MaxConcrete Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 We've seen in Pensacola and Slidell that 1960s-era causeway structures are highly vulnerable to storm surges. Loss of the causeway would be disastrous for Galveston. So the questions are: could the Galveston Causeway survive a category 4 storm surge? Is the new causeway any better?I think the answer is that the existing causeway is vulnerable but not as vulnerable as I-10 in Pensacola or Slidell. If we get something like Katrina or stronger (highly unlikely), there is cause for concern. Otherwise, at least the northbound structure should survive.In terms of height above the water, it appears to be comparable to Pensacola and Slidell. Definitely a minus. These photos show that the bridge is rather low to the waterhttp://www.houstonfreeways.com/modern/caus...2004-10-28.aspxHowever, it is somewhat sheltered from wave action, whereas both Pensacola and Slidell were more exposed.More importantly, the northbound structure built in 1938 is mostly cast-in-place concrete so it is not vulnerable to being lifted up. But the high-level span over the intracoastal waterway is precast beam construction. The structure is most vulnerable at the transition points from precast beam to cast-in-place concrete, where there is at least one low precast beam section at each end. I'm not aware of any provisions to tie down precast bridge deck sections.The entire southbound structure is vulnerable since it is entirely precast beam and has been having structural problems for years.In terms of the new causeway being built, there appears to be no special anti-storm-surge provisions (but I can't speak for TxDOT engineering - they would need to answer that question). The design effort was mostly focused on protecting the bridge against barge impact, but since construction began there have been two causeway failures due to storm surge. Slidell apparently had design characteristics that made it especially vulnerable: closed-off ends which allowed air to be trapped underneath the bridge deck, and short independent sections between piers which were easily lifted. The new Galveston causeway reportedly will not trap air and has much longer interconnected sections which should be more resistant to lifting. Furthermore, I don't know the exact height but it looks to be in the neighborhood of at least strong category 4 surge.So, no cause for alarm but big risks justify extra caution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGraspo Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 We shall soon find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Plastic Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 They built The Seawall remember? It can stop a pretty huger storm serge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 I hope the current construction is far enough along not to be damaged by this storm. Clearly, the sooner it is finished, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelimon Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 They built The Seawall remember? It can stop a pretty huger storm serge. What Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 I think the galveston causeway is little more protected than the bridges in Mississippi and Louisiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 The storm surge can still come in through the back of the bay. However, the causeway looks to be built high enough not to get hit by one. Certainly, a head on surge from the Gulf would be stopped by the island, as kjb suggested.Welcome back, kjb, BTW. I hope your family did OK in the latest storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjb434 Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Thanks Red.In Katrina, they didn't get much rain but a lot of wind. Just some tree limbs and a few shingles messed up. They were on the West side of the storm in Thibodaux. Power was out for about three days. Andrew was much worse eventhough it was a smaller storm since the east side of the eyewall passed fairly close.My parents lost power from Rita for about 12 hours and got about 6 inches of rain in the gauge in their backyard. The winds weren't as strong though.I felt bad because I didn't lose power or cable throughout the storm. Although the trees nearby look like they were going to break at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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