AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Oh. I had guessed "Westheimer And Montrose Meet". For the record, I loathe those made-up acronym neighborhood names.I just figured it had something to do with George Michael. The double M's stood for "More Men." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Westheimer Alabama Montrose Mulberry. http://www.wammcivic.org/That website's really up-to-date. Did you hear? The 2008 Greek Fest is coming up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
names Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Congrats to the Atrocious'Mon!My sophomore year of college I lived in 1st Montrose Commons. It was ideal since I had landed a job in the area and was able to walk to work, eat lunch at home, and generally do everything I do now in the car. I really do miss that D&Q market. BTW is courtland place a private road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 BTW is courtland place a private road?Yep. It's gated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkieEric Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 That neighborhood listed as "Montrose" on your list is probably referring to WAMM on this map: I think when most people refer to Montrose or The 'Trose, they refer to everything on this map except for North Montrose and not only WAMM (not entirely sure what that stands for). Now wait...so what do they refer to the red area as? I've heard North Montrose, but honestly, I think they are referring to it as the north part of Montrose and not a separate entity or whatever. I've always considered it Montrose but definitely on the fringe...and not what people would necessarily think of when the neighborhood comes to mind. I guess the confusion isn't all that unusual on the edges of a neighborhood since it's not like there is an obvious change across a single street - my part of Montrose in 77098 is often referred to as Upper Kirby/Montrose (or just Upper Kirby). Of course, that seems to be a har.com only trend Either way, the difference between the neighborhoods here is much less than, say, the difference between the Heights and Washington Ave. I think you'd find people taking both sides there as well...it's clearly not The Heights to me, but again, what does it really matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Now wait...so what do they refer to the red area as? I've heard North Montrose, but honestly, I think they are referring to it as the north part of Montrose and not a separate entity or whatever. I've always considered it Montrose but definitely on the fringe...and not what people would necessarily think of when the neighborhood comes to mind. I guess the confusion isn't all that unusual on the edges of a neighborhood since it's not like there is an obvious change across a single street - my part of Montrose in 77098 is often referred to as Upper Kirby/Montrose (or just Upper Kirby). Of course, that seems to be a har.com only trendEither way, the difference between the neighborhoods here is much less than, say, the difference between the Heights and Washington Ave. I think you'd find people taking both sides there as well...it's clearly not The Heights to me, but again, what does it really matter?There are as many ways to define these neighborhoods as there are neighborhoods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgr Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Those are the boundaries of "Super Neighborhood 24 - Neartown-Montrose" which may or may not be the same thing as "Montrose". I should think that when people say they are "in the Montrose" they may or may not be referring to the boundaries of "Super Neighborhood 24 - Neartown-Montrose", but chances are good that they are probably not. Just because a council was formed for a certain Super Neighborhood area does not mean that's the commonly-accepted boundaries of the neighborhoods common name, in this case Montrose.Let me drive the point home.Super-Neighborhood 24 lists the following neighborhoods as contained within it:Hence Montrose is considered a neighborhood within SN24, QED.by this logic, saint thomas is not in montrose. now i'm really confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 by this logic, saint thomas is not in montrose. now i'm really confused.Suppose we call Montrose a sub-Super Neighborhood that encompasses some of the other neighborhoods like Avondale and Cherryhurst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgr Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Yep. It's gated.are you sure that it's private? you just drive up to the gate and it opens. of course, the road just dead ends, so there's no point of entering unless you want to see someone or are just looking around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 by this logic, saint thomas is not in montrose. now i'm really confused.It's in Montrose. Think of Kingwood or the Woodlands as suburban analogues. The neighborhood is the Woodlands, but it has subdivisions called other things like Piney Echoes or Morning Woods or something else wistful and unimaginative. The same is true in Montrose.Also, and as an aside, I just read through a few pages of comments on the Chron post about this, and I have to admit I'm fascinated by those posters. They are bizarre. According to some of those posters, there is a heroin addict and a child molester hiding in every bush and under every rock in the neighborhood. Apparently leather-clad priapic gay men are running around the neighborhood sticking their junk in every available hole, day or night. Schizophrenics run around the area with knives and guns, shooting and stabbing everybody in their path. Antique shops, porn stores and tattoo parlors are the only businesses around (except for a handful of second-rate restaurants - second rate since it isn't a TGIFriday's or a Red Lobster). Strange, I was raised in the 'burbs, Humble to be exact, and I remember a good deal of crime, drugs, guns, knives, homosexuality, mental illness and porn stores (tattoo shops weren't really big when I was growing up, so they weren't as common yet). Hell, I even knew a guy who had been molested when he was a kid. In my experience, the 'burbs have all the dirt and grime of the city, but it's hidden behind a thin plastic veneer. Just crazy. I wonder where those people get these fascinating misconceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0123 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 This is random, but does anyone know why Montrose is laid out in a grid pattern w/ roads running North-South, East-West... but the Cherryhurst/Hyde Park area along Waugh is all crooked such that the grid get's bent up? That one section between Dunlavy, W. Gray, Waugh, and Westheimer never made sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 are you sure that it's private? you just drive up to the gate and it opens. of course, the road just dead ends, so there's no point of entering unless you want to see someone or are just looking around.I'd never tried that, but it begs the question, "Why have a gate?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Just crazy. I wonder where those people get these fascinating misconceptions. at least there's no one there that has sex with female corpses. oh wait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgr Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I'd never tried that, but it begs the question, "Why have a gate?"it probably keeps some people out. otherwise, no idea.as for the previous post, i think you misunderstood me. i was questioning kylejack's logic of using his list of neighborhoods to separate montrose from superneighborhood 24 or whatever it was called--saint thomas was also on that list, and by that logic, it would be separate from montrose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 This is random, but does anyone know why Montrose is laid out in a grid pattern w/ roads running North-South, East-West... but the Cherryhurst/Hyde Park area along Waugh is all crooked such that the grid get's bent up? That one section between Dunlavy, W. Gray, Waugh, and Westheimer never made sense to me.I don't know how much merit this speculation has, but I'll attempt to answer your question anyhow...I'm pretty sure it has to do with the bends in Westheimer right there. Those crooked roads run parallel to Westheimer. Looong before Montrose existed, many, many moons ago, Westheimer was a dirt path extending from Elgin to a farm owned by a guy named (you guessed it) Westheimer. I think, and this is the speculative part, when Montrose was developed, they didn't alter the path of Westheimer's original road. The bends that currently exist are pretty much the same bends that existed when the whole area was a field. Why they built the roads parallel to Westheimer on the north but not the south is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb320 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 are you sure that it's private? you just drive up to the gate and it opens. of course, the road just dead ends, so there's no point of entering unless you want to see someone or are just looking around.They bought it in the 80's and gated up both ends. You used to be able to enter on the Taft side too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 at least there's no one there that has sex with female corpses. oh wait? I was going to make a joke about suburban housewives resembling corpses in bed, but I can't figure how to word it, so just come up with your own one-liner with the tools I've given you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I wonder if this guy got ripped in four weeks while in Montrose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Even HoustonPress has, um, differing comments. Now, I'm not necessarily taking Montrose's side or against it, but I'll give my opinion. 1. Montrose is not for everyone. 2. Montrose is not necessarily "better" than the suburbs. 3. The suburbs are not necessarily "better" than Montrose. 4. Montrose is a very "rowdy" neighborhood (as in, lots of festivals, music, etc....not necessarily crime). 5. People who speak against Montrose and its residents do have a right to their own opinion...if you call a Montrose nay-sayer a "suburbanite homophobe" (or a variant on that), why do you think you're a better person than them? That's all I'm going to say. Peace out, calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 They bought it in the 80's and gated up both ends. You used to be able to enter on the Taft side too.Who is they? The Masons? The Illuminati? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 This is random, but does anyone know why Montrose is laid out in a grid pattern w/ roads running North-South, East-West... but the Cherryhurst/Hyde Park area along Waugh is all crooked such that the grid get's bent up? That one section between Dunlavy, W. Gray, Waugh, and Westheimer never made sense to me. hopefully this map will provide some insight. you can see how the areas were platted in 1913 and what they have morphed into currently (including street name changes like hathaway[b/t elgin and montrose], now known as westheimer). kylejack may be devastated what the map references as montrose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgr Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 They bought it in the 80's and gated up both ends. You used to be able to enter on the Taft side too.neat. any idea about why you can just drive in? fire department, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Even HoustonPress has, um, differing comments. Now, I'm not necessarily taking Montrose's side or against it, but I'll give my opinion. 1. Montrose is not for everyone. 2. Montrose is not necessarily "better" than the suburbs. 3. The suburbs are not necessarily "better" than Montrose. 4. Montrose is a very "rowdy" neighborhood (as in, lots of festivals, music, etc....not necessarily crime). 5. People who speak against Montrose and its residents do have a right to their own opinion...if you call a Montrose nay-sayer a "suburbanite homophobe" (or a variant on that), why do you think you're a better person than them? That's all I'm going to say. Peace out, calm down. Because I'm not a homophobe. That makes me better than them. Suburban/Urban is a matter of preference, but intolerance is just classless and it exemplifies poor breeding and worse rearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 5. People who speak against Montrose and its residents do have a right to their own opinion...if you call a Montrose nay-sayer a "suburbanite homophobe" (or a variant on that), why do you think you're a better person than them?I have a right to my own opinion of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I was going to make a joke about suburban housewives resembling corpses in bedi wasn't joking. it was on the news a couple of days ago and he has been charged with sex abuse of a corpse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 i wasn't joking. it happened a couple of days ago.On Law & Order: SVU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 hopefully this map will provide some insight. you can see how the areas were platted in 1913 and what they have morphed into currently (including street name changes like hathaway[b/t elgin and montrose], now known as westheimer). kylejack may be devastated what the map references as montrose.Cool map! Interesting to see just how much some things have changed in this city. 100 years isn't a long time. It'll be interesting to see how this city changes in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 On Law & Order: SVU?13 news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucesw Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 neat. any idea about why you can just drive in? fire department, maybe?According to what we were told on a GHPA tour a couple of years ago, most homeowners wanted to buy the street and close it off to cut down on thru traffic to all the business in the area but at least one homeowner objected to the idea and took the others to court to block the action. A settlement was worked out where the street was closed at one end, gated at the other, but the gate would not require a code, card or sticker to get in, it would just open automatically when you drive up. I think this also saved the expense of having to pay someone to sit in a guardhouse.It works very well to keep out not only thru traffic but sightseers who are intimidated by the presence of the closed gate.Oh, and on the original topic, hurray for Montrose, whatever the boundaries are. I lived there in the 70s and wished I could buy the place I was renting but I couldn't afford it so had to move farther out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticaFlinch Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 13 news.I heard a rumor it was Glenn Beck, and he did it in 1990, not last week:http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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