Elseed
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This entire stupid boondoggle of a project makes me realize how much of a worthless useless organization TXDOT is. It also made me realize just how spineless and corrupt politicians are.
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This entire building should just be filled with murals, inside and out. That would be an awesome site to see.
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13 minutes ago, H-Town Man said:
It's a market, not a mall. I was at Dallas Farmer's Market last weekend. They've got one open-air building where fresh produce is still sold, essentially what the Houston Farmer's Market is, but the main attraction is a big climate-controlled building that has food vendors and shops. That's basically what this is, only this is way bigger and of solid construction. More solid than pretty much any modern industrial building.
Market? Arent we already getting a brand new redeveloped yuppified Farmers Market with the Caninos Redevelopment?
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m.e.h........another mall....
Houston Center ----> Sucks
Bayou Place ----------> Sucks
Houston Pavilions/GreenStreet -----> Sucks but getting better very slowly
Downtown Tunnels ------> Single worst development in Downtown Houston history.
Was really excited to see what was going to happen with this site but not anymore...The city should've gave the building to University of Houston-Downtown and just let the school
expand its footprint...but they decided the building is better off being an indoor mall straight from 1977.
This project should be called PreHTX...because its everything lame Houston developers are known for.
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On 3/15/2019 at 12:26 AM, dbigtex56 said:
In summary: on one side, we have Reefmonkey, an environmental engineer, who has provided both his expertise and facts and figures to support his observations.
On the other, we have someone who seems to believe that mentioning the Hamptons and referring to people as "bud" (while providing absolutely nothing of substance) makes him One Cool Dude.
Who should I believe?
Tellin' you, I'm torn....torn.Believe whomever you want to believe. On one hand you got some NIMBY "environmental engineer" who wants, excuse me; demands people to agree with him or
he's going to do the writing equivalent of slamming his hands on the ground and cry or you can choose to believe someone............on second thought, you sound exactly like a pretentious NIMBY just like Ole Reefmonkey, I don't want you on Team El Seed lol......quantity not quality.....anywho...cheers! Til next time bud!
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On 3/20/2019 at 5:07 PM, Reefmonkey said:
He doesn't even know what he's advocating, he can't articulate it. Try asking him for any details at all:
On 12/10/2018 at 1:56 PM, Elseed said:
There should be a crystal blue lagoon development in Galveston. Along with some Hampton's type development.
On 12/17/2018 at 6:56 AM, Reefmonkey said:
What exactly do you mean by “crystal blue lagoon development “?
And what do you mean by “Hampton’s type development?” The Hamptons are a bunch of 200-300 year old towns, how do we recreate that artificially and why should we want to try to become an inferior wannabe clone of a NY East Coast experience instead of the authentic Gulf Coast town we already are?
On 12/23/2018 at 9:43 PM, Elseed said:
What I mean is; there should be a a crystal clear blue lagoon development created in/around Galveston Beach. This project would be close to the beach and it will have a crystal clear blue lagoon anchoring it.
As for “Hampton’s type development”, I mean; there should be a “Hampton’s type development" in Galveston. No one said it has to be exactly like the Hampton's, that's why I wrote; “Hampton’s type development." Notice the word "type." This development doesn't have to be inferior and it could essentially be just a neighborhood; at first. Then it can grow to whatever the developers or the city's hearts desires. Also, the "authentic Gulf Coast town" experience is a pretty crappy experience if you ask me. You've got to have vision Reefmonkey or you'll just continue to make the same crappy development that Houston and Texas is so used too.
Maybe I didn't articulate it perfectly but AnTonY gets it. Galveston has so much potential. It has potential to be a Savannah or Charleston or whatever it wants itself to be.
The problem is people like you who have no vision, no pride in your community, and quite frankly, "no swag" want Galveston to be the same or at best a poor mans Mobile, Alabama ( No offense to Mobile). If people like you were with the Allen Bros in 1836 all you would've saw is a mosquito infested swamp not a thriving port city that they envisioned. You probably called Tillman a fool for wanting to build a boardwalk even after the original got destroyed, but he still did it; visionary. You would've probably be against spending millions in developing Discovery Green in Downtown Houston but somebody thought it was a great idea; a vision. Whatever Galveston does it MUST be world class. Its got too much going for it not to be: close to a major metropolis, beaches, charming urban city center, historically preserved buildings, close to at least 4 other major cities (N.O., S.A., Dallas, ATX), theme parks. Having nothing less than the best or should I say aiming for nothing less than the best is really doing Galveston a disservice. So there you have it. Oh, but one thing that is clear as day is; this whole topic has really gotten your panties in a bunch lol. Its OK snowflake we're on the same team. No need to be a NIMBY.
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On 3/20/2019 at 1:33 PM, AnTonY said:
I don't think his idea was to "copy Miami Beach or Hamptons" in so much as its just advocation of general growth/improvement of Galveston.
You sir have hit the target.
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On 1/7/2019 at 8:54 AM, Reefmonkey said:
Well since I laid out very detailed reasons in both threads why your ideas for Galveston development are ill-considered, and all you could come up with in response was "no, I'm right, it would be amazing," it's pretty obvious to anyone who reads these threads that you are not right, and have no idea what you're talking about, as others have attempted to point out to you.
Sorry bud but I'm right and you're wrong. Don't worry, thankfully, the City of Galveston is wiser than Reefmonkey. Also, I'm than sure my type of developments will be more
commonplace. Better luck next time bud.
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On 1/7/2019 at 10:25 AM, Reefmonkey said:
Don't worry, thankfully, the City of Galveston is wiser than Elseed, after Ike they determined that investing any more money in infrastructure that would allow large-scale development beyond the seawall was irresponsible, and that (along with the economic downturn) cratered a proposed high rise development at Stewart Road and 12-Mile Road. The development had no business being there in the first place, as well as being environmentally unsustainable would have been a bad neighbor to surrounding neighborhoods that were already there. The developer had already broken ground (regrading and digging "lakes") and had presold some units, so certainly was out a bit of money when the project was cancelled, and in 10 years nobody has picked up where they left off because COG said they won't put in sewer and water to service the demand a highrise would create.
Sorry bud you're wrong and I'm right. The Houston/Galveston area needs some more cool almost outlandish ideas to put the city at the forefront of the world. Like it should be. Think Dubai.
However, lame Houstonians, like yourself only want a future of Applebees and Big Box Wal-Marts as far as the eyes can see. Fortunately, there are some good developers thinking of some cool things for Houston and Galveston in the future.
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On 1/2/2019 at 11:43 AM, Reefmonkey said:
You've just repeated what you have said, without any clarification or attempt to operationally define what you mean.
I've been to the Hamptons before. The public beaches are crowded and not really all that much more picturesque than Galveston, plus parking is expensive and kind of a nightmare, as is even getting to the Hamptons from New York City on a summer weekend. The hip restaurants and bars are expensive and difficult to get into - even difficult to get a reservation at, unless you're "somebody" (ie, famous or well-known to be rich). A lot of the best shoreline is inaccessible to the hoi polloi, can't even be seen behind high privacy walls.
On the "crystal clear blue lagoon" are you saying you want a large sheltered body of water, in which the water has no turbidity from suspended sediments or phytoplankton? First, you're going to have to have a sealed bottom, like concrete or gunnite, to replace the natural silt that makes up Galveston Island which gets stirred up and causes much of the turbidity in Galveston bay and beach water. Then, whatever water you fill this impoundment with is going to have to be continually filtered to prevent the impoundment from becoming a stagnant algae-choked swamp. One way to go would be to filter seawater through a semi-closed system. You'd have to have pretty good retention time on the water to eventually get rid of the finest suspended solids, but you'd also need to bring in new water periodically to keep your nutrient load low to reduce algae growth, and to replace water lost to evaporation. It would be a constant balancing act, and pretty energy and maintenance-intensive (read: expensive) for an impoundment of any size to handle the kinds of crowds who might be interested in it. It would never be "crystal clear", but could be significantly clearer than the bay or the beachwater. And it's never going to be blue, because you're going to have algae growth on your hard artificial bottom, so it's going to be green, not blue, plus that algae growth will make that hard bottom slippery, as anyone who has ever waded on a boat ramp knows.
The only option that would actually give you "crystal clear blue" water would be to chlorinate, which would give you a giant swimming pool, which Galveston already has in Palm Beach at Moody Gardens, and at Schlitterbahn, for that matter. Seems you're the one who might have the problem with vision, Elseed, since you apparently overlooked these two attractions. Just like you overlooked Beachtown on the Hamptons side of your wish list. It appears your impression of Galveston being a "pretty crappy experience" stems from being ill-informed about what the island actually has to offer. In 2016 6.5 million visitors spent $780 million dollars in Galveston, which generated $1.1 billion in total business sales, including indirect and induced impacts. Compare that to the 2.25 million people who visited the Florida Keys, which have a more year-round vacation climate, that same year. Seems Galveston is doing pretty well attracting visitors, despite your opinion of it. Why don't you go to the Hamptons and see how far you'd get on the same amount of money it takes to have a nice summer weekend down in Galveston? Or maybe since you seem partial to artificial manufactured simulacra of some "ideal" destination, you'd be more comfortable at Disneyworld?
Sorry bud but I'm right. Galveston should have a Hamptons type development. It'll be amazing. Oh, and Galveston should have a man made lagoon. It'll look amazing. It'll be breathtaking.
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On 1/2/2019 at 12:10 PM, Reefmonkey said:
Oh yeah, and pushing for spending large sums of money for intensive luxury developments on a low-lying, hurricane-prone barrier island in a time of rising sea levels is just so "forward thinking."🙄 You accuse me of “not being good at business,” but assessing risk is an important part of business you’re apparently completely clueless about.
Another point on your ridiculous "let's make Galveston a playground for the uber rich" premise, at the end of the canal my family's vacation home in Galveston is on, is a house that belonged to Ken Lay of Enron until his death. The next canal over, the house that Joe Jamail built in 1987 after he was the winning lawyer on the Texaco-Pennzoil lawsuit. The $10.5 billion dollar judgement was the largest in history to date, and the joke was that Jamail let Pennzoil keep some of the money. Galveston has been a playground for the uber rich of Houston for over 30 years (at least), even before it had the "crystal clear lagoon" (which it has now had in Palm Beach at Moody Gardens for over 20), and even without "Hamptons-type developments". Any uber-rich person who still finds Galveston lacking isn't going to be swayed into making the hour and a half drive to Galveston by the addition of another "crystal clear blue lagoon" chlorinated pool or more Beachtown-like developments, he's going to hop in his G6 and either go to the real Hamptons or the Caribbean in 2 and a half hours. Anyone who is "good at business" would tell you that suggestiong Galveston try to capture that market is idiotic.
Nah, it'll be worth it.
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On 1/2/2019 at 11:54 AM, Reefmonkey said:
Seems you're the one without any imagination as you seem to need every beach town to be some artificial Disneyfied simulacrum of another place in order for you to be able to enjoy it. And it's obvious from your other "make it like the Hamptons" post in the other thread, you actually have very little knowledge of what Galveston actually has to offer, as you were completely unaware of Beachtown until someone else brought it up, and your calls for a "crystal clear blue lagoon", which can only be accomplished via chlorination, are already available on the island at Moody Garden's Palm Beach and Schlitterbahn. I'd say that you should spend more time on the island so that you actually know what the island has to offer before you start dictating what it "needs", but it would be better if you just stayed away. Since Galveston in 2016 brought in nearly 3 times the visitors of the Florida Keys, it doesn't need visitors like you to "discover" what the rest of us already know and appreciate about it.
Nah, I like my idea better.
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On 12/24/2018 at 8:00 AM, Texasota said:
Catering to the "uber rich" is pretty much the exact opposite of "having an imagination." Galveston has enough actual problems that should be addressed; turning it into a playground for the wealthy would not be helpful.
Nah, thats limited thinking. Thats a very old school backwards texan type thinking. Turning it into a playground for the rich would be ideal.
On 12/24/2018 at 11:39 AM, Ross said:Galveston is fine as it is. There is no need for any further big development. There's no reason to turn the Island into a Texas version of Miami Beach, or any other place. In fact, making the entire island a state park with minimal development would be great.
It would be awesome if it could be a hybrid of South Beach and New Orleans. Its kinda lame as it is.
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On 12/24/2018 at 11:36 AM, Ross said:
Nope. There should be no further development West of the Seawall, and every effort made to remove existing development there. Behind the seawall, there should be no additional highrise development. In other words, let's not destroy Galveston by overbuilding crappy million dollar beach houses when there's no need for them.
Nah, I think they're should be more development in Galveston. Just not any lame development.
On 12/24/2018 at 9:54 AM, Houston19514 said:Well there ya have it! Just more of it and much cooler for cooler people.
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On 12/19/2018 at 1:54 PM, Reefmonkey said:
Enough with wanting Galveston to be the Hamptons. Why is Galveston "supposed" to be like the Hamptons instead of just being Galveston? Should every beach resort town near a major metropolitan area be transformed into a soulless Hamptons clone for the "uber rich" and "uber rich" wannabes?
You're probably not very good in business. Nor do you have an imagination; pity.
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On 12/17/2018 at 6:56 AM, Reefmonkey said:
What exactly do you mean by “crystal blue lagoon development “?
What I mean is; there should be a a crystal clear blue lagoon development created in/around Galveston Beach. This project would be close to the beach and it will have a crystal clear blue lagoon anchoring it.
On 12/17/2018 at 6:56 AM, Reefmonkey said:And what do you mean by “Hampton’s type development?” The Hamptons are a bunch of 200-300 year old towns, how do we recreate that artificially and why should we want to try to become an inferior wannabe clone of a NY East Coast experience instead of the authentic Gulf Coast town we already are?
As for “Hampton’s type development”, I mean; there should be a “Hampton’s type development" in Galveston. No one said it has to be exactly like the Hampton's, that's why I wrote; “Hampton’s type development." Notice the word "type." This development doesn't have to be inferior and it could essentially be just a neighborhood; at first. Then it can grow to whatever the developers or the city's hearts desires. Also, the "authentic Gulf Coast town" experience is a pretty crappy experience if you ask me. You've got to have vision Reefmonkey or you'll just continue to make the same crappy development that Houston and Texas is so used too.
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18 hours ago, UtterlyUrban said:
I disagree.
20-years ago, the mall was full of decent stores. There was a brooks brothers, a mid-tier jewelry store (‘corrigans” as I recall), luggage store, men’s shoe store, a fancy candy store and lots more. How do I know this?
Well..... I bought clothes at brooks brothers for myself. Johnson and Murphy dress Shoes at the shoe store, pearl earrings at the jewelry store for my wife, an expensive Jack George briefcase at the luggage store, and my friend owned the candy store. The mall was NOT “lame” since “day one”.... it was quite functional and a place where downtown office people actually shopped.
Sorry bud, it was and always will be lame.
21 hours ago, swtsig said:hence the reason they're about to undergo a major renovation.
please never stop posting.
You got it brother!
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Mehh. The Houston shops has been lame just like the downtown tunnels since day one.
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There should be a crystal blue lagoon development in Galveston. Along with some Hampton's type development.
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Walked by and it looked like work has been done but still no clue as to what is going on. I hope they open a live music venue or a comedy club.
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The entire building should just have murals on it.That would look pretty sweet. Either way I hope they don't tear it down. Abandoned or not we still needs as many buildings as possible in the city.
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Any updates?
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On 8/13/2018 at 9:35 PM, Ross said:
Why would I eat at Applebees? Their food is mediocre. I live inside the loop, but seldom go Downtown for events or food - there's not much to attract me to the area. I don't go to bars, and the restaurants Downtown aren't that attractive, given the choices elsewhere in the City. No need to pity me, I've lived here for 40 years, in a variety of areas. I love Houston, but don't want it to be another version of some other city.
I pity you.
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