pachanga Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 An friend of mine is closing on a townhouse that is the location of Houston's famous "icebox murders" in 1965. The house where the murders took place has been replaced with a townhouse. The sellers did not disclose this information to the purchasers. Charles Rogers lived with his parents, butchered them and left their body parts in the refrigerator (icebox) and disappeared. He has never been found. The links below show that he was CIA and maybe connected to the JFK assassination. Also, a newscast showing the new townhouse sitting unsold.My question is, should this information have been disclosed to the buyers? It probably will effect the value of the property.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Rogers_(murder_suspect)http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/106464-the-john-f-kennedy-assassination-the-three-tramps.htmlhttp://www.houstonunsolved.com/index.php?topic=3.0http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/special/021611-The-Tex-Files-Icebox-Murders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Why would it effect (sic) the value of the property? The icebox...and the house...are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachanga Posted August 8, 2011 Author Share Posted August 8, 2011 Why would it effect (sic) the value of the property? The icebox...and the house...are gone.I don't think I would sleep well there knowing what took place there in 1965. Did you see the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksmu Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 An friend of mine is closing on a townhouse that is the location of Houston's famous "icebox murders" in 1965. The house where the murders took place has been replaced with a townhouse. The sellers did not disclose this information to the purchasers. Charles Rogers lived with his parents, butchered them and left their body parts in the refrigerator (icebox) and disappeared. He has never been found. The links below show that he was CIA and maybe connected to the JFK assassination. Also, a newscast showing the new townhouse sitting unsold.My question is, should this information have been disclosed to the buyers? It probably will effect the value of the property.http://en.wikipedia....(murder_suspect)http://www.usmessage...ree-tramps.htmlhttp://www.houstonun...x.php?topic=3.0http://www.myfoxdfw....-Icebox-MurdersI think you may be looking for something where nothing exists. I see no impact at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fringe Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Interesting. I remember the incident. I did not realize he was never caught. It wouldn't bother me to live in the townhouse. The original house yes, but it's been gone for almost 40 years so I don't know what's the big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west20th Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I remember that I looked at an apartment in the complex where the Karla Faye Tucker murders took place. May have been THE apartment for all I knew. I didn't know about it at the time and the manager wasn't sharing. Luckily I took another place down the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I rented a place in Fort Worth where the previous occupant died on the couch. Never bothered me a bit. And this was a guy who died IN the duplex 3 weeks before I moved in. If you're creeped out about living in new construction where the murder occurred 46 years ago in a house that no longer exists, well, I probably shouldn't print what I am thinking, but something along the lines of, "grow a pair", would be appropriate.Note to west20th: I worked right down the street from those apartments. My brother served on the jury that sent her to the gurney. He was interviewed on CNN during the circus just before she died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 It's interesting (or creepy) to find out the history of place. I found out years later that my bedroom in the house I spent most of my childhood in was where a previous owner's child committed suicide (maybe 20-30 years prior). I'm not sure if it was disclosed to my parents when they bought it (apparent suicide and not a homicide) and withheld from me because of my age or if they found out later as well.What's the law on this? Is there an expiration on giving disclosures like this? Is it only for crime-related deaths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 What's the law on this? Is there an expiration on giving disclosures like this?No requirement to disclose natural deaths or suicides, or accidental deaths UNLESS the accident was due to a defect in the home. Murders are not mentioned in the law at all, leaving it unclear whether they must be disclosed at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I rented a place in Fort Worth where the previous occupant died on the couch. Never bothered me a bit. And this was a guy who died IN the duplex 3 weeks before I moved in. If you're creeped out about living in new construction where the murder occurred 46 years ago in a house that no longer exists, well, I probably shouldn't print what I am thinking, but something along the lines of, "grow a pair", would be appropriate.Could it be possible that he saw too many if the poltergeist movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachanga Posted August 8, 2011 Author Share Posted August 8, 2011 http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/special/021611-The-Tex-Files-Icebox-Murders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgriff Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Why would it effect (sic) the value of the property? The icebox...and the house...are gone.If everyone had that attitude it wouldn't have any effect. Logic doesn't matter. There are people out there who think it makes a difference therefore it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0123 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 So is the concern that a geriatric old man might show up one day and try to repeat what he did to his parents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachanga Posted August 9, 2011 Author Share Posted August 9, 2011 So is the concern that a geriatric old man might show up one day and try to repeat what he did to his parents?i don't know for sure if it is the geriatric old man showing up or the geriatric spirits from the people that were butchered there.....that would cause someone to maybe buy somewhere else.....there are plenty of other choices that don't have this issue.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 An friend of mine is closing on a townhouse that is the location of Houston's famous "icebox murders" in 1965. The house where the murders took place has been replaced with a townhouse. The sellers did not disclose this information to the purchasers. Charles Rogers lived with his parents, butchered them and left their body parts in the refrigerator (icebox) and disappeared. He has never been found. The links below show that he was CIA and maybe connected to the JFK assassination. Also, a newscast showing the new townhouse sitting unsold.My question is, should this information have been disclosed to the buyers? It probably will effect the value of the property.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Rogers_(murder_suspect)http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/106464-the-john-f-kennedy-assassination-the-three-tramps.htmlhttp://www.houstonunsolved.com/index.php?topic=3.0http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/special/021611-The-Tex-Files-Icebox-Murders1. You are assuming the current owner knew about it. If there is no knowledge, there is obviously no duty to disclose.2. Even if the current owner knew about it, there is no duty to disclose a murder that took place in a building that formerly occupied a lot. In the case of a townhouse occupying 1/2 of a former bungalow lot, does anyone really even know that the murders took place on this particular townhouse's lot?3. It will not have a material effect on the townhouse's value and even that minimal effect will diminish over time. To the extent there is any effect on the market value, it aleady has occurred, and your friend is benefiting from that reduced value.It sounds as if your friend might be looking for justification for not closing. You should advise your friend to man up and fulfill his/her contractual obligations. This is not a justification for terminating a real estate purchase contract. Failing to close will expose your friend to a suit for damages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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