KimberlySayWhat Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 (edited) http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stori...14/daily19.html1. Los Angeles 2. Washington/Baltimore3. San Francisco Bay4.New York City5. Dallas-Fort Worth 6.7.8.9.10.11. Houston-Galveston-Brazoria 12.13.14.15.16.17. San Antonio Edited November 15, 2005 by KimberlySayWhat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Dallas 5th worst? I can't wait for all the posts saying it's Ft. Worth's fault! So, Houston is 11th out of 20? For all the bitching we do about suburbs, that ranking is decidedly average. Not great, but not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 I'd like to think as "sprawled" out as we are, there is at least some continuation of "low-level density" through out most of the metro area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunstar Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 (edited) It seems as though this study is focused solely on the economic factors of sprawl, which is to say that New York and San Francisco don't have greater sprawl than Houston per se, but the economic impact on those cities due to sprawl is greater. Edited November 15, 2005 by Sunstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Hizzy! Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Sprawl was SO bad in the Houston area during the 60s and 70s that now a lot of once empty swaths of land are being filled up, somewhat mitigating the overall affect of low density development in the metropolitan area. It's still low density development, but like the large housing development just east of I-45 in Greenspoint, it's filling in huge swaths of long dormant and unused land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 (edited) Dallas 5th worst? I can't wait for all the posts saying it's Ft. Worth's fault! So, Houston is 11th out of 20? For all the bitching we do about suburbs, that ranking is decidedly average. Not great, but not bad. .......and to think with all of Dallas' forward thinking and "ZONING", they have failed miserably. Let the beatings..........begiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnn ! From this point on, Dallas-FW, will now be known as Sprawllas-FW. Edited November 15, 2005 by TJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunstar Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 .......and to think with all of Dallas' forward thinking and "ZONING", they have failed miserably. Let the beatings..........begiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnn ! From this point on, Dallas-FW, will now be known as Sprawllas-FW. I don't think we're in a position to be pointing fingers at anyone on this topic. Let's just be glad that for once we didn't end up at the top of a worst-of list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 I don't think we're in a position to be pointing fingers at anyone on this topic. Let's just be glad that for once we didn't end up at the top of a worst-of list. 5th to 11th is a considerable distance when you are only comparing 20 of anything chief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 It seems as though this study is focused solely on the economic factors of sprawl, which is to say that New York and San Francisco don't have greater sprawl than Houston per se, but the economic impact on those cities due to sprawl is greater. OK, so we have cheaper sprawl than Dallas? We are the WalMart of Sprawl. Dallas is the Target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YakuzaIce Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 .......and to think with all of Dallas' forward thinking and "ZONING", they have failed miserably. Let the beatings..........begiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnn ! From this point on, Dallas-FW, will now be known as Sprawllas-FW. Ok, lets try and keep one thread that mentions dallas open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonDFW Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Dallas 5th worst? I can't wait for all the posts saying it's Ft. Worth's fault! Honestly I wouldn't put the blame on anybody until I knew exactly what is being measured, and how it is being measured. For instance you could weight distances in many ways... does 1 person 20 miles out equal 2 10 miles out? I assume a model would be more complex than that but I don't see anything that say what is really being measured and I don't want to know bad enough to spend $25 on it. Something is a little unusual about San Francisco being ranked so high for sprawl. Its not even clear what areas of SF are being measured, but it must be some sort of combination of two metros because no way SF is worse than San Jose. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 (edited) Honestly I wouldn't put the blame on anybody until I knew exactly what is being measured, and how it is being measured. For instance you could weight distances in many ways... does 1 person 20 miles out equal 2 10 miles out? I assume a model would be more complex than that but I don't see anything that say what is really being measured and I don't want to know bad enough to spend $25 on it.Something is a little unusual about San Francisco being ranked so high for sprawl. Its not even clear what areas of SF are being measured, but it must be some sort of combination of two metros because no way SF is worse than San Jose. Jason I like Jason's optimism, but the study apparently is about the economic impact of urban sprawl on major cities. So, what the study is saying, is that if Dallas didn't have as much sprawl as they do, they would be making more money in the area. San Francisco is ranked so high because of the value of the land in the area. The cost of living is much less here in Houston than Dallas, hence the lower ranking for us. No silverlining for Dallas on this one Jason. If all the proposed projects I have seen posted here for Dallas come to fruition, you guys will definately lose a couple of rankings. Edited November 15, 2005 by TJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westguy Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 The density in Houston is in an unexpected location. Uptown? Nope. Midtown? Nope. Downtown? Nope. Montrose? Nope.Chimney Rock & Bellaire is the epicenter of Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelimon Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 The density in Houston is in an unexpected location. Uptown? Nope. Midtown? Nope. Downtown? Nope. Montrose? Nope.Chimney Rock & Bellaire is the epicenter of Houston.Why is that because you live there or because the traffic is horrible there at rush hour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westguy Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I don't live there, and it is not because of traffic. I know that it has by far the highest population density in Houston. It's also technically sprawl because its so far from the city center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominax Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 (edited) http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stori...14/daily19.html1. Los Angeles 2. Washington/Baltimore3. San Francisco Bay4.New York City5. Dallas-Fort Worth 6.7.8.9.10.11. Houston-Galveston-Brazoria 12.13.14.15.16.17. San AntonioFill the rest of the cities in those blanks and put the main ones in bold keysOh yeah you know somewhat u can send this type of stuff to Rand McNally for their new update atlases to have charts and diagrams and for the top cities in the country Edited November 16, 2005 by Dominax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 It's also technically sprawl because its so far from the city center.That's a very subjective opinion. By using that same standard, we could also assume Uptown is sprawl due to its geographical distance from downtown.I think terms like "sprawl" and "mcmansions" go hand in hand as subjective perception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ V Lawrence Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Call me crazy, but I like what Houston is becoming. I like the distance between Uptown, Downtown, the Medical Centers, and all the nice cities surrounding us in Sugarland, Katy, and Woodlands to keep Houston developers on their toes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YakuzaIce Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 As west was saying the densest area is the area surrounding the southwest freeway midway between the loop and the belt. I believe the densest zip code is 77081. I did this research a while ago, and this is from memory, but I am pretty sure it is that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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