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Don't get me wrong, i'm very excited and hopeful of Houston Pavilions. I think it will be slightly different from Denver's version because for one: it will be larger. The only thing that i wish Houston has that Denver's has is the movie theatre. I don't think Firstngoal was basing his statement over Denver's residential develpment off Denver Pavilions alone. I guess part of what got me in "the dumps" is the statements saying it will be like another Bayou Place. We all know that place isn't the most happenin' in downtown and i don't want HP to suffer the same fate. I wanna see more people!

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade but ever since this the quoted statement was made, i've wondered if HP will really make a difference downtown Houston. On the other hand, anything like this can only be a positive step for downtown because downtown Houston currently needs some serious help.

Man, that's just terrible!

I currently live about an hour from Denver, so i'm up there quite often. There is pollution but it has improved since the 90s. The lightrail system has been expanding like crazy. I'm hoping to move to Houston because i just love the ethnic diversity and the "free" way of living. Plus my girlfriend goes to TSU! Musicman, when was the last time you were in Denver ?

I think you're right, people are generally just afraid of change from their own world. For the most part, Denver is newer than Houston and is very urban downtown. She could've been talking as someone from the suburbs. She said they had been living down there for a few weeks and were just back in Colorado getting some more of their things. They may have been from the Denver suburbs and just probably ended up in the wrong part of Houston. I'm just surprised that her being an employee of the Uptown/ Galleria area, that didn't help enhance her image of the city a little bit. I know the traffic is bad in that area but it's great as far as aesthetics.

Hey everyone. I'm sorry to start such a miscellaneous question but i'm curious. I was speaking with this young couple who just left Denver and is still in the process of moving to Houston within the next 2 weeks for a job transfer. The wife states that she is so depressed about moving to Houston and wishes she could stay in Denver. I asked her why. She replied, "It's so biggg!" I told her, "The last time i checked, Denver was big too!" The lady went on further to say that Houston is congested, raggedy and etc.... She seemed to have a very negative image of the city, even when i told her to visit Uptown/Galleria area. She said that's where she works and STILL didn't seem very impressed. The last time that i was in Houston, it looked like they have made alot of improvements and several beautification projects were under way. The city really seemed to be shaping up to be a decent looking city. I was somewhat disappointed to find that this person still has that negative impression of Houston. I love Houston so much and want for it to be recognized as a great place to live and visit. So that brings me to my question, Do you all think Houston's image has improved, gotten worse, or stayed the same over the last few years. From the Superbowl, NBA All Star game, Essence 2006, MB All Star Game, Astros World Series and Etc. I'm not taking the opinion of just this one person, i'm talking overall. Please share your thoughts.

You're speaking from a Visitor's aspect. I was saying as a resident, people won't make special trips to Victory every week and won't just be crowded with activity. Especially not the 230 + days that 713-214 gave.

I personally don't think this development is going to turn this area into a crowded city gathering place overnight. And the "230+ days out of the year" figure that 713-214 gave sounded a little too hopeful. Granted, this area will have development, but things will still take time. It will probably be at least 5-10 years before you really notice any impact. There will be few people living here, but not enough to really spur a city buzz that the developers hope. After the looky-loos and browsers see the development, what then? Just like when people first come to Dallas, they see the skyline. After you've seen it, it's not a big deal. The premier feature in this development are the video screens, which are behind AA. More than likely will only really be used as a hang out area after MAVS games.

does anyone know if they decided to put the residential back in the project?

I think you're right, many people on here would love the development if it were in Houston. However, i like the development as is in Dallas. I personally can't help but wonder why these developers chose Dallas over Houston for the location. But i don't want to be accused of trying to start a Dal VS Hou flame war, so we won't get into that. Could you explain why you feel that comapring Greenway Plaza to Dallas Victory is ridiculous though?

anyone have any updates on this project? When is groundbreaking supposed to start?

I don't see how we could get a no when there's been several leases signed and funds secured for the project?

I trust you know what you're talking about seeing you ususally have an inside scoop. But is there any way to confirm this? But, I guess, there was no official article or announcement saying that the former MBar was slated to become a Walgreens

Obviously crazed and over-excited marketers that continue to try to promote Dallas to be something it's not and could never be. All Dallas port will be is an extention of Houston's Port. It will hardly be a epicenter for transportation and distribution of goods in the U.S. If this is how Dallas is going to act, i'd rather the port not be built period, or either give it to San Antonio .

Before we get back to the Pavilions comparison, i just want to say that i agree with Houston19514 and question how you can say that Greenway Plaza is not comaprable to Victory. Not to start any war but i notice you say that you're familiar with both cities quite often when making a comparison. The only real thing that the website suggested is that Victory is a newer, hotter development with a fancier website with all the bells and whistles. When it all comes down to it, the developments are basically the same. Both are mixed use, master-planned developments with hotels and office buildings. One is 40 years older, so it's not quite as fancy as the other. One is 5 miles from the CBD, one is .5 from the CBD. The funny thing about it, Greenway is still growing and for the better. The last time i was in Houston, they had constructed quite a few new residences and Office buildings within the Greenway Plaza area and is coming along quite nicely. Like 19514 mentioned, the Metropole will be coming along as well. Just admit 713-214 that you're very biased when it comes to your comparisons of Houston and Dallas. Your name says it all!

I'll admit i never saw downtown Houston prior to 2000. I'm almost glad i hadn't considering the stories i've been hearing. I'm prety much comparing downtown Houston as is to what i see in downtown Denver. While both downtowns are nice, i have to say that downtown Denver is a more live and happening place. I understand that Denver started revitalizing its downtown way before Houston. also Denver doesn't have several business districts to compete with, so that's understandable. When i say that downtown Houston needs to keep up with the times and build everything closer to downtown is basically suggesting to steer away from sprawled-out environments. Let's continue to urbanize the central part of Houston so it won't give that "donut" vibe. The donut vibe suggest that the live is everywhere else, but not in the center where it should be.

I guess i can see how people say that Victory development and Greenway are similar. It's just that Victory has more advantages like: 1) Its newer 2) It's connected by rail 3) It's more walkable 4) It's closer to the CBD I just think that Houston better keep up with the times and continue to build around its downtown until they can't build no more. I can't help but wonder if the Intermodal Station, Hardy railyard development, and Houston Pavilions are just pipe dreams. I hope they all happen and FAST!

Where's the retail in Greenway out of curiousity (Other than those new shops in front of those new apartments off Timmons facing 59)

It has been confirmed in an article about a year ago that adding a subway in Houston is feasible. I'll find the article and post it later.

Right, if Dallas can do it, why Can't Houston. Simple Question. That's not confrontational at all. I neither live in Houston or Dallas so i have no reason to start any battle. You're being hell of ridiculous by trying to make a simple question become a war. I think you're paranoid as hell. That's mainly because of the flamewars that go on between Dal and Hou. If you read my posts, you see that i rarely, if ever participate in those battles. So don't bring that crap over my way... BUD! What i mean is Dallas and Houston have access to the same funds that TXDOT allows. Forgive me if i'm not as educated as you but it only makes sense .

I was only asking... musicman. It's you who's trying to make this a city VS city thing. I was just curious how Dallas was able to pull off the cost of running a line underground and Houston has all these cost issues. Both cities are supposed to have the same access to the same resources.

Why can't they just put the darn thing underground in a section near the 610/59 interchange? I know some might think its unrealistic but why is it such a cost issue in Houston. I mean if Dallas could do it, what is the problem with Houston?

" ditto on Gary's response."

Sometimes i have to question you when you say you support LRT. Some of your statements indicate that you don't know if you support Light rail or not.

Well , that's why i asked you if it was apart of a joke. And we haven't seen any pics of Dallas night life on this thread, so this can't be a picture comparison thread with Dallas.