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Consider yourself corrected... http://www.espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/stadiumnames.html
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I never saw trendy people in 12 Spot (myself included). Actually, I rarely saw a crowd of any kind. As for bars and clubs closing, it is simply part of the life cycle. They close everywhere, only to be replaced by something else. If rents are too high (and I agree they are), a few empty storefronts will bring them back down. I think downtown will evolve into more casual bars and restaurants as the niteclubs move on to cheaper and trendier locales. The crowds will follow them, replaced by more downtowners and midtowners and sports fans.
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The garage will likely be surrounded by the apartments, so hopefully we will not be looking at it. I cannot find the sketch that suggested that, and it is entirely possible that they have redesigned the apartments, but that is how I remember it.
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The building was dedicated in 1950. It originally contained the police department, jail and municipal courts. The courts moved next door in 1973. There is a police parking garage located behind it. The City is trying to get a joint jail and booking facility with Harris County, allowing the City to get out of the jail business. The building will stick around at least until the booking facility is built. Currently, it still houses Traffic and Accident Investigation for HPD. The building, though ugly as hell, has a really cool Art Deco frieze on it. Here is a link that has a photo of it, as well as some more info on the building and the frieze. http://www.bobthomasattorney.com/Police%20...rbitrations.htm
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True. I love watching TO drop the ball. The more the merrier.
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Someone should tell the 6 offensive linemen that think they got drafted in the first 2 rounds this year that they really were 3rd rounders.
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I suppose I could also say that I am surprised at the number of Dallas posters on dallasmetropolis.com that do NOT like the stadium. There are about as many in Dallas that don't like the stadium as there are in Houston, suggesting that perhaps you are looking for a rivalry, rather than observing one. Or, perhaps not. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...ns.32ef5cf.html Average ticket prices will be $98.99 when it opens. Just a guess, but I'll bet parking is $30.
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Reading some of the news comments about fans paying to stand at the plazas at the end of the stadium reminded me of the promises made about the plaza at Reliant Stadium. There are a couple of video screens, and the suggestion was that fans would pay to park and tailgate, then watch the game on the vids. I've never seen that happen at Reliant. I wonder if anyone in Dallas would pay to watch the video screens from the plaza. Perhaps for the NFC Championship. I suspect not many other times.
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If 'Glory Park' is the area surrounding the stadium, is it safe to assume that they have named the hole in the roof as well? That is one impressive piece of stadium work. But, no matter what they do to the roads and bridges, getting to the stadium will be the new definition of 'Hell On Earth'. Of course, probably no stadium in history has the freeway access that Texas Stadium does, so everything would be a step down.
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Was I too obvious? Actually, I agree with you hokieone. I don't really care what the Texans do. I loved the Oilers, but I hate the Texans name, colors, outrageous prices, and most of all, their losing record. I think my problem with them is the entire NFL over the top money machine, but the Houston franchise is the 4th most valuable. I remember when Bud raised parking prices to $5, and there was nearly a revolt amongst fans. Bob charges $20, and you hear nary a peep. But, at least back in the Oilers' days, there was fire. This franchise is a slick marketing machine, with no emotion whatsoever. It belongs in an office tower downtown, not on a football field. As for the Vince Young man-crush, you guys should come out of the closet. Really. HAIF has a lot of openly gay members, and they are all welcome and treated like family. It's OK if you guys who secretly love Vince while disguising it as football appreciation come out and set yourselves free. Really. It's alright.
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All this debate over two average quarterbacks is humorous, to say the least. Anyone who watched the 3 o'clock game between SanDiego and Denver saw a REAL quarterback in Phil Rivers. Watching Rivers made it clear how far BOTH of these QBs has to go. They may get there eventually, but Rivers is what the Texans should aspire to, not Young or Carr.
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This sounds remarkably like Downtown Houston. 6th Ward, 4th Ward, Midtown and Near Eastside (and someday, Near Northside) form a semi-circle around the downtown area, and show lots of activity, while Downtown itself remains stubbornly below 4,000 residents. Personally, I don't see that as a deal killer, as residents of these areas are no more than a mile from Downtown. However, I do realize that since everyone MUST compare Houston and Dallas to New York and Chicago, their respective downtowns will be considered statistically anemic, until several thousand more apartment and condo dwellers move in.
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This is interesting. I would have thought Uptown would have more residents than this. If you look at Google Earth, you can see the ZIP code boundaries for 75201 and 75202 include Downtown, Victory, and Uptown up to Turtle Creek and over to Routh.
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Nah, not at UT. The horns season this year reinforces how important Young was to them last year. But, at the NFL level, only a homer (or an ESPN talking head) would call Young's rookie year a success. They really screwed him around by getting rid of McNair. Letting Young sit a couple of years like Phil Rivers did would have given him a better shot at success. He may still make it as a pro, but right now he reminds me of Michael Vick...which aint good if you want to go to the playoffs.
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One good game (more accurately, 10 good minutes of one game) out of his first 11 does not equal "doing good his first year as a rookie". But hey, if the 33rd best passing rating (out of 34 QBs) works for you, I say bring it on. The more overrated former UT quarterbacks, the better. Then I can really laugh at orange-blinded football fans.
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You're right. I need to get a life. Maybe I'll start trolling on forums in cities in which I no longer live.
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I had no feelings whatsoever, since the game was played in Tennessee. Additionally, Vince Young did not win the game, he merely did not lose it. A quick look at the stats will reveal that Mr. Young is ranked either 34 or 35th in virtually every QB category. But, most importantly, you mistake me for someone who cares. My life does not revolve around a game that has more TV time spent on advertising than actual play, as apparently yours does. I don't spend my Sunday in front of the TV. As a former resident, you know that we wait all year for this weather. I'm not wasting it either in a parking lot next to Reliant Stadium, nor in my living room. Last week, I spent it installing an outdoor electrical outlet. The two weeks before that, ripping out carpets to get to my wood floors. I'm no longer in my 20s. I don't care about the NFL (though I am going to watch UH at Robertson Stadium on Friday.) That is why I said I admired the residents of Los Angeles. They collectively shrugged their shoulders at the NFL. I liked that.
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I wouldn't exactly throw Houston and Arlington in the same boat. During my 7 years in Fort Worth, Arlington always struck me as being stuck in some kind of creepy 70s time warp. However, on the subject of defying logic to draw attention, all cities do it. New York and Chicago had their skyscraper war, Paris built what at the time was considered a hideous tower. Houston built a domed stadium, then when that became passe, returned with a couple of convertible tops. Dallas is about to spend $130 million to build some bridges over the Fort Worth municipal sewer. They are even talking about spending a ridiculous sum of money to upgrade the Cotton Bowl just to keep ONE football game a year. Don't kid yourself. Every city does it, and the second and third tier cities come up with some of the worst. When all is said and done though, if the citizens of that particular city believe the expenditure improves their looks or quality of life, who are we to blame them. I'm not paying Arlington's taxes, so if they want to spend $650 million dollars so that John Madden will occasionally say "Arlington, Texas" on national TV, more power to them.
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Certainly not ALL Houstonians believe that, but enough of them to approve $1 Billion in stadium bonds. I admire Los Angelenos for not being held hostage by the NFL. And, though Laura Miller has many faults, cratering to Jerry Jones strongarm tactics is not one of them. So, I suppose Arlington will be a "world class" suburb in a few years, huh?
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As a matter of fact, the NFL Oilers played 3 Thanksgiving Day games. All three games were against the Dallas Cowboys. The Oilers won EVERY game. What about them cowboys?
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Umm....you might oughta check your numbers. DT Houston actually has more residents than DT Dallas.
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Always, my Dallas friend. Always. ...and have a happy Thanksgiving. Go Tampa Bay!
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Niche, give it up. Everyone has their own reason for appreciating old structures. I will say, however, that I stayed out of this thread, because I know that the warehouse had flood plain issues. It really was not going to be salvageable. As much as I appreciate its style, the effort to save Houston's vanishing history would be better spent elsewhere. Nice attempt to deflect your shallow view of anything historical by challenging everyone else, though. EDIT: Oh. My own personal attachment to historical structures is based on the overengineering of them, as well as the architectural detailing. They were built to last for centuries, versus the 40 lifespan of today's crap. Ironically, it is the very thing you espouse (highest and best use) that annoys me in today's structures. It is hard to get attached to something that probably will not outlive me.
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dalasboi, you are priceless.
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GreenStreet: Mixed-Use Development At 1201 Fannin St.
RedScare replied to MontroseNeighborhoodCafe's topic in Downtown
This is exactly why the City invests money in downtown. Not only does expanding the infrastructure add more value to the highest value land in the city, conversely, NOT keeping up the infrastructure causes that high value property to depreciate, costing the city (and therefore, its citizens) tax revenue. Investing in neighborhoods returns little, if any tax revenue. Investing in downtown makes the city money. Downtown also happens to be the city's most recognizable feature. When I went to school downtown in the 1980s, it was a dirty, depressing, dangerous place. When I opened an office downtown in the 90s, it was only marginally better. When the city invested police, new streets and sidewalks, and METRORail, it changed dramatically. So did the taxable values.