Gary

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He said he COULD care less, not could not.

I wonder if that was his real quote or the chron's mess up

Excuse me my little friend but the quote meant exactly what I was refering to. Let me repeat what Shafer said. "As long as they do not violate the lease, we could care less about what they do with the dome," he said".

Saying that you "could care less about what they do with the dome" would mean that you DO NOT CARE what the dome is used for as long as it doesn't affect your precious rodeo. Right?

Maybe I'm reading a little to much into this, but I think Shafer pretty much sums up the rodeo's feelings about the dome here. I for one will be boycotting the rodeo indefinately.

"As long as they do not violate the lease, we could care less about what they do with the dome," he said.

This doesnt look like it's going anywhere...

Do you ever have anything positive to say?

Just take a look at your horrible signature.

Thank you Trae.

If you are so against the entire facility that the County owns, why are you not saying tear it all down? The 350 million wasn't provided by you, it was paid for mostly by Texans, HLSR, and hotel taxes, so you provided some tax breaks for building it? Wow, .

I'm not understanding some of this. Isn't it true that if the HLSR helped fit the bill for Reliant, they did so by revenue generated mainly by the citizens of Houston?

If the Rodeo and Texans act to inhibit the redevelopment of the Dome, I will take my dollars elsewhere.

As will I....

People of Houston, hear this...

When are you people going to face it?! Houston is never going to be NYC or San Francisco.... The city simply wasnt planned to be a dense urban setting. NYC is dense for a reason. Fact is, 10-15 years ago nobody even wanted to live in the inner city. NYC was the slums, and so was downtown Houston. If you haven't noticed, every movie for the 13-33 year old crowd is set in NYC, and now suddenly everyone wants to move back into the downtown areas of the city they live in. Face it, youre not going to get what you see on tv. Houston is never going to have blocks of brownstones and converted buildings like they have on the east coast. The best your going to get is going to be west u and the heights for a good mix or residential and commercial.

And as for the BLACK/WHITE comments going on. Give it a rest. Its the natural cycle of human nature. People NATURALLY tend to aspire to better things. Think of the jingle from that tv show "movin on up, to the east side..." What that means is the game never ends... Richer, better educated, stylish, "high" class people are always going to be chased out of their communites by poorer, ghetto, welfare check cashing, thugs... Its a game of cat and mouse.

Also, Black people stop being mad at white people!!! Its pretty lame... Its a fact that in the US the majority of lower income people are a minority, AND its a fact that of all the minorities in the US Black/African Americans are the largest. Its a fact that the majority of "higher" income people are white. google the prison ratios if you dont believe me. And its a fact that if you turn on BET anytime of the day your going to see thugs, gangsters, slang, purple cars!!, sloppy dressing, wild color clothes, etc.. I mean the channel is named after you! If you have a problem look within...

*noteable fact: im neither black, nor white...

Can't wait to hear the response to this. Me, I'm not going to touch it. I'll just sit back and get entertained.

Agreed, Gary, white was a poor choice...I think the thing is canvas or plastic so it must come that color....

I know a little about vynil based products, and this could have been dyed any color. Of course you run the risk of fading after the uv inhibitors start breaking down, but if it's maintenanced properly there shouldn't be any real problems.

I didn't know about the turf in the bubble. That also seems like a poor choice considering how injury prone synthetic turf has proven to be. I played my entire high school career on astroturf, and it was a nighmare. Aside from the injury prone (unforgiving) nature of synthetic turf, it also makes for some nasty rasberries which I am all to familar with.

Not sure why they didn't use the tray system as they do in Reliant.

It looks like any other box... I'm not sure I see anything outstanding about it...

Who is this Jesse character?

Mr negative is back!

I was hanging out at the Firkin and Phoenix a couple of weeks ago; I can't tell you how happy having a neighborhood pub with decent ales makes me !

Agreed... I'm pumped, and ready for this.

Thanks for the video Trae, especially number two. It brought a smile to my face.

Damnit Gary its puff puff pass... not puff puff puff puff.........

What's even funnier to me is that the cowchicks fans (at least here) are reacting in a completely different fashion than would a Texans fan. Texans fans would be cursing the team, and screaming "off with their heads" had we lost in that fashion. We most certainly wouldn't be reacting like this, in fact, I can't think of any city that would react in this way. LONG LIVE THE COWBALLS!

Some new renderings. Nothing special.

Blah!

I wish people would talk nicely to insiders that have proven to be a reliable source on this website. We don't want to scare them off. I think engcons, has already told us everything he feels comfortable about revealing.

Agreed.... We almost ran off Houston devolpment a while back. In other words please chill out with the insiders.

Anybody want to guess who the most popular NFL team is (as well as responsible for selling the most merchandise/memorabelia)? . . I'll give you a hint. . .It ain't either of the ones from Houston!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Da...t?urn=nfl,47568

Keep em coming!

That's true but do you know what city is responsible for the NFL starting the collective bargaining agreement? Houston... After the 78 and 79 seasons the Oilers were making so much money from their merchandise that the rest of the league was jealous. Thus you have the collective bargaining agreement. The Oilers were almost solely responsible for game item giveaways (pom poms) which are now in use in most cities. Also, they quickly becoming a hated organization among the leagues fan base, so don't get to proud of your merchandising. Your living off the past (with merchandising), and if the Cowpukes don't get their crap together soon their screwed.

By the way... It would be great if we could put together all of the nicknames mentioned here for the Cowpies.

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Don't worry Gary, they're tough guys, they can take it.

According to everything I've seen over the last few days, they can't take it. So once again i ask all of you to take it easy on the Cowpies (man I love saying that). Wait, did I just say that out loud?

You guys leave those Cowpie fans alone!

Mark, I for one don't hate the Cowboys because of the Texans lack of playoff appearances. I hate them because of who they are, The Cowboys. They are a team that most either love or hate. it's that simple. I don't think that anyone is making negative comments based on a love for houston, and a hate for Dallas. They just don't like the Cowboys. Of course this sentiment is not only in Houston, but across the country.

Yeah, it kind of looks like bpe3 didn't have as much insider knowledge as he thought. Thanks for the update.

Density has less to do with the whim of a developer as it has to do with construction costs. The more housing units per acre, the greater the cost per unit (holding unit size, finish, and other factors constant). So, excluding extremely desirable places, like Uptown, highly-dense developments become impossible simply because they can't be competitively priced to what other developers can build and sell/lease at lower rates.

There are lots of ways that this pattern can be influenced, but it is critical to remember that a developer won't do anything at all if it isn't profitable...and cities aren't developers, even if those that run the cities would like their constituents to think so, sometimes. The best that they can do is to provide subsidy in one form or another to make targeted density feasible. But if they did something like that on a regional basis, then it'd only serve to increase housing prices and/or taxes to extreme levels, just like in California or the east coast...and for all the praise that such places receive from some quarters, there is a very good reason that Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, and Phoenix are growing so much faster than any other cities. Its all about quality of life, and we already have it; it is ours to lose. It is IMO our best economic tool supporting long-term density at levels such as will never be attained by places such as Portland or Denver, because those places have sold out their economic future for short-term density in a world where--frankly--density is a fad.

Good post Niche... On a side note, can you imagine what traffic will be like once all of the current residential projects get finished. More density may end up being a nightmare for those like me who are in the area weekly.

Not even. HoB could and will agressively book small regional acts. Direct competition with Continental (which I frequent) . They will have the small room , close to Continental's capacity. Problem? No, downtown can accomodate more acts at any given time.

Where do you get your information from?....HOB DOES NOT agressively court small regional acts in the context were discussing... Will they have small regional acts on weekdays? Sure, any large club in the country does, but these venues are not designed to handle low draw bands, simpy because hey can't afford to. How you can compare The Continental to an HOB or the like is confusing to me as there completely different venues, and will in many cases bring in completely different genres of Rock N Roll.

Let me ask you...Since the Engine Room and The Continental are similar in size, and within 2 miles of each other, are they in competition with each other?

The theme-food, gospel brunch and company store crap is offensive, but House of Blues would provide booking competition for Warehouse and Continental Club, which will be a good thing for live music fans. And, possibly reach people who wouldn't have ventured downtown at all. Good example, recently my 65 year old dad in Katy wanted to go see Johnny Winter, but his only experience with the venue was ads in the Houston Press, and was not sure what he was getting himself into. Same show in HOB he would've gone without a second thought.

The Continental would in no way be effected by a HOB. HOB is a very large venue which will house mid-level national & regional acts as does Warehouse Live, and The Meridian. The Continental almost exclusively has either regional acts, or small national acts.

I don't really think this discussion is about eco-thugs, big houses, or big cars. It's about downtown.

I don't think anybody is seriously talking about densifying already existing residential neighborhoods. This discussion is more about getting rid of the empty space downtown and turning it into a more pleasant environment (ie: Houston Pavilions).

True, but I was responding to a few who seem to be frowning on people who actually enjoy Houstons lay out. I happen to be one of the few on this forum who enjoys the way Houston is. Could we improve? Sure, but I don't thnk it's following the current trend of super high density housing.

Edit: What Red said.

I love my 3000 sq foot home, my 60'X60' backyard that backs into the bayou, and my big F250 diesel. If being "urban" requires that I densify my living space, I say screw it.

Oh by the way... I recycle plastic and am looking into diesel bio-fuels. Does that help make me less of a environmental thug?