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I only know of Pasadena Plaza and Towne Plaza & Strawberry Park. No Strawberry Mall.

Never heard of it...where was it located? Streets? Intersection? please...

Yeah, that location at Allen Parkway housed Baylor after Sears built on S. Main, after two very bad floods. What a shame... it was lost...beautiful design.

We have talked about this rink before, on HAIF. I'll look for the link.

I like the tall u-tot-em street sign th best, of course, shaped like a totem pole. Was nice. Green, yellow, red, neon.

Nice photo. I've seen dotted lines on old Houston maps that show their routes, as well. http://houstorian.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/houstonwards1920.jpg

That train ride is a favorite memory...with my grandmother. it's one I later shared with my son.

176 views and nobody knows the answer : / ----- linked to Camp Logan, maybe?

http://robertwboyd.blogspot.com/2007/10/i-started-this-particular-ride-back-in.html I ran across the name of Soldier's Creek & explored it. I'm wondering about it's history, now. Anyone know anything about it? Linked to Camp Logan, perhaps? Nice story above. There has been recent suing between the small towns or villages, over drainage rights.

That should read WWI, of course (not WWII), first line I had a great- grandfather who was at Camp Logan.

See post #9 ~ That would explain why it was named Rice "MILITARY" before the WWII training camp was there. I was looking for an explanation, since I read that the neighborhood was called RM before the WWI occupation of the area. William M. Rice & brother owned land there, at one time. And I assumed it had a military link that predated WWI. The property close by, between Detering and Reinerman, Washington and Buffalo Bayou was at one time referred to as Smokeytown or Smokeville (census)? The name is on an early Houston Topo. map, probably linked to coal/ railroad workers of causasian and African American heritage, who lived in the area. I have read two different accounts of a black cemetery at the Memorial Park Condo location (demolished now?), Swamplot reference. Did they build over the graves? Felix Croom and family are supposed to be buried at that location. Mr. Crooms died around 1917. The West End Research page also goes into much detail about a black cemetery at that location, started by a man named Edward Rosco (year 1881, bought .92 acre for a graveyard). The researcher describes the cemetery with the gully located on it, now where the condos are located...what happened to the cemetery? Bad karma. http://swamplot.com/tag/park-memorial-condominiums/ https://sites.google.com/site/cemeteriesofharriscotexas/crooms-family-cemetery http://www.ricemilitary.org/documents/history.htm The last link has great detailed research by H. Neal Parker...see specifically the Caffey Tract under 1.) Heli Hurd...several paragraphs about the cemetery land. http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/houston_nw22.jpg ... the map

Yeah, it amazed me, that after all that, no mention of 5 Points anywhere! I want to know too. Could it possibly refer to the five bends in the bayou? Just a wild shot. I really think it probably has to do with streets meeting at a point.

Oops, that should be "Directly under HWY 59 and west of Clayton Homes". And another Aulbach link , with a nice Sanborn map, and overlay of separation of property lines. http://www.epperts.com/lfa/BB84.html

https://www.tsl.stat...ges/map0435.jpg ...see the neighborhood streets to the right of the "Courthouse" name (Downtown) on the map. Vertical Streets: Gabel = McKee St. (bridge crosses north) Spruce Pine Schrimpf = accompanies RR tracks Hamilton (runs parallel to Hwy. 59) Horizintal Streets: Arch Race (short st. still visible - GoogleEarth) changes to Rain St. Vine Lyle Bramble Maple (still visible - GoogleEarth) German (now Canal) Magnolia (now Ruiz) * the land changes can be found on the "Houstorian maps" collection, under : 1946 (NE) map http://www.lib.utexa...ouston_ne46.jpg 1955 Topo. map (NE) http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/texas/txu-pclmaps-topo-tx-settegast-1955.jpg From what I have seen, the area of Five Points got obliterated by the Elysian Street viaduct, the numerous railroad tracks running through it, at one time, what looks like possible end tracts on the land, and the major building of the Hwy 59 spurs into the downtown area. It sits directly under and across from (west of) the Clayton Homes (previous Schrimpf Alley) area. A power plant also sits near the bayou, close to the school, in one early map. The following link is from the book mentioned earlier. It is an early chapter that describes the barrio development. Shows Rusk Elementary on a map, lists it at 1701 Maple St., describes RR boxcars used for housing for RR workers, and shanties, etc. Thanks for sharing your original article. I have long been fascinated by these areas and their "blue-collar" history. I find the everyday people the most interesting to research. I am sad that so many of the structures, such as the row houses, have been lost. http://books.google....tY54aXOaE&hl=en# ... @ p. 10, especially interesting.

http://blog.chron.com/bayoucityhistory/2010/09/life-in-schrimpf-alley J.R. Gonzales' Blog (HAIF member) article - Mentions the barrio you speak of, sinister1. There is also a link to historian Aulbach's research (see third paragraph from end of article). it states how violent the area was, back to the 1930's, 40's. I looked for the Five Points name in my copy of Ethnicity in the Sunbelt - Mexican Americans in Houston, by Arnoldo De Leon. Chapter VI does have a section on the gang and crime you describe, see p. 105. It also lists other gang names and their histories.The accompanying footnotes give the original sources, the Houston Chronicle articles pertaining to the youth's crime. What a sad story that is. I'll keep looking for the 5-points reference.

My experience with Weingartens in the 1960's ~ 1970's was always a good one. Huge store, but very clean, nothing out of the ordinary with employees. The Gulfgate and Lawndale stores are the ones I recall. It seemed to me, as a kid, that the Gulgate store (connected to the mall) was much larger than the other one.

Yes, that was the name, TimmyChan...I think there is an HISD school in that location. I forgot about the one at Lawndale, Sevfiv. Guess we didn't exactly stick to locations asked for, but it's fun to remember them. I went to Gulfgate, Meadowcreek and the Bellfort one, once.

There WAS a bowling alley on the SE side of town, on a street close to the Gulf Freeway, west side, I'm guessing, in between College Rd. & Almeda Genoa Rd. and of course, the one at Gulfgate was cool, demolished. Think there was one near Gessner and I-10, side st. North of I-10 & Memorial City. Became a gun range.

Very cool! So mush is changing with the new development, close to downtown. I am very thankful for your fine documentation, Marty!

Aha...that's why I love block book info. The scratched out names are everywhere.

Fascinating! Yeah, if it's a slightly hilly spot of land in Houston, it's usually associated with the water flow. The Harris County block books also show areas that had the natural direction of water flow, before man's manipulation. The Riverside area is an interesting study. I don't know if it's totally advantageous to propel the water at faster speeds, in every case, through concrete chutes. Heard that water always tries to return to it's natural path, if redirected. Or, water takes the shorter route, as in oxbows, that get naturally eliminated, over one. I love the slide/ compare feature. This iPad is still very limiting, laptop GoogleEarth Has more features, suh as the earlier aerial map function.

By Joe, you're right...missed that. I was too upset to look closely. Juxtaposition

I haven't found any evidence to support that statement. 1869 map clearly shows Houston Avenue. Zoom function.

Oh boo...I don't like the interior. Those Texas stars don't mix well with Art Deco. surprised they didn't completely destroy the interior. I can still see a few remnants. Is the balcony still intact? Those stairs were beautiful.