer efforts and manpower which there is always a shortage.

By the way the new causeway looks nice and modern but it purposely was designed to block drivers from viewing the Gulf, not very nice. :( Glad we got to enjoy the old one, seeing the bay was part of the excitement and allure of arriving in Galveston. What gives?

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TJones    39

Bottomline is that Galveston doesn't rake the beaches every morning because Tillman Fertita won't pay for it to be done. I keep saying that Galveston should take this ONE page from Mississippi Gulf Coast shores and rake the beaches at least 3 times a week. Take the debris(driftwood, seaweed, natural stuff, NOT bottles and cans), and build dunes with it.

Find a way to create 9 $30,000 a year jobs. That's 3 teams of 3, with nice new Tractors or convert some old ones in the motorpool. Yes, it is about a $500k a year to keep the beaches clean, but what does anyone think the projected return revenue would or could be from potential tourists and Houstonians alike that would go to Galveston more, if you have clean beaches, NOT pristine, "WOW, this looks like Hawaii!" beaches, just clean, no seaweed to get tangled up in or no soda cans and empty pork rind bags strewn all over, beaches ?

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Vertigo58    20

I strongly believe that Texas needs to compare itself to other coastal towns, this is how we learn.

I was greatly impressed with the west coast (as much as others here knock it). The beaches for example in Santa Monica dont allow cars near the sand or near the edge of the water like we do. That would be the first place to start cut down or eliminate auto access. Well, not truly ban cars but have nice large parking areas so tourists can carry belongings. Rest rooms in most locals are elevated and made of concrete. Our's should be made solid so storms dont destroy and have to be rebuilt.

Anyway keeping autos farther away is a start.

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TJones    39
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Is that George Michaels parked in that white truck ?

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webdude    0
Is that George Michaels parked in that white truck ?

no, its someone visiting from texas, he could be visiting george though

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RedScare    1,639
Great move, Galveston. By sticking to "real" beaches, they're really hurting Florida's tourist economy. I bet Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Saint Pete Beach, and Key West are going to turn into ghost towns any day now that people know they're sunning themselves on "fake" beaches.

In the words of Marshall Field, "Give the woman what she wants."

Key West - 2.5 million annual visitors

Galveston - 6 million annual visitors

Emerald Coast 7 million annual visitors

The Emerald Coast is over 100 miles long, and includes Fort Walton, Destin and Pensacola. Galveston does very well considering its lack of marketing. Florida advertises itself as one big, long continuous beach. It advertises its beaches everywhere. When one thinks Florida, one thinks beach.

Texas? Cowboys, cattle, oil. Rarely does the state advertise its beaches. Galveston must go it alone. Even so, it outgains Destin, Pensacola and Fort Walton individually, as well as Key West.

Galveston needs to clean up its image, to be sure. It cannot do anything about its water or sand.

BTW, show me the trash on the beach. Here's a few webcams for your perusal.

http://www.galveston.com/webcams/

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MidtownCoog    3

You go, Red!

And Galveston does groom its beaches! But all of y'all are still sleeping when they do it.

Do you expect to see the groom the beaches in the middle of the day while people are there?

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TJones    39

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My God, You are right, these two beaches are virtually twins !

How about frolicking in front of the Flagship ?

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Yeah, that looks like a goodtime there. Nevermind the seaweed, apparently it was the beachcombers day off ?

Apparently, there are alot of people like me, that wouldn;t go out of their way to actually take photos of TRASH on the beach. Who wants to show their kids hangin' out by that stuff, but here is a nice picture of the Jetties.

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mikeybob2    0

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Man, you can sure tell when the tourists have been here...most Galveston residents (such as myself) respect our environment and clean up after ourselves. Hell, most of us don't even go to the beach. A lot of the trash washes up from other coastal communities as well (but most of it drives down).

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MidtownCoog    3

That's not exactly the Beach, Boy, now is it?

No sand? That's Seawall.

TJones knows you can't groom rocks every day. Those toothless wonders a couple of states over don't even have a Seawall, and they paid dearly for it.

And a picture of the "No Swim" beach near Flagship? The only punks who go under there are the surfers on the other side.

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MidtownCoog    3

And if we'd like to start another debate, 1/2 that trash is from Buffalo Bayou.

And if not exactly in Galveston, then in the Bay.

Think about it.

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Vertigo58    20

The very idea of grooming rocks just cracks me up. Like sifting through sand? (pun)

Thens there nothing like stepping on a syringe while basking in the sun I say :D

Bottom line is Galvez is all we have nearby so we have to just like it and just enjoy what we have. Could be worse what if we were in the midwest where they lust for any beach. Let's just imagine we have a beach like the ones in those neat Corona commercials. :rolleyes:

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TJones    39
And if we'd like to start another debate, 1/2 that trash is from Buffalo Bayou.

And if not exactly in Galveston, then in the Bay.

Think about it.

But it is in Galveston, that pic of all the trash is off the seawall. Throw some convicts out there to clean it up at lowtide. As far as the Flagship, I see no Surfers in that pic, I agree that they surf that area also, but are you saying that Surfers are lesser beings and don't deserve a clean beach. What of the tourists walking on the seawall looking into the Gulf, you think they don't deserve to look at a nice beach even if they can't swim in the water there ?

I can see it now, "Come on Margaret, let's go down to Galveston and watch the seaweed roll back and forth in the surf like oldtimes !"

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MidtownCoog    3

I am saying that you took a picture of the most crappy part of the Seawall.

Not a groomed beach which you can find at Stewart.

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TJones    39
I am saying that you took a picture of the most crappy part of the Seawall.

Not a groomed beach which you can find at Stewart.

Stewart and East beach are probably the only two that actually get any attention at all, but aren't those privately owned ? Try going out 18 mile rd. where Jamaica beach and the other public beaches are, they look like Hell. I don't know, maybe it is just me, because I was spoiled for awhile because I played many a weekend on the Mississippi Coast beaches and Key West beach in my 20's

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RedScare    1,639
Stewart and East beach are probably the only two that actually get any attention at all, but aren't those privately owned ? Try going out 18 mile rd. where Jamaica beach and the other public beaches are, they look like Hell. I don't know, maybe it is just me, because I was spoiled for awhile because I played many a weekend on the Mississippi Coast beaches and Key West beach in my 20's

Oh, you mean Fort Zachary Taylor Beach in Key west?

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You forgot to mention that swim shoes are required, since the beach and ocean floor are covered with coral shells. There ARE a couple of spots, like Smathers Beach, a few hundred yards long, that have imported sand, so that one can walk barefoot, but the majority of Key West is left natural. This means seaweed, as seen above, and coral. It is also generally not white sand.

Most people I've talked to are OK with that. But, Galveston gets a bad rap. People have it set in their minds what a beach SHOULD look like, and trash everything that does not match the beaches on the TV commercials. Should Hawaii bring in white sand to cover its black sand beaches?

The trash is a problem, and it is a big reason why I have volunteered a couple of times on cleanup day over the years. But, the sand is what it is. Blame Texas for having clay in its soil, not Galveston.

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TJones    39

Yes, Smather's Beach, and you conveniently forgot to add a picture of it. This is what a beach should look like. my father lived on Big Coppit Key, he ran the Casino/Party boat that left out of Key West. I would Spring Break down there, and do the Duvalle crawl everynight.

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Fort Zachary is NOT a fun and sun beach it is for Divers and Snorkelers.

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Vertigo58    20

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Sure wish I were here now!

By the way Everyone:

AIA Houston is having the annual Build a Sandcastle Event. Below is the Advertisement:

Sandcastle : Take off your boots and put on your bathing suit! There will be 27 sponsors and 81 teams. Call the office to participate - 713-520-0155. See you on East Beach in Galveston, Jun 2 from dawn to dusk.

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wxman    524

Mikeybob2...Those pics were hillarious!!! :lol: . When talking about vistiors...most of those are Houstonians who can't afford to drive anywhere else. As someone who lives here, I wouldn't go to Galveston (for pleasure) to save my life. We do drive the 628 miles to Destin, FL were you can lay in sand instead of laying on sand that's hard as concrete. Brown is Galveston's como. I believe many other people would drive away as well if gas wasn't so expensive. There's not very many beaches that have one of the nations largest cities 47 miles up the road. Also some vegitation would be nice, you know, palm trees and such. Refer to the pics of Key West above.

Rivers drain in other parts of the country...not just the Texas Coast. There is no excuse, besides lazyness, why the beaches look the way they do. If they'd clean them up and clean that town up, people would be tempted to go there and development would also boom. The more development, the more people that come. Raise the standards! The Mississippi coast (pre Katrina) had brown water as well, but the beaches were nice and the town of Biloxi was clean and had lots of stuff to do! I'd go back. I'd go there before I would ANY Texas beach...that includes South Padre.

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MidtownCoog    3
When talking about vistiors...most of those are Houstonians who can't afford to drive anywhere else.

Never heard of a day trip?

I think a lot of us actually own property down there. I do.

I would not drive to Florida if it were only 6 miles away and gas was free.

If I had to resort to driving to a beach vacation, Padre Island would win every time.

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wxman    524

Oh yes because South Padre Island is so beautiful...ok. Little do you know the Florida beaches for the most part are natural. This is from Wikipedia...

Destin's White Beaches--Destin is famous for its white sand beaches. The sand is some of the whitest in the world. The sand actually comes from the Appalachian mountains. Residue flows down the Apalachicola River and is deposited into the Gulf of Mexico. Because of the currents the sand drifts west and settles from east of Panama City to the Alabama coast.

Destin, FL-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Destinflorida.jpg

Galveston, TX-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USA_Gal...on_beach_TX.jpg

Ok buddy, you need your eyes checked.

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MidtownCoog    3

I've been to Destin. It's a crap drive through a crap part of the country. 12 hours! And really, how often does anyone have time for a 12 hour road trip?

And while the beaches may be pretty, their special brand of Redneck makes the bubbas from Alabama and Mississippi look civilized.

I'll levave Florida and the Redneck Riveria for you to enjoy.

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lwood    6
Mikeybob2...Those pics were hillarious!!! :lol: . When talking about vistiors...most of those are Houstonians who can't afford to drive anywhere else. As someone who lives here, I wouldn't go to Galveston (for pleasure) to save my life. We do drive the 628 miles to Destin, FL were you can lay in sand instead of laying on sand that's hard as concrete. Brown is Galveston's como. I believe many other people would drive away as well if gas wasn't so expensive. There's not very many beaches that have one of the nations largest cities 47 miles up the road. Also some vegitation would be nice, you know, palm trees and such. Refer to the pics of Key West above.

Rivers drain in other parts of the country...not just the Texas Coast. There is no excuse, besides lazyness, why the beaches look the way they do. If they'd clean them up and clean that town up, people would be tempted to go there and development would also boom. The more development, the more people that come. Raise the standards! The Mississippi coast (pre Katrina) had brown water as well, but the beaches were nice and the town of Biloxi was clean and had lots of stuff to do! I'd go back. I'd go there before I would ANY Texas beach...that includes South Padre.

Wow.

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wxman    524

Ok...what is so beautiful about Galveston?? It's industry, graveyards, hobo's, government housing, brown beaches next to brown waters that resemble my toilet bowl after a dinner at Panchos...maybe it's new Causeway and a highrise hotel? If I want natural, I can stay at home in The Woodlands and look at natural all day. Nothing is natural anymore...not even the boobs girls have that I go and look at. If Galveston and Destin were 6 miles apart, you'd drive to Galveston?????????? :rolleyes:

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RedScare    1,639

A few years back, I drove back home to North Carolina, checking out the Appalachians and the Outer Banks. Those who know North Carolina, know that they are obsessive about not encroaching on nature. There is NO construction in the sand dunes, and a height restriction on buildings...nothing over 4 stories.

On the way home, we drove through Myrtle Beach...great, if you like titty bars and golf courses...though the beach itself is still pretty nice. We spent a couple of nights in Destin. Despised it! Highrises built right in the middle of the sand dunes, and that campy, master planned development look and feel that only Southerners can appreciate. Even my girlfriend at the time, who had gushed over getting to see Destin, hated it. Don't get me wrong. The sand was white, the water clear, and if your idea of communing with nature is riding your golf cart across a fairway, Destin is for you. But, if you believe a beach should include marshes, wetlands, sawgrass and those other things that nature does, forget it. St. Augustine grass butting up against the beach is not for me.

And, yes, the PEOPLE there are priceless!

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TheNiche    961
Rivers drain in other parts of the country...not just the Texas Coast. There is no excuse, besides lazyness, why the beaches look the way they do.

There is an excuse. It's called the Beaumont Formation. Please do your research before making ridiculous statements--or I will ridicule them.

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Gary    223

First of all, some of these posts are made in almost absolute ignorance. I'm in Galveston at least twice a month, and it is not a trash bin like some of you here claim, in fact if your in the proper areas it's very clean. Imo it shows that most of these negative statements are not made from constant experience, but from following a stereotype.

Give me the feel and atmosphere of old Galveston anyday. Give me the great fishing at the 61st street pier, and give me people that don't act like absolute hillbillies.

By the way, for you that have no clue, Galveston does actually get blue with the winds prevail Southeast.

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islander    0

I far prefer the cool breezes of the coast and the organic feel of Galveston rather than the homogenous nature of somewhere like The Woodlands. Also, I used to own a home in Destin---it really has one of the most beautiful beaches in the world. However, what do you do when you don't go to the beach? The fishing is great, but then what? If you're in to golf, then they have plenty to offer there as well. However, Galveston has MUCH more to offer than a typical beach town and if you can't appreciate the historical background or the cultural activities that are offered here, then you obviously would prefer a squeaky clean, sterile environment.

This place is making remarkable progress - realize that until 3-4 years ago, over 50% of the property here was not on the tax rolls because it was owned by universities or non-profits. So, it's difficult to catch up when you have had NO MONEY or have to rely on the few private property owners to provide services for the rest of the non-taxpaying property owners. Give it time - we're lucky to have a place like the island so close by.

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FilioScotia    113
Galveston will ALWAYS be dirty, it gets the direct current from the Mississippi river. Clean up the Mississippi, and Galveston will get cleaned up too.

Actually, the Gulf Stream flows north and northeast along the Texas coast and follows it east across the mouth of Mississippi to the eastern gulf, and then out through the Florida strait into the Atlantic. There it turns north to Cape Hatteras NC and and then slowly veers out into the north Atlantic.

We can thank the Gulf Stream for keeping the effluent of the Mississippi away from the Texas coast. Someone else here has pointed out that our waters are so dirty looking because the water is so shallow and the bottom is always getting churned up by the currents.

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