IronTiger Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Tiger, he's a Dem. it doesn't count.Well, I know Obama's a Democrat. I just thought that...you're right. What did I expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west20th Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 .....and for that I am glad. The last thing our country needs at this point is to have an incoming President that has already lost all credibility. I mean give Obama at least a couple of years before that happens you know. Oh please......you were drooling at the slight possibility that Obama may be tainted by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 15, 2008 Author Share Posted December 15, 2008 Oh please......you were drooling at the slight possibility that Obama may be tainted by this. Oh, and I still am. I am sure that Obama knew NOTHING about who might be in line to take over his Senate seat ? Sure, not a clue, just like he didn't know Ayers was a terrorist. Here, pull the other leg west, it plays jingle bells. Your Messiah is going down in flames sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west20th Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Oh, and I still am. I am sure that Obama knew NOTHING about who might be in line to take over his Senate seat ? Sure, not a clue, just like he didn't know Ayers was a terrorist. Here, pull the other leg west, it plays jingle bells. Your Messiah is going down in flames sooner or later. Keep grasping at those straws........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 15, 2008 Author Share Posted December 15, 2008 Keep grasping at those straws........ Eh....while we're at it. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081215/ap_on_..._governor_obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west20th Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Eh....while we're at it. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081215/ap_on_..._governor_obama Against my better judgement I spent 2 minutes of my life that I will never get back reading your link. My first impressions of the story? So? And your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 15, 2008 Author Share Posted December 15, 2008 Against my better judgement I spent 2 minutes of my life that I will never get back reading your link. My first impressions of the story? So? And your point is? The point is: This is a thread about what's going on with the Gov. of Illinois, not your precious Obama, no matter how much he may be involved, get over your Messiah already, will ya ? Please do us both a favor and don't post to this thread anymore if it is that draining on you. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west20th Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 The point is:This is a thread about what's going on with the Gov. of Illinois, not your precious Obama, no matter how much he may be involved, get over your Messiah already, will ya ? Please do us both a favor and don't post to this thread anymore if it is that draining on you. Thanks in advance. Your the one that brought up the Obama "connection" that doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 15, 2008 Author Share Posted December 15, 2008 Your the one that brought up the Obama "connection" that doesn't exist. No I didn't, the newspaper I linked to in a previous post did. Do you even KNOW about the story involving the Gov. ? Even in the last link Obama claims that some of his staff has had contact with the Gov. Apparently the Obama Kool-Aid has a blinding affect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west20th Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 No I didn't, the newspaper I linked to in a previous post did. Do you even KNOW about the story involving the Gov. ? Even in the last link Obama claims that some of his staff has had contact with the Gov. Apparently the Obama Kool-Aid has a blinding affect. Note: You brought up Obama in a thread that had nothing to do with Obama in post 3, 10 and 11. Obviously baiting someone into a Obama is BAD argument in a thread that has nothing to do with Obama... unfortunately I fell for your little trolling tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 So? And your point is?His point is that he is still upset that Obama won the election, so he whine about it for the next 4 (possibly 8) years, so that no one will forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 15, 2008 Author Share Posted December 15, 2008 His point is that he is still upset that Obama won the election, so he whine about it for the next 4 (possibly 8) years, so that no one will forget it.Well, there's that too. I never said Obama did anything wrong. In fact, in post #3, I was talking about the article, that Obama is brought up in. I didn't write that article, I didn't put Obama in that article, and are you gonna sit there and deny that Obama hasn't been part of this story ? I didn't bait anyone, if you choose to open your big yapper on the subject of what my take is on this thing, then that is on you, not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Well, there's that too. I never said Obama did anything wrong.Then why do you keep implying it? The fact that they had conversations with the gov about who they would like to see as the new senator is far different than offering money for it, yet you keep making the implication. When people look at Nissans on your lot, do you count those as sales, as well? You have lost all credibility in any political discussion, because you never report facts, merely insinuations. There IS a story here, it is just not about Obama. It is about a governor selling senate seats. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Hey! Let's not take sides, but this is not the right place to bash the President-Elect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 15, 2008 Author Share Posted December 15, 2008 Then why do you keep implying it? The fact that they had conversations with the gov about who they would like to see as the new senator is far different than offering money for it, yet you keep making the implication. When people look at Nissans on your lot, do you count those as sales, as well? You have lost all credibility in any political discussion, because you never report facts, merely insinuations. There IS a story here, it is just not about Obama. It is about a governor selling senate seats. Get over it. Hmmm, now supplying links to stories about Dems. don't count either? How very partisan of you Red. Those weren't blogs I have been linking, they are AP pieces, or are those guys not credible anymore as well ? This whole Gov. thing has Obama in virtually every story, it is impossible to get away from. So, just to be fair to the Messiah, I will now refer to him as, possible suspect 13, as to not offend your's and west's delicate sensibilities when hearing the "O-word" when there is speculation by the media of wrongdoing. Sorry possible suspect 13. ....and it just so happens I DO count them as sold, until they say "No." In much the same way as I suspect you think all your criminals in Mont. Co. are innocent until proven guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 I think the appropriate response to TJ from here on out is to post a paragraph from his own story link. Here it is...There are no suggestions that Obama or his aides were involved in the alleged sale of his seat. U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald has said prosecutors were making no allegations that Obama was aware of any scheming. And Blagojevich himself, in taped conversations cited by prosecutors, suggested that Obama wouldn't be helpful to him and called him a vulgar term. Even if the governor was to appoint a candidate favored by the Obama team, Blagojevich said, "they're not willing to give me anything except appreciation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted December 15, 2008 Author Share Posted December 15, 2008 I think the appropriate response to TJ from here on out is to post a paragraph from his own story link. Here it is...I totally agree with the paragraph. I never said O-whoops possible suspect 13 did anything wrong. All I have implied is that he or his staff DID indeed talk to the Gov.'s office, when Obama was swearing that they hadn't. It was as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 I would like to add that if something like this happened to Bush, the media would all go crazy and start calling Bush a corrupt government official. Just throwing that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west20th Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 I totally agree with the paragraph. I never said O-whoops possible suspect 13 did anything wrong. All I have implied is that he or his staff DID indeed talk to the Gov.'s office, when Obama was swearing that they hadn't. It was as simple as that. Your worse than a gossipy old woman. Are you any relation to Mrs. Kravitz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I would like to add that if something like this happened to Bush, the media would all go crazy and start calling Bush a corrupt government official. Just throwing that out there.Some of us already call him that. Just throwing that out there.Speaking of Guilt By Association, under TJ's theory that you are as guilty as every lowlife who has ever come into contact with, does this make Sarah Palin a drug dealer?Bristol Palin's future mother-in-law arrested on 6 felony drug charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west20th Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Some of us already call him that. Just throwing that out there.Speaking of Guilt By Association, under TJ's theory that you are as guilty as every lowlife who has ever come into contact with, does this make Sarah Palin a drug dealer? Bristol Palin's future mother-in-law arrested on 6 felony drug charges. This Palin group is starting to look like the cast of "Sordid Lives" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanS Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Getting back to the Gov of Illinois...What exactly did he *do* that was illegal?Talking about trading a Senate seat for cash, favors, or other compensation is one thing (which to me should be legal free speech)... but actually doing it, is something else entirely (which would be illegal.)If he has not appointed anyone, then how could he have received any illegal kickbacks or compensation? I mean, I know his plan was elaborate, but he didn't execute it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Getting back to the Gov of Illinois...What exactly did he *do* that was illegal?Talking about trading a Senate seat for cash, favors, or other compensation is one thing (which to me should be legal free speech)... but actually doing it, is something else entirely (which would be illegal.)If he has not appointed anyone, then how could he have received any illegal kickbacks or compensation? I mean, I know his plan was elaborate, but he didn't execute it.Soliciting the bribe is also illegal, as is accepting the bribe. However, there are definitely those who suggest that while Blago's attempts to sell the senate seat are horrendously unethical, he may not have actually committed a crime yet. His intent was clear...to benefit from the appointment...but some suggest that he was doing nothing more than is commonly done in politics...a little quid pro quo.We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Blago's already adopting a very defiant posture. This will be fun. With all the crappy stuff going on in the world, I'll enjoy a good ole' fashioned scandal. Eliot Spitzer did not last nearly long enough in the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombero451 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Welcome to Chicago politics, the Machine. Daly (jr.), Blago, Jackson (jr.), Stroger (jr.), house leader Madigan (father), AG Madgian (daughter) the assembly of aldermen, Obama, et al. This state's dirty laundry is just starting to make national headlines. My state is a pit of corruption, a panacea for social welfare; high taxes, increasing transportation costs, we've mortgaged our state income for money today in order to pay for broke social programs and growing pension expenses. We've sold or tolls, our lottery, our parking garages and soon our parking meters for money now so we can keep the healthcare open, pour more money into the failing CPS, and keep the children of our long term politicos on the state payroll. I hope for your sake that our new president doesn't export Chicago style politics and economic disincentives to the rest of you. Though, if you'd like to help pay my increasing property taxes and the higher state income tax that's sure to come next year, I'll be more than happy to share my pain with you. We'll all be Illinoisans soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20thStDad Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Is it just me or is this guy looking and acting more and more like a frat boy since all of this started? Granted, I didn't know who he was before it started, so he could have been that way all along. Just seems like an ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanS Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 The man has clearly lost his bearings. Oprah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted January 27, 2009 Author Share Posted January 27, 2009 The man has clearly lost his bearings. Oprah? Eh? He had to settle for second rate, and got on The View. Oprah wasn't willing to "give" him anything, but Joy Behar agreed to take care of the Gov. in the Greenroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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