houstonmacbro Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I am not that big of a meat eater to start with ... definitely not sure I want to eat cloned meats! Yuck! *** US body backs sale of cloned food A series of studies have said cloned meat is safe to eat Meat and milk from cloned animals is safe for human consumption, the US food regulator said in a draft ruling. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) ruled that cloned cattle, pigs and goats produced food "as safe as the food we eat every day". The recommendation, coming after a five-year study, is a major step towards allowing food from animals onto US supermarket shelves. A public consultation period will take place before final approval is given. Opponents say a majority of US consumers are against animal cloning. Full article here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Good news. Rather than relying upon selective breeding methods, now we can just take the biggest and best from the herd and replicate it with consistent results. When we get higher average outputs for the same or lower average inputs in a competitive market, prices will drop.It'll benefit the poor more than the wealthy, though. I fully expect a bunch of elitists with no sympathy for the poor to try and be a roadblock, but hopefully this'll won't get shot down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 So you're saying the wealthy will be able to afford pure (or non-cloned meats) while the poor get poor-quality replicated meat?Talk about taking disturbing to new levels of grossness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 (edited) How long was the study done? Five years? Uh, okay. Sorry--not near enough time in my book. "Soylent Green is people! IT'S PEEEEEEEEEEE-OPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Edited December 29, 2006 by Parrothead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I''d eat it. What's the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 So you're saying the wealthy will be able to afford pure (or non-cloned meats) while the poor get poor-quality replicated meat?Talk about taking disturbing to new levels of grossness.Who said anything about meat from cloned meat being of lower quality? In fact, I'd wager that the quality of the meat has a good shot at increasing. After all, if there are two farms using cloning to inexpensively create animals, but one farm's genetic strain produces a better taste than the other or has better nutritional qualities, then that farm can charge more for its product. And there is incentive for the other farm to improve its product in order to compete more effectively.I'm sure that there'd be a market for non-cloned meat...some people don't have a firm grasp or trust of science. And I'm sure that the market would be disproportionately comprised of wealthier folks, since the cost of the product would be somewhat higher. But the price probably wouldn't be all that different from what it is now...the only thing different would be that there is a lower-priced alternative with more consistent (and probably higher) level of quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 (edited) Who said anything about meat from cloned meat being of lower quality? In fact, I'd wager that the quality of the meat has a good shot at increasing. After all, if there are two farms using cloning to inexpensively create animals, but one farm's genetic strain produces a better taste than the other or has better nutritional qualities, then that farm can charge more for its product. And there is incentive for the other farm to improve its product in order to compete more effectively.I'm sure that there'd be a market for non-cloned meat...some people don't have a firm grasp or trust of science. And I'm sure that the market would be disproportionately comprised of wealthier folks, since the cost of the product would be somewhat higher. But the price probably wouldn't be all that different from what it is now...the only thing different would be that there is a lower-priced alternative with more consistent (and probably higher) level of quality.I was trying to understand what TheNiche was saying about it being better for the poor.And for the record ... I do not trust the current meat industry. I think some weird, harsh, gross, and perhaps inhumane things happen to get the food from MacFarms to our tables.I certainly don't think that is gonna change with cloned meats. Edited December 29, 2006 by houstonmacbro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I would eat it. Hell i pretty much eat anything that slows down as it is. This will be no different!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 Eew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 (edited) I don't think some of you understand WHY they are "cloning" for the meat. You will quite possibly get a consistently GOOD piece of meat, without worry of "Mad Cow" or other hidden factors. They are using cattle DNA from only the strongest in the herds, you know, the cows that tasted the best after being roasted over and open flame, and trying to insure that WE the consumers get a better, healthier piece of meat.Bring on the "clones" and the A1, it's what's for dinner ! Edited December 29, 2006 by TJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 I'd wager that cloning is still unsafe to the animals it produces and probably to the food supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 (edited) I'd wager that cloning is still unsafe to the animals it produces and probably to the food supply.How so ? All I see is Ranchers trying to make changes so that epidemics, like Mad Cow, DO NOT spread. Edited December 29, 2006 by TJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Bring on the "clones" and the A1, it's what's for dinner ! Clones yes, A1, no. Good steak needs no dressing Just proper seasoning and a knife and fork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 Let's wonder for a moment (sciFi here) that something inside the beef, or lamb, or pork (heaven only knows what's swimming in swine blood ...) that gets cloned as well.So now we have a duplicate (I'm guessing) or a something less than a duplicate.Who knows ...The fact is, there could also be other contagions that get cloned, evolve, or devolve ... and we have a new epidemic on our hands through our own short-sightedness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 And for the record ... I do not trust the current meat industry. I think some weird, harsh, gross, and perhaps inhumane things happen to get the food from MacFarms to our tables.I certainly don't think that is gonna change with cloned meats.This much I agree with you on, but I could really care less so long as those weird, harsh, gross, and perhaps inhumane things don't bruise the muscle or cause a release of lactic acid. That'd result in a gamey taste.Let's wonder for a moment (sciFi here) that something inside the beef, or lamb, or pork (heaven only knows what's swimming in swine blood ...) that gets cloned as well.So now we have a duplicate (I'm guessing) or a something less than a duplicate.Who knows ...The fact is, there could also be other contagions that get cloned, evolve, or devolve ... and we have a new epidemic on our hands through our own short-sightedness.Who knows? Scientists, that's who.Biological contagions are seperate organisms with seperate DNA. Chemical agents don't clone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Let's wonder for a moment (sciFi here) that something inside the beef, or lamb, or pork (heaven only knows what's swimming in swine blood ...) that gets cloned as well.So now we have a duplicate (I'm guessing) or a something less than a duplicate. Who knows ... The fact is, there could also be other contagions that get cloned, evolve, or devolve ... and we have a new epidemic on our hands through our own short-sightedness. Cure for that is to cook your meat all the way through Beef, its whats for dinner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 Remember in Aliens they tried to freeze that mofo and it didn't work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Let's wonder for a moment (sciFi here) that something inside the beef, or lamb, or pork (heaven only knows what's swimming in swine blood ...) that gets cloned as well.So now we have a duplicate (I'm guessing) or a something less than a duplicate.Who knows ...The fact is, there could also be other contagions that get cloned, evolve, or devolve ... and we have a new epidemic on our hands through our own short-sightedness.If that were the case, even if scientists could NOT detect the virus, it would be too late anyway. Viruses tend to mutate and come back stronger everytime. What is the alternative ? Become a vegan, but that ain't happening for me. I'll take my chances as long as I have a full bottle of propane, and 500* of heat for 5 minutes on each side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 Hey man ... I hear you. I am not advocating becoming a vegetarian or a vegan. Eat meat. But eat meat responsibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Remember in Aliens they tried to freeze that mofo and it didn't work... Well, if a steak I cut into starts shooting "acid blood" at me, then I'll worry about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I always find people that are vegans living in Texas to be funny. Texas, the beef capitol of the world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Viruses tend to mutate and come back stronger everytime.I suppose that would be one legitimate disadvantage to cloning. With less biological diversity, all it would take is one really aggressive virus to kill off a pretty sizable chunk of the cattle population. Nearly all of the livestock would have the same immunities and the same vulnerabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 (edited) I suppose that would be one legitimate disadvantage to cloning. With less biological diversity, all it would take is one really aggressive virus to kill off a pretty sizable chunk of the cattle population. Nearly all of the livestock would have the same immunities and the same vulnerabilities.Here is another fun fact from the cattle population. There are over 750 different breeds recognized, and about 79 have gone extinct in the last 10 years. Mad Cow, is one big reason. It was kind of like the birdflu, massive amounts of beef were destroyed in order to irradicate the disease. Very sad, but it is kinda like being Doctor Korvorkian for cows. The disease is much less humane than putting the animal out of their misery promptly. This is exactly the reason WHY some Ranchers are turning to cloning. There are some Ranchers who oppose it. Those Ranchers are the ones who can't afford the technology to do such science in their barns, and could lose money to others that can claim their beef could be risk free.I am gonna go roll the dice and go get a burger from Jack in the Crack. Edited December 29, 2006 by TJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 What is so bad about cloned meat. It will probably taste good. When will they start cloning shrimp so I can have more of this: How about the hamburgers bits for pizza: (ya, I had the shrimp for dinner last night and the pizza for lunch today). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 Hmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Looks like TRAE is serving up heart attack on a plate.....sign me up, that looks delicious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Looks like TRAE is serving up heart attack on a plate.....sign me up, that looks delicious!Yep, and he is washing it all down with some Red Bulls and a side of Jolt Cola. OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH to be 17 again ! ! ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston1stWordOnTheMoon Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Yep, and he is washing it all down with some Red Bulls and a side of Jolt Cola. OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH to be 17 again ! ! ! Oh my, talk about caffeine coma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I don't know if they can clone waffles, but this was my breakfast today: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Eat meat. But eat meat responsibly.Don't eat meat & drive either - it could kill someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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