VicMan

for as long as I can remember....5th street has always been the "black eye" of Mo. City/Stafford area..similar to 4 corners off of 1464...

I don't know when the area changed demographically but I attended EA Jones back in the 80s and used to go to the park back there...I remember one part was black and the rest hispanic with the whites living closer to 2234 in a small neighborhood

now, it's primarily hispanic and jammed packed back there

We can look at the U.S. Census figures and see how much Fifth Street changed...

EDIT: I cannot find 5th Street in the 1990 census (See http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/DTGeo...ts=200586090640 )

For 2000, the population densities are:

* Fifth Street: 2,536.8/mi

HBCU, you may like reading this article: http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive....id=2005_3900502

In it, Bill Miller of Yates HS complains about the magnet programs. He wants them dismantled and to force people to attend their zoned schools (NEVER going to happen!)

Now, I say that B. T. Washington has a chance to turn around, since Acres Homes can absorb more people - Esp. people who are leaving gentrified areas. Also, B. T. Washington has the engineering magnet.

On the other hand, Yates HS is doomed to become a smaller school. The Upper Third Ward will become a college town and yuppieland. The far lower Third Ward area (the Foster Place/South Union area) may still hold on to some of its kids.

Also, Lamar HS trimmed down its magnet program size by kicking out kids who had disciplinary problems (even excess tardiness) - So Yates HS/Sharpstown HS/etc probably got some extra people

Part of the reason why I want to see Willowridge HS, McAulliffe MS, Briargate ES, Ridgegate ES, Ridgemont ES, and Blue Ridge ES in HISD is so Fort Bend Houston is IN HISD and so Madison HS can have a reliever school.

HISD fails to acknowledge also it's magnet school loophole has helped destroy alot of areas with once thriving schools....you have 3,300 kids at Bellaire, 2,800 at Westside and 3,500 at Lamar but in high density areas where Sharpstown, Waltrip, etc. sit they are playing in Class 4A...wonder why?

If they could run the athletes off and the pretty boys from Sunnyside, Hiram Clarke from those certain schools who are afraid to mix it up with their fellow neighbors...the enrollments would even out.

Madison's area is growing and offers the best access to Loop 610..they have 2,300 kids while their FBISD neighbor to the South, Willowridge has dropped enrollment....in the 80s, it was opposite as Willowridge was the growing area and Madison lost enrollment out there

Booker T. and Yates need renovations badly...but HISD also fears those two schools coming back in full force and causing a stir if they bounce back...

I have no qualms with school closing!

I have heard (no official word) that J. Will Jones ES in Midtown may get the axe. It would make sense, since Midtown is not a family area.

Here are zoned school closings in and since 2001:

Closed 2007

* Fairchild ES

Closed 2006

* Chatham ES (replaced by Cook ES)

* Easter ES (replaced by Cook ES)

* Anson Jones ES

* Will Rogers ES

* Sanderson ES (replaced by Cook ES)

Closed 2005

* Argyle ES (Was a temporary reliever school in a shopping center)

* Brock ES

* Clinton Park ES

* Douglass ES

* Ryan ES

Closed 2004

* Eighth Avenue ES

* Holden ES

* Milam ES

Closed 2002

* Carnegie ES

* Lamar ES (replaced by Ketelsen ES)

* Lee ES (replaced by Ketelsen ES)

Meanwhile, here is a list of opened zoned campuses:

Opening 2007

* Daily ES

* St. George Place ES

Opened 2006

* Cook ES (Replaced Chatham, Easter, and Sanderson)

Opened 2005

* Hines-Caldwell ES

* Moreno ES

Opened 2003

* Seguin ES

Opened 2002

* Ketelsen ES (Replaced Lamar ES, Lee ES)

* Robinson ES

* Seguin ES

* Pin Oak MS

* West Briar MS

Opened 2001

* Gross ES

* Rodriguez ES

Also, a temporary reliever school, Sharpview ES, opened in 2000 and closed in 2004

The house address, in Houston ISD, is zoned to:

* Emerson ES

* Revere MS

* Lee HS (Option: Lamar HS, Westside HS)

According to the U. S. Census, Fifth Street had 2,059 people in 2000. It is within Stafford's ETJ.

Stafford is surrounded by Houston, Sugar Land, and its small ETJ pocket. Why hasn't Stafford absorbed Fifth Street? Does it not want additional residents?

Also, remember that Stafford has a municipal school district (as in a school district controlled by the city) that formed in 1981 after a vote to secede from Fort Bend ISD (for Fort Bend County residents) and Houston ISD (for the few in Harris County) in 1977 was found constitutional.

Fifth Street is still within Fort Bend ISD.

If Stafford annexes the area within its ETJ, FBISD will lose more territory.

EDIT: I checked the FBISD zoning maps.

Fifth Street is divided between the following high schools:

* Dulles HS (Sugar Land)

* Marshall (Missouri City)

Fifth Street is divided between the following middle schools:

* Dulles MS (Sugar Land)

* Missouri City MS (Missouri City)

Fifth Street is divided between the following elementary schools:

* Dulles (Sugar Land)

* Glover (Missouri City)

* E. A. Jones (Missouri City)

* Quail Valley (Missouri City)

So the inner city is growing, it's just growing with DINKs?

Yep, meaning that a lot of working class and poor families are being pushed outside of 610.

This article is good reading: http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive....id=2006_4231484

There are parts of HISD that can easily expand to bring more children into the district (the southside along 288, the far west and southwest sides, the far northside, etc.)

Let's look at the HISD Bond Page at to see what the repairs typically include. See: http://www.houstonisd.org/portal/site/bond/

A lot of the "truly new" HISD schools are located in areas with increasing child and family populations This includes:

* Daily ES (Far westside, outside Beltway 8)

* Moreno ES (Northside, outside 610)

* Hines Caldwell ES (Southside, outside 610)

Now, St. George Place ES (Uptown area, outside 610) was built to relieve Briargrove ES. It also took over areas of the closed Will Rogers ES, which was torn down with the old administration building.

A lot of the new campuses are "replacement" schools that replace earlier facilities - the district often replaces schools when it determines that construction costs are cheaper than renovation costs.

See: http://www.houstonisd.org/portal/site/Bond...ette.cachetoken

By the way, Cook ES (replaced three small elementary schools: Sanderson, Easter, and Chatham) (Located in northeast side outside 610) is a replacement school.

As an example of a replacement school in an area with decreasing families, in fall 2002, Ketelsen ES replaced Lamar ES and Lee ES sometime around 2002. In other words, while a new school opened, two other schools closed.

See: http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnectDS/v/...00028147fa6RCRD

HISD is considering replacing Bowie ES with a campus named after Rod Paige.

EDIT: Yikes! The new HSPVA building looks like it was cancelled! http://www.houstonisd.org/portal/site/Bond...00028147fa6RCRD

What happened? Why did HISD cancel that building?

The Rise Lofts are at 2000 Bagby, so they are in Houston ISD and are zoned to:

* Gregory-Lincoln Education Center (K-8)

* Reagan High School (9-12)

He was very unapologetic about it and somewhat apathetic about the concerns of the taxpayers.

I know the Woodlands is a suburban, family area with parents who are concerned about education. Doesn't he realize that he is committing political suicide?

If this bill passed:

* Get Eissler's constituents to vote him out of office

* Find out who else voted for the bill, and inform their constituents of that vote

This is a STUPID move.

EDIT: I am trying to find the text of the actual bill on the guy's website. ABC should state the name of the bill so I can see the provisions of the bill and (if the bill is passed) who voted for it.

See: http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=...&id=5401295

it seems the teachers' unions complained and a lawmaker rob eissler of the woodlands got a bill thru which banned public dissemination of the ratings.

Probably an exit for the main screens? AMC 30 on the beltway has exits for the 4 main screens that come out the top(.(If you're sitting up high) You can take the elevator down and the stairs.

All of the screens were on the first floor. I believe the high end began at the entrance to the screens. I guess the second floor was staff-only.

Remember that the AMC was NOT stadium seating. This led to the theater's slow death once the Edwards opened.

Anyway, does anyone know the names of the articles about the AMC? They would be fun to read.

Right. That's on the HAR listing...

HAR doesn't always list the actual zoned schools. Sometimes the district is not correctly given.

In this case, the HAR listing is correct.

Is the house still for sale?

If so, buyers should know that this home is in Pearland ISD. The house is zoned to:

* Barbara Cockrell ES (K-4)

* Sablatura MS (5-6)

* Pearland JHS East (7-8)

* Pearland HS (9-12)

This is in Houston ISD.

It is zoned to:

* Patterson ES

* Stevenson MS

* Ch

Newspaper I think, but I don't know which one.

Well, now's a good time to drop your friend a line and ask where he published his comments

HBCU, here are some enlightening articles about the gentrification and suburbanization of Galveston and the closing of schools:

Articles by the Galveston County Daily News (You can get an account for free to view the entire story):

* http://blogs.galvnews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=aacab3c3ce24f0d1 - Demographer: Expect big enrollment drops

* http://news.galvestondailynews.com/story.l...18DA9gKx3BA20C2 - Parents: GISD set on closing Scott Elementary (NOTE: GISD did NOT close Scott ES, but instead closed Alamo ES)

* http://news.galvestondailynews.com/story.l...32f17fded3732a4 - New charter school to enroll students in 2007 (Yep, that's in Galveston)

* http://news.galvestondailynews.com/story.l...ecba57d52dda271 - Forces Drive People off Island

Articles by the Houston Chronicle (If you get an account for free, you may view the entire story)

* http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive....id=2007_4345932 - Filing disputes school closings in Galveston

I never knew of a "middle class" Galveston....I knew most of the brothas stayed in the projects or surrounding areas and the whites stayed in the big homes and the middle area was beach homes to me...

As blacks became educated eventually you would see a northern migration to outlying areas as in most cases in Houston where most blacks settle in nicer areas that are pretty close to where they came from...

Back in the 70s, the Missouri City/Hiram Clarke area was populated by kids who grew up in Third Ward or so but went to college and had the resources to move...

Alot of folks who grew up in Acres Homes are now outside the Beltway in Spring now....5th Ward = North Shore and North Forest area is Humble

If Magolia and other areas change, what happens then? The little country paradise my family grew up in becomes populated?

Highway 6 and 1960 intersect and looks like a half-loop but technically aren't the same as 6 continues along 290 then breaks off to College Station while 1960 goes to Dayton.

By Red's use of the hearsay concept, the professor couldn't be trusted either because he is only telling what he had read in an article several years ago. It may resolve further uncertainty, but hearsay is what it is in Red's screwy world...completely unadmissible!

Oh? Were they published on a website? A journal? A book?

Citing names (of people and works) and URL's will help win arguments. So, what are the works where they explain this?

TheNiche, ask your UH Professor friends to publish their comments on the university domains. That way, you can use them as a source

All the whites in the San Fernando Valley (which could be compared to Spring, Cypress, Klein, 1960 area) are beginning to discover Ventura County and Kearne County, so some parts of the valley are now starting to go downhill.

The county name is spelled "Kern County."

Also, I checked the populations of the zoned high schools in the San Fernando Valley. Many of the schools are already majority Hispanic. The populations here do not include magnets, I believe...

Of all of the schools, only one, El Camino Real, has a White majority (53.2%) - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8617

As for other San Fernando Valley and Crescenta Valley comprehensive high schools in LAUSD:

(Many get kids bussed from other parts of LA due to severely overcrowded schools)

Majority Hispanic:

* San Fernando - 97.8% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8843

* Arleta - 93.4% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8609

* Sylmar - 92.3% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8878

* Polytechnic - 91.4% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8636

* Panorama - 87.5% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8610

* Monroe - 87.2% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8768

* Van Nuys - 84.6% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8893

* East Valley - 83.8% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8607

* Canoga Park - 80% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8571

* North Hollywood - 79% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8786

* Reseda - 76.8% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8814

* Birmingham - 72.6% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8557

* Kennedy - 72.1% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8725

* Cleveland - 68.7% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8590

* Grant - 62.7% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8683

* Verdugo Hills - 51.9% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8914

Plurality Hispanic:

* Chatsworth - 47.3% Hispanic - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8583

Plurality White:

* Granada Hills - 38.1% White - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8681

* Taft - 39.1% White - http://search.lausd.k12.ca.us/cgi-bin/fccg...&which=8880

Also, do not park at the restaurant complex and then go to the theater after eating. Even during the night, when parking is not an issue, the center is tow-happy.

well it's when the place was built, it rejuvenated the area somewhat enough to attract residents to the area that are more well off but couldn't quite eliminate the ghetto factor permanently. it is sad to see it go. s post oak hasn't recovered either.

i know someone that was towed over there. IMO, it just is too difficult to find consistent parking at edwards. not worth the effort.

As Snopes points out, prices are partly influenced by overall consumption. Also, prices are influenced by threats to oil supply (threats of damage to oil facilities, political threats).

There is a method that us mortals can use to influence prices to go down: Consume less gasoline. Unfortunately, many people are not willing to inconvenience themselves.

I think I would feel better about gasoline prices if it were directly related to something. It just seems like sometimes it's up and sometimes it's down. No rhyme or reason.

that's how are alot of us are....instead of helping to develop an area and make it work for you, we like to run and brag on moving to an "exclusive area"....that's why Houston is what it is now because people don't stay put..with all this growth people are forgetting your leaving alot of stuff behind

too many times I had folks I knew brag on moving to "Sugar Land" in the 90s.....me being inquisitive, I ask 'where at' since there are alot of areas in Sugar Land where the homes are smaller than homes right off 610....usually the conversation quickly changes...

In 20 years, what will be the "new" Highway 6, 1960? How far can you build from downtown literally?

Doesn't Highway 6 turn into FM 1960? I see all sides as having the same issues with suburbanization.

By the way, HBCU, study Galveston's suburbanization. The middle class is fleeing Galveston due to higher prices, while the rich and the vacationers are moving in. This means that Texas City and League City are growing due to suburbanization.

TJones, those aren't apartments. They are capsule hotels. Yes, capsule hotels exist, but not all people stay in capsule hotels. I stayed at three hotels (two of them were aimed at Japanese people), and none were capsule hotels.

It is true that Japanese dwellings tend to be smaller than American dwellings.

Did you also notice that the majority of them are about 5'8" ? Also, that alot of Japanese live in apartments about as big as my livingroom ? They HAVE to be small or become VERY uncomfortable, could you imagine being 6'4", 300lbs. and staying in THIS ?

btw Puma, we only import 60% of our oil, where's the other 40% coming from ?

Niche, I understand that Citgo would easily find another Company to buy their gas and distribute it, but it would be at a drastically reduced price to them, because Citgo would have far less choices of who their consumer is now.

We used to live very close by to the Edwards Grand Palace, but I never went there more than a handful of times. I refuse to pay for parking at a movie theater, plus the last time I was there I nearly got run over by some idiot in a big hurry in the parking garage. At least when you go to the Angelika downtown and park in the theater district garage, they'll validate your parking at the box office.

MKUltra, some people have a neat trick where they will park in the neighborhood west of the theater and then cross the street.

I can understand why people don't go to the movies as much as they used to.

You'll have to explain that one...how do you tell who comes from apartments and who comes from detached single-family homes?

In southwest Houston outside of 610, most of the low income residents live in apartments. AMC Meyer Park, towards the end, seemed to take mainly lower income families. Movie theaters make most of their money from concession stands. I doubt that the lower socioeconomic end has money to buy a lot of popcorn and nachos.