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Anyone who says Arlington is not in the same metro as Dallas has never looked at the current MSAs and CSAs, nor have they been in the metroplex. Arlington is maybe 10 miles from the western Dallas border(as is Fort Worth), with only Grand Prairie seperating the two. Its closer to downtown Dallas than Plano or Frisco. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington is an MSA which is a tighter definition than CSA. To seperate the two at this point goes against the definition of a metro area in the US and just doesn't really make common sense.

So if Arlington isn't in the Dallas metro does that mean that since there aren't enough hotel rooms outside of Uptown/Downtown Dallas to host a Superbowl, then there can't be a Superbowl in North Central Texas?

Suburban communities always want to seperate themselves from the city from which they were born, but never realize the consequences to the metro as a whole that take decades to reverse. People think that their community will remain as is forever, not realize the chain of events they've set in motion that basically gurantee a newer better suburb a little further out every decade. If you think its best that these suburban areas secede, look no further than your Texas brother to the north and how each new hot suburb sucks the life out of its older neighbor. And your services are NOT better than what you get from the big city who has a tax base that smaller, mostly suburban residential areas can only dream of.

Initially, I was really hoping the Cowboys stayed in Irving at either the current site or Las Colinas. The future rail lines and developable land near both sites would have allowed for incredible adjacent development much like the AAC and Victory. Having rail would eliminate the need for such huge parking lots. Even had hopes of an underground lot like that at Allianz Arena. MAde too much sense to actually happen.

It doesn't really help me understand. You're comparing an area of several different projects to a masterplanned area. A lot of your downtown stuff goes on with or without HP. Victory is large enough that nothing happens there without Victory itself. I would think of it more like your Hardy Rail Yards plan. Its a large area of new things. The Merchantile project is much more comparable as a big development in the middle of many. I don't think the sizes of HP and Victory are that comparable either. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

You can't compare the deals just straight up like that. Depends on how the name will be used in and out of the facility. Wouldn't be surprised to see GM on the name

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

I think you should have just kept the original question. Now it looks like you're changing it to Houston's advantage. Victory does have the West End(Aquarium, Sixth Floor, future Holocaust museum, bars, restaurats, etc) International Centre, McKinney Ave, Crescent, Katy Trail and the TRP(if it ever happens will be literally blocks away). and the future Museum of Science and History. But with all of that you can really only compare the two developments to each other as they only control what happens next to them from a spillover effect or not at all if it existed.

I saw it. Really good movie. The level of violence surprised me a bit.

If you don't wany Dallas posters posting then I won't post. But I would say if you don't want Dallas posters, don't have a DFW area on the board. Its likely we will want to put correct information there if the board exists. But if that's how it is, bon voyage.

nothing happening in Dallas but good bug killing weather and some rain. We rarely get anything close to what the weather people say. Its like they forget that we get our moisture from the Gulf or Pacific which are both so warm that scenarios like they are dreaming up are almost always impossible.

stores where most don't shop:

1. Madewell

2. Intermix

3. Scoop

4. Oscar de la Renta

5. Crewcuts

6. Bottega Veneta

7. Original Penguin

8. Martin + Osa

9. adidas Originals

10. Tory Burch

11. Rugby

12. Michael Kors

13. Bulgari

14. Yves Saint Laurent

15. Fendi

16. Giorgio Armani

17. Emporio Armani

18. Adrienne Vittadini

TOD in Dallas that's possible, existing, planned or under construction:

Park Lane Place(under construction)

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthread.php?t=2075

Jefferson at the West End(planned)

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthread.php?t=2333

Cityville at Southwestern Medical Center(Under Construction)

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthread.php?t=4282

Cityplace West/West Village area(existing/under construction and best example of a nodal neighborhood type TOD in Dallas)

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthread.php?t=6172

Texas Stadium redevlopment(planning stages)

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthread.php?t=3097

Mockingbird Station(existing and best example of a singular TOD development in Dallas)

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthre...ingbird+Station

The Venue in Richardson(under construction) and other Galatyn Park Station development(planned)

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthread.php?t=4813

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthread.php?t=6514

Las Colinas in Irving(existing, planned and under construction as far as TOD goes)

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthre...age=1&pp=50

Downtown Garland(planning stages)

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthread.php?t=3857

Downtown Plano(existing)

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthre...astside+Village

It could be argued that once Victory is at or near finish-out that it is transit oriented. Not necessarily built because of rail, but will be very convenient to rail after phase IV.

just follow the link to dallasmetropolis. The history of how things ended up how they are is explained there. Basically, the original planned matched the Arena and went under. This is the new modern plan the Hillwood is doing themselves. It really doesn't look that bad in person and there are actually similar lines in the buildings.

Can't help but notice that very hopeful and beautiful background of a never gonna happen Trinity River Project.

One Arts resembles the Sphinx in that last rendering

Despite the misguidance in this post, yes it has. Mockingbird Station and Plano's Eastside Station are the two that are complete. Under construction are the 2 Galatyn park projects in Richardson, Park Lane Place mentioned above, Cityville Southwest and the u/c complex near Baylor Hospital. If you want to expand specific TOD to building density around station areas, you get Las Colinas(where most of the new mixed-use development is going up around the future line and developers talk aobut importance of being next to the line), DTD where projects like Mosaic and the Merryvale site, Victory and the West Village Cityplace area. The last mentioned areas have been struck down here as existing with or without the rail, which is true, but it is also true that in Toronto's style they are dense growing areas of seperate projects that are arising around the areas of the rail stations. Whether or not specific TODs they are certainly going to make a rail-full life much much easier.

rving says urban district will make people 'forget' stadium

$2 billion plan for Cowboys site compared to Dallas' Uptown

11:45 PM CST on Thursday, January 11, 2007

By BRANDON FORMBY / The Dallas Morning News

After the Dallas Cowboys leave Irving for Arlington, Texas Stadium won't last much longer.

Irving city officials announced Thursday their plans to build an expansive urban district, complete with a DART rail station, hotels, civic buildings, residences and a park above State Highway 114 on the current stadium site.

The project, expected to be complete by 2022, will be worth an estimated $2 billion. The first phase is scheduled to be completed by 2012, three years after the Cowboys leave the city.

Also Online

Staff writer Ty A. Allison contributed to this report.

E-mail bformby@dallasnews.com

Jerry Jones already answered that the team would never change names and that the franchise is the Dallas Cowboys. I think Arlington would be crazy not to buy at least part of the naming rights. Otherwise, just like games at Texas Stadium, they will say "down in Dallas"

Why does this thread even exist?

say that all you want, but you still have to know where to go. Are you trying to say that 6 million people don't go out much. MAny in Dallas have long recognized the problem with our localized, neighborhood type nightlife as great for those who know and bad for the uninformed. Doesn't mean its non-existent compared to Houston, just different and very localized.

Trump and TO need to get together and have a first to shut up contest.

Surprising someone from the Dallas area would be surprised by multiple skylines as they are all over Dallas and DFW.

Totally incorrect statement about Miller. To make a long story short, Laura Miller is the mayor of Dallas and supported the stadium going to Fair Park. The Cowboys were in negotiations with Dallas County to raise the hotel and rental car tax to raise $450 million of the stadium cost. Jerry Jones wanted to have a vote that November in order to get the stadium underway in time to be open by 2009, allowing him to make a formal bid for the 2011 Superbowl. County Republicans were up in arms considering it was 2004 and they had many party members up for re-election. So they stalled a lot with all kinds of financing questions, etc. Jerry said, we need a deal by the end of July. As that came closer, he started shopping again. He made a deal with Arlington to have a November election and exclusivity of negotiations. Therefore, Cowboys go to Arlington. You can thank Dallas County Judge, Margarey Kelliher.

Explain to me how people want to be away from the city, in the safe suburbs, yet they want city events, venues and corporations? I always thought people moved there to get away.

SLC-Allen 1pm

Garland - Cedar Hill - 5pm

Yep, will be there. PRobably at the SLC-Allen game too.

I actually have a thread of the "Boom" on Dallasmetropolis. Its been going on this whole decade. Some really nice stuff out there. Especially in the Dallas area. I went to Garland High School and went down to the Berry Center to watch them vs Klein Oak. Hands down best high school facility I've been to. Never been to Mansfield or Kincaid in Dallas, but wow. From the ramps, double deck setup, to the scoreboard. I've been to others with some of these elements, but not all put together so nicely. I hear Kincaid in Dallas, Mansfield and Grande Communications are the only ones comparable.