NDtexan

Everything you just stated is why I usually only come over here about once a month, and even then it's only for entertainment purposes. Some of you folks down there seem incredibly insecure when you disparage Uptown Dallas' construction or when you tear apart some of the dumb Dallas homers that post here. Overall, I think it's pretty harmless and funny, but sometimes it's just too much to take, and I make a post in response. So thats what I was doing X. Oh and I appreciate the pic Trae. just so you know, as ive read more and more of your posts on different development sites, ive begun to ignore what you say more and more. but again, thanks for Ray

So if that's the case, what are you doing making nine posts in the last two days on this thread in poor little Dallas' subforum? with all of houstons great new projects underway, why dont you just stay out of here?

hmmm....sounds like someone down south is getting giddy over the prospects that this building may be on hold or even better yet, altogether cancelled. But seriously, as others at dallasmetropolis mentioned, this would be a huge blow to Hillwood and Perot's reputation if it didn't get built. Plus, it's a mix of office, hotel, retail, and a few condos, so the mortgage lending bust shouldn't have as great an impact if it were all condo. For those reasons, I'm confident, that much to 19514's chagrin, it'll go up as planned...eventually.

Haha...I agree. But I wouldn't be surprised if he's actually from Houston though...

That's some really unsatisfying food you're serving. You need to consider land area of cities and population density in your analysis. SF, after all is just 47 square miles. FW just about matches SF in population, but it takes about seven times as much land or 281 square miles. Chew on that. Both Dallas and Ft. Worth need to improve their density figures and worry less about overall totals.

Exactly the interpretation that I got too. I for one get tired of people in Dallas and other places that try to discount Fort Worth - it's a great city that has a lot of good stuff to offer much of which can't be found on the other side of the Metroplex. I live in Dallas, and I really like Dallas. But I also really like Fort Worth. Why the hell does it seem like I'm in the minority here?

good lord, did txdave say that it was? No he didn't. Reread the post.

hahaha, Houston's so cool

I don't know why this wasn't included in the Houston logo:

I agree, the enthusiasm over at dallasmetropolis seems more tempered than it does here. I think there's just something about showing off and shoving stuff in other peoples' faces that's kind of a common human condition. This being a Houston forum, folks from Dallas love to come on here with unabridled excitement and basically brag about what Dallas has and Houston doesn't. The reverse probably would be true if dallasmetropolis had a decent Houston subforum. Also, while Dallas people definitely make posts here that are too excited and/or too positive, Houston folks do just the opposite with negativity and unabashed criticism. But in the end, all of that positive and negative crap put together makes a really entertaining and interesting subforum which is probably why there's so much more activity here than any other Outside Houston subforum.

I think the bigger point is that it doesn't matter whether there's people on the plaza or not. The project is incomplete, and therefore, any opinion or analysis of the whole development right now is incomplete.

Actually i believe that Phase 4 or 5 calls for development north of the AAC. I have no clue how far into the future that phase could get started.

No one beats anyone. They're both losers and had awful ends to their seasons. And the end is all that matters.

Oh, and by the way, alcohol may or may not have played a small role in both of these posts.

I admit, when I wrote my post, especially those last two lines, I let your post get to me too much, and I was pissed. But, it should be known that those last two lines were laced with sarcasm. As for the rest of the post, I stand by it, it's what I think goes on from time to time. Call me a muckraker or whatever the hell you want, but I still think I have a valid point. A lot of these comments go too far sometimes. X, you seem to rip on dallas for a living on this subforum. That's why you got a warning not too long ago. Don't get me wrong, criticism from houston haifers is good, but for the love of god, just show us a little respect every once in a while. thats all I'm asking. Even though it's the internet, and none of us has to see anyone else's ugly face, it'll just help us take what you say more seriously instead of wanting to beat the crap out of you. And for the record, I know that the HCC is more substantiated than this tower, and I think it would be f-ing awesome for downtown Houston. I admit that even though this is just a rendering and not an official announcement yet, it's still a sign of DT houston's further evolution and progress. And I know that's a great thing for the city and Texas overall.

Regardless of the tower's chance of ever getting built (admittedly, slim to none anytime soon), and regardless of whatever dallasboi's true age might be, I think it was extremely naive of him to expect anything but trash talk and bad mouthing from haif. Houstonians on here never fail to take a swipe at Dallas, Dallasites, or their character. By creating a new thread overflowing with unfounded enthusiasm here on haif for these unannounced towers, dallasboi served up a hanging curveball right over the heart of the plate (a la the Rangers pitching staff) for the Houston crowd here to cream there pants over. Now, to all the dallas folks out there, let's go tear apart the dumbasses on the Houston City Centre thread jumping outta their jocks for some ridiculous fantasty that has no shot in hell of getting built - in true haif spirit, of course.

Are there any plans to extend the line out to the airport?

Dude, it's all about subtlety really....the least offensive yet most poignant remarks/criticisms are those that aren't outright negative/derogatory. You gotta mix in the bad with at least a little of the good. Do that and you can say whatever the hell you want, and people will generally genuinely consider what you've got to say. Just my opinion man...

My ideal candidate: Pro-life, in every sense of the word Anti death penalty Strong gun control Environmentally conscious Fiscally conservative ....so...I'm kinda screwed, cuz I don't ever see anyone like that comin along

You said it yourself, it is just a 15 story building. So just relax, breathe, ignore what dallasboi said. and lay off the bashing. We realize you don't like Dallas' lighting, and that's fine. But if you keep going on about it, we'll realize there's less and less of a reason to read your posts and more of a reason to be concerned about your mental health.

Wow, it takes Haif just 8 posts to go from talking about a lighting scheme on a new building to questioning the character of Dallas. Stay classy, Houston.

Not to add any more fuel to the fire, but if you throw in soon-to-be Dallas-based Comerica (#487) the DFW count is 25

Video: http://www.wfaa.com/video/index.html?nvid=136081&shu=1 Deal 'expected' for Goat Hill, former Baby Doe's site April 16th, 2007 A big change may soon be coming to the Dallas skyline. The owners of Goat Hill, the home to Baby Doe's Matchless Mine for three decades, are nearing a deal that would bring dramatic changes to the five acres adjacent to the booming Victory development. WFAA.com mobile journalist, MoJo, Aaron Chimbel, has learned that a zoning change has been requested and a sale could come soon after. Technically, Goat Hill is not Victory, but it is just north of the area, and would have spectacular views of the development. Seeing as this thread has already meandered way the hell off topic, I figured posting this here wouldn't really hurt.

and some people will deny everything they read on the net. whats your point?

This thing is still in its very infancy...give us ten years and then we'll let you know