lockmat Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Dallas makes the top ten but Houston does not for buildings that have begun construction of at least 20 stories since 2000.71% have been multifamily13% Hotel11% Office1% otherMaybe the reason is b/c Houston doesn't build many multifamily towers.NYC 331Chicago 120Miami 145Vegas 47Atlanta 35San Diego 31Seattle 31LA 20DallasSan Fran 20http://archrecord.construction.com/news/analytics/2012/1205-High-Rise-Construction-Forecast-2012.pdfhttp://archrecord.construction.com/news/analytics/2012/1205-High-Rise-Construction-Forecast.asp?WT.mc_id=rss_archrecord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Dallas makes the top ten but Houston does not for buildings that have begun construction of at least 20 stories since 2000.71% have been multifamily13% Hotel11% Office1% otherMaybe the reason is b/c Houston doesn't build many multifamily towers.NYC 331Chicago 120Miami 145Vegas 47Atlanta 35San Diego 31Seattle 31LA 20DallasSan Fran 20http://archrecord.co...recast-2012.pdfhttp://archrecord.co...=rss_archrecordSomething is amiss. Houston has had more than 20 buildings of at least 20 stories since 2000. I count 25. WTF? Did they just forget about Houston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 WTF? Did they just forget about Houston?Yep...I think so. Your number sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 Are they all in the City of Houston or the metro area also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Are they all in the City of Houston or the metro area also?All in Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbha Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Here's a list I generated by looking at data on SkyscraperPage.com - buildings constructed since 2000. There are 39 buildings listed below.Edit: Just realized that the study indicates building starts since 2000. This list is of buildings completed since 2000. My bad. Still... might be of interest to some, so I won't delete this post.Building - # of StoriesBG Group Place - 461500 Louisiana - 40One Park Place - 37Reliant Energy Plaza - 36Calpine Tower - 341200 Post Oak - 33Memorial Hermann Tower - 33The Royalton - 33Dominion Post Oak - 31Hess Tower - 312727 Kirby - 30Memorial Hermann Medical Plaza - 30Mercer West - 30Montebello - 30The Mark - 30The Montage - 29The Mosaic - 29Five Houston Center - 27Villa d'Este - 27Legacy at Memorial - 25MD Anderson Administrative Support Building - 25Methodist Hospital Outpatient Care Center - 25Cosmopolitan - 24Hilton Americas Hotel - 24BMC Building II - 23InterContinental Hotel Houston - 23BMC Building I - 22Embassy Suites Hotel - 22Seven Riverway - 22Whiteco Residential Tower - 22Alkek Hospital - 21T. Boone Pickens Academic Tower - 21BriarLake Plaza - 20Feigin Center - 20Feigin Center West Tower - 20Museum Tower - 20Texas Children's Hospital West Tower - 20The Perennial - 20Westin Houston Hotel - 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 WOW. Can't forget the TMC or, apparently, Westchase.You could add Anadarko Tower, Endeavor, and Palisade Palms I & II if you take in the surrounding areas. That'd bring us to 43, or third place because Vegas and Miami obviously don't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 My list is up to 31BBVA Building on Post Oak, apt tower at sage & westheimer, and 3009 post oak all started in 2011.Plus Endeavor and 2 towers at Palisade Palms.(Anadarko does not count because they broke ground in 1999, according to Emporis.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolie Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 You're arguing over an infographic that is marketing material for an industry report. Clearly they just selected a handful of cities to show on the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 You're arguing over an infographic that is marketing material for an industry report. Clearly they just selected a handful of cities to show on the map.We aren't arguing, we're agreeing that it was crap, and so we're correcting it. Ridiculous marketing material for industry reports is often highly effective. Take for instance that bit about Houston ranking second for Fortune 500 companies. It's only true if you rank municipalities instead of metropolitan areas because Houston annexed so much land area in the 20th century while other municipalities were hemmed in by other municipalities -- and that's just stupid, but so are lots and lots of people who you'd think would know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolie Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Did the guy from Architectural Record draw the map, or is it lifted directly from the (probably $$) report? I'd like to presume the actual data in the report is correct and just the infographic is wrong, but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Stone Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 I wonder what the count is for cities that built buildings over 40 stories since 2000? Houston should be higher on that list than most cities in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Take for instance that bit about Houston ranking second for Fortune 500 companies. It's only true if you rank municipalities instead of metropolitan areas because Houston annexed so much land area in the 20th century while other municipalities were hemmed in by other municipalities -- and that's just stupid, but so are lots and lots of people who you'd think would know better.That's another myth that needs to be put to rest. Even if we only counted the downtown headquarters in the Fortune 500 listing, Houston would still rank second for Fortune 500 companies. (There were 13 Fortune 500 HQs in downtown Houston, ahead of both Dallas and Atlanta, who tied for third place, each with 10 in their entire respective cities.) A reasonably restricted city of Houston (downtown and uptown) would give us 18 Fortune 500 HQs. There are 20 Fortune 500 HQs inside the Beltway. (Again, this is all based on the 2011 list.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 I wonder what the count is for cities that built buildings over 40 stories since 2000? Houston should be higher on that list than most cities in America.I think Houston has exactly 1 building in that category (BG Group Place, with 46 stories). The only other one that is close is 1500 Louisiana, with 40 stories, but it does not qualify for the list because ground was broken in 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 That's another myth that needs to be put to rest. Even if we only counted the downtown headquarters in the Fortune 500 listing, Houston would still rank second for Fortune 500 companies. (There were 13 Fortune 500 HQs in downtown Houston, ahead of both Dallas and Atlanta, who tied for third place, each with 10 in their entire respective cities.) A reasonably restricted city of Houston (downtown and uptown) would give us 18 Fortune 500 HQs. There are 20 Fortune 500 HQs inside the Beltway. (Again, this is all based on the 2011 list.)As a case in point, I count 20 such firms in the Dallas-Ft. Worth MSA and 23 in the Houston MSA. The list has evidently shifted toward energy companies in the five years since I last ran this, but the point is that there's still a strong correlation to population. If you'd like to challenge that, I welcome you to run the data. Things can change. (I'd do it myself, but I just don't have time right now.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 As a case in point, I count 20 such firms in the Dallas-Ft. Worth MSA and 23 in the Houston MSA. The list has evidently shifted toward energy companies in the five years since I last ran this, but the point is that there's still a strong correlation to population. If you'd like to challenge that, I welcome you to run the data. Things can change. (I'd do it myself, but I just don't have time right now.)Those numbers are correct. I'm not sure what your point is. My point was merely that your statement that Houston's claim to No. 2 Status among cities is only true because of the crazy past annexation is simply false. In a comparison of cities, even if we used Houston's 1900 city limits, Houston would still be No. 2 among cities. Whether that is a terribly meaningful list is another question; but it is what it is. (Honestly, I see us touting the no. 3 metro ranking as often as I see the no. 2 city ranking.)FWIW, the Metropolitan Area Fortune 500 rankings from 2011 along with the number of companies and their 2011 population ranking:1. NYC 70+ (1)2. CHI 28 (3)3. HOU 23 (5)4. LA 20 (2) DFW 20 (4) MSP 20 (16)7. SFO 19 (11)8. WDC 17 (7)9. Detroit 15 (13)10. Philly 12 (6) Atlanta 12 (9)12. Boston 11 (10) San Jose 11 (31)14. Charlotte 10 (33) Cleveland 10 (28)16. Cincy 9 (27) Denver 9 (21) Pittsburgh 9 (22) St. Louis 9 (19)20. Seattle 8 (15) here is an interesting chart showing the number of Fortune 500 companies per 1 million residents. Metro areas range from 7.82 Fortune 500 companies per million residents down to 0.49 Fortune 500's per million residents. (Houston had 4.62) I think this was maybe from the 2010 Fortune 500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 In a comparison of cities, even if we used Houston's 1900 city limits, Houston would still be No. 2 among cities.That's quite a claim. I'd bet that if we were hemmed in and had to compete on a level playing field with close-in suburban municipalities like Dallas does, we'd have witnessed inter-city rivalries with respect to economic development (among other things). The landscape would probably be very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Back here on planet earth, in the year 2012, the 2012 Fortune 500 list should be coming out any day now. Should be interesting as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 You're arguing over an infographic that is marketing material for an industry report. Clearly they just selected a handful of cities to show on the map.If so, they still misrepresented it. If it is just a randomly selected handful of cities, it should not be labeled "top ten" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I know it's off-topic, but we were discussing the Fortune 500 list here, so I thought I would post the 2012 results that are out today.Houston Metro area moved up from 23 in 2011 to 25 in 2012.Houston city moved up from 22 to 23. Downtown Houston moved up from 13 to 14.Chicago metro stayed at 28, so we are still the no. 3 metro for Fortune 500 companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strickn Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Just being f500 does not count you very much. The top quintile of this year's list was 11, while the bottom quintile was numbers 200 through 500. It's more of a US News and World Report type self-publicity deal. If they cared more about it meaning something... let's just say that even certified giants like Du Pont and Google (nos. 72 and 73 by revenue) are in the bottom half of the revenue made by the entire five hundred companies, since the top 14% of the 500 have more than half of the 500's sales.Now, bringing the topic full circle, Houston's Eighties surge passed up every North American city but Manhattan and Chicago. This was another long tail distribution. In the past decade, however, not only have they pulled ahead, those dirty two, but our skyline has been eclipsed by any number of more privileged places - Toronto, South Florida, Ciudad Panama, Vancouver - and even the possibilities of a resurgent Ciudad Mexico, San Francisco, Calgary and Las Vegas. If you look at privilege, we're lagging. Not that that's a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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