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There was also a number you could call (think it was 999-9999 or something like that) and you could

talk on the "grapevine" to total strangers. It allowed 5 or 6 people at a time to talk with each other. A service message would come on every few minutes asking you to hang up and redail, but it was real cool back then to get "on-line". This was like our 60's version of the "Internet".

don't foget 78 SUnset (West Houston west of Post Oak)

and 68 OVerland (Houston Heights)

in the 70s and early 80s it was the 3 numbers on the diagonal like 951 or 159 or 357, 753

I believe it was the line the technicians used to talk to the central office on before things became more high tech...we called it the party line even though a real party line was a different thing

1. Sharpstown is a suburb. You sound like a product of a wealthier, whiter suburb.

2. Baggy pants probably aren't the primary reason those folks are limited in the "society" you're thinking of.

1. so only wealthy whites have the ability to wear their pants properly and to avoid milling about on major public throughfares with their PJs on, their pants around their ankles, wearing house shoes, and swilling from 40oz bottles of cheap high alcohol beer in the middle of the day when the vast majority of society is working

2. yes it is not the baggy pants.....it is the totally ignorant, mental midget mentality that emulates prisoners which actually allows one to think going around in public with their underwear exposed is a good idea......that holds people back

Surely there must be something we can do...

rent a space and move in

Having a web site up and running means nothing. What is on a web site, doesn't make it true. What is really going on with Aliana is what matters? Are there any street lights? No! Are houses being built and sold? Not many! Are there fences falling down and in need of repair or not completed? Yes!

Aliana looks like a community which is falling apart, not a beautiful place to live and enjoy your new home.

boy coming from California I bet you have experinced that before!

Why do you care? Doesn't your random piece of paper say Sam Houston State or such? Like I said, if you're confused... that tells me you didn't do your homework.

Perhaps UH Central should change their name to...

Party Central University of South East Houston State.

I care because I consider higher education important for the future of Texas and Houston and I was born in Houston and raised there so I will always be concerned and have an opinion on anything that goes on in Houston that I feel is important to the future of Houston

and I keep up with Higher Ed a great deal after having been a student at 4 state universities in Texas and 3 community colleges and working for yet another state university and seeing the difference that comes from various schools depending on community and alumni involvement and having interacted (briefly) with the idiot royce west and THECB

I feel it is important for UH to become a top world university and having UH confused by even a few people with an open enrollment school will not aid that

does this mean it will not get torn down if it loses the River Oaks shopping VS Water Wall thread here on HAIF

Same here. My BS is from UHD while my BBA and MBA are not. This does not detract from the fact that anyone who knows anything should be able to tell them apart.

I smell ulterior motives.

you forget that a LARGE number of first time college students especially at a school like UHD DO NOT have any idea about colleges or universities and neither do their parents because many of them probably never went to college

High School counselors are for the most part worthless and in a district like HISD with huge high schools there is no way they will take the time to truly advice every student especially those that look marginal to get into most schools

how anyone but the most paranoid could smell ulterior motives is beyond me......UH is as diverse as any school in the USA and has a minority for a president and chancellor and UHD has a minority of a different ethnic background as a long term president and he is the one that first put forth the suggestion for the name change and to date he has been the longest term and strongest president UHD has had so I hardly see any reason to question the motivation or see anything sneaky based on the administration of The UH System or UH or UHD.....but paranoia has a way of looking past reality

we have seen several members of this forum alone tell their stories of confusion about what campus to be at and or the relationship between UH and UHD so I think it should be clear that people who are first time college students and especially those from a family with no college history could have a great deal of confusion as well as corporations and HR employees of large companies being confused about the relationship between UH and UHD

they are two separate schools in the same system with ever diverging goals for what they want to be...time to clear up ANY confusion as the administration, I, and many others feel

Well lets see, they NEED to change the name because it is confused with the University of Houston, they are trying to elevate themselves to Tier 1 (and i really hope they do!!) a good name would be Houston University Downtown. (HUD) (Not to be confused with the Rural Housing Program lol) or even Southeastern Texas University (STU).

bidirectional State names drive students away in droves it has been studied all over the USA

this is why Southwest Texas State (Texas State San Marcos) and Southwest Missouri State (Missouri State) and others changed their names

Thank goodness that name was dropped - sounded very DeVry-esque to me.

I am all for UH remaining in the name since it is part of the UH system. The others are geographically named and I think it works, so I think a cheesy name change isn't needed to begin with.

http://www.atlm.edu/index.html

yet another "metro" school that looks a LOT like UHD and nothing like devry

maybe they should call it barbera J's and mickey L's bayou school that is real good

I fail to understand why there would be confusion in the first place. It's as if some people confuse their left foot from their right foot. Come on...

Also, Dr. Uzman has a good point.

actually he has a stupid point

in a quick google search of the two metro universities that come up in the USA one is exactly like what UHD is

http://archive.metrostate.edu/academic/

and the other is like what he describes.....but they recently changed their name to something stupid

http://www.fmu.edu/

and 4 in England are much better sounding than UHD

http://www.mmu.ac.uk/

http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/

http://www.lmu.ac.uk/

http://www.sihe.ac.uk/

same for South Africa (though I suspect if UHD wanted a name like this it would fly through)

http://www.nmmu.ac.za/default.asp?bhcp=1

sounds to me like Dr. Uzman needs to get a clue and get out more and UHD should just go ahead and change their name to some ignorant PC crap like Hopes and Dreams, Obama/Chavez State, Social Promotion State, or We Hand'um Degree State

that was by far the best name of the bunch and it sounds like they let the biggest dullards of their faculty make a false claim with nothing to support it because he wants some garbage name...UHD is hardly some school that can make any type of "gravitas" claaim seeing as it is an open enrollment school offering tons of classes for people that are behind coming out of high school

"The most ethnically diverse, the most racially diverse university in the system and you say, 'Change your name,' " Rose said. "Marketing can fix (any confusion)."

and to make the claim above when UH is one of the most diverse schools in the USA with the first female Indian born president and chancellor just shows childish ignorance....the other names suck and some have been proven to turn students off because of bi-directional wordiness (that has been proven in study after study to be associated with a lesser school) or they just sound stupid...."City" State University

someone needs to tell Dr. Uzman exactly what UHD is.....and it ain't "gravitas" that is for damn sure or anything to faithfully and appropriately reflect upon

they should just go ahead and change UHD to "Liberal PC Crapper University"

Yes, it is absolutely correct that I am incredibly biased against degree mills superimposed on top of football factories.

and you also seem "smart" enough to judge a 50,000+ student university based on 100 students in the football program....I am sure this lends credibility to your opinion and the next time rankings services and university studies the world over come out with a list of top universities they will include your "proven" method of judging a school based on .002 or less of the total student body

No...UT is a joke. Most large public schools are pretty bad, but UT is known for being the worst.

EDIT: Actually, I'll give high school counselors credit for being idiots. Not all of them know that about UT, but they really should.

in your mind most large public schools are bad, but in the mind of everyone else the world over many large public schools are very good which is why no matter what ranking method or who does the rankings these schools fair very well and also why recruiters from top companies flock to them for graduates

I think Michigan, Wisconsin, UCLA, TAMU, Minnesota, Ohio State, Penn State, Arizona and many more would disagree with you

if anyone could be looked at as a joke it would be smaller east coast private schools that are well known for grade inflation

I know your opinion carries a lot of weight in the world of academia, but rankings published from Shanghai, to London, to the USA consistantly have UT as one of the top US universities and as one of the top public universities in the world.....and I have my doubts that anyone in London or China was so marveled by Vince scrambling to the right at the final seconds that they elevated their rankings of UT

and all the large public schools mentioned above are members of the AAU.....and I think the collective minds of the AAU know what a quality university is VS you on HAIF

Yes, it does. UT-Austin is a degree mill superimposed on top of a football factory if not for Plan II, and every high school counselor in Texas knows this. Soon it could be the same for U of H.

this post alone proves you have no clue about what you are talking about

if any HS counselor is dumb enough to think this then they are too dumb to even be a high school counselor

That map shows tunnels and skybridges. Have fun figuring that out

tunnels are solid lines skywalks are dashed......I nominate you for the navigator on TheNiches Neches river trip

UHD has definitely made attempts to improve, however they aren't at the same level as the main campus.

ha ha ha....opps I thought you were talking about the main campus....but UHD has improved as well

Other choices were UT-SA, UTA, and Texas Tech. I wanted to go to Georgia, but with this economy, out-of-state is too expensive.

And if I don't get accepted into any of these places, I'm going to roll up into TSU for a year.

you would be better off going to community college for a year VS TSU....cheaper and a better school....but you want to be careful because I would recommend taking the harder courses at community college so that you can take easier courses at UH and keep your grades up.....but at the same time you will need a certain GPA to transfer to UH which means you will have to do well in the harder courses at community college or at TSU....Tech will be much harder to get into than UH and so will Georgia.....UTA will be close and UTSA probably close as well.....they just raised their admissions requirements

20 yrs ago, i considered them another hcc.

so did everyone else....20 years is a long time ago....especially for UH

I was looking at majoring in Economics with a minor in Business Management.

nothing wrong with that IMO, but the business minor might be an issue because of the harder admissions to Bauer College at UH

any second choices for a school?

Katy High School is where I'm at, but the real reason is the latter. I think I'll get in since my GPA is above a 2.5 and I'm in the top 25%. My bad freshman year and first half of sophomore year is hurting my me now.

well those are memories that you can always have and times that you can't live when you are older

are you set on UH.....what major are you looking at....I am familiar with a lot of the schools in Texas

Yeah, they are pretty easy. I have four of Math, three in Science, four in Social Studies, four in English, and two in a foreign language. I'm not in the top 10%, but borderline top 25%.

if you get up to the 20% of your class mark you are in....please tell me you go to a tough school and or you spend a lot of time chasing A LOT of girls.....because if not...

UH admissions requirements.....they are a pretty low IMO....actually if you are in the top 10% of your HS class you are admitted to any Texas public university of your choice....but not necessarily to the particular program of your choice at any of those schools

http://www.uh.edu/admissions/undergraduate...ns-criteria.php

You overestimate the worldliness of a college freshman at an open enrollment school.

And UH won't have a name worthy of distinguishment until it starts tightening admissions standards and distancing itself from lower-echelon institutions. Open enrollment at UH has a bleak future, btw.

the UH main campus does not have open enrollment....TSU has also ended their open enrollment this year......UHD/HMU has open enrollment and has stated a comittment to keep it for now....and I agree UH will not stand out further until they increase admissions requirements and graduation rates....which should go hand in hand

This reminds me of the Texas State system. Each university having a different name (Texas State, Stephen F. Austin, etc.).

Stephen F. Austin is not a part of the Texas State System they are a freestanding university with their own board of regents.....along with TSU, Midwestern State, and TWU since TWU stopped calling themselves a system and took their Dallas and Houston campuses back under the main campus in Denton

Lamar (and their branches), Sam Houston, Sul Ross (and their Rio Grande Colleges), and Texas State San Marcos are the only members of the current Texas State System

I'm talking about undergrad, where supposed "name confusion" might occur. UH-D doesn't even have grad/professional schools.

Hilton, Bauer and some engineering programs are ranked at the undergrad level

and UHd offers masters in a few programs

Actually my idea was "U of H - City College" (not that it makes any difference now). There are lots of schools called "City College" and nobody seems to get them confused with community colleges.

That's right about where U of H is too. Neither school has a "name" factor that warrants worrying about other schools tarnishing its rep.

Anyway I like the name choice isn't bad. I am just glad they're keeping open enrollment.

the UH Hilton College of Hotel Restaurant Management is one fo the top programs in the world

the UH Bauer College of Business receives high rankings year in and year out

UH Law is ranked highly in 3 separate areas of law

The Cullen College of Engineering has a top Chemical engineering program as well as super conducting research where it has one of the top researchers in thw rorld

hardly no "name factor"

16 of the 28 schools in the Texas System and A&M System benefit from PUF (well, according to Wiki... more according to your pdf).. though I don't know what those financial benefits entail.. so if you say they are greatly limited compared to the big 2, i'll take your word on it... that makes sense.

I think the 1 time confusion of setting foot on the wrong campus is insignificant compared to name recognition on a resume. I think just because the confusion hurt a few doesnt mean its not a good thing.

Anyways.. name change is done. Lets hope you're right and enrollment and perceived value go in the right direction.

I do not want or desire for graduates to be able to inflate the value of a degree based on the false preception that a degree form UHD/HMU has the same rigors and requirements of a degree from UH...and I am quite sure employers would not want to be fooled like that as well

actually Texas State was a very wise name change and I think it has paid off for them very well.....it is well known in study after study that "North Eastern Central State" just does not carry the clout that X State does or any other non bi-directional name....it has been looked at time after time by universities across the USA and the results are always the same.....so Texas State made a wise choice....there was also more to the name change of Texas State.....Texas State is the largest member of the oldest university system in Texas....the Texas State University System.....which is Texas State San Marcos, Lamar, Sam Houston, and Sul Ross.....Angelo State was until 2007 also a part of that system, but they left to become a part of the Texas Tech System......the Texas State System was what is called a "weak system" which means that each president of each school still went before the legislators to lobby for funding VS a "strong system" like UT, TAMU, TTU, or UH where the chancellor of the system goes before the legislators to lobby for funding on behalf of all the system schools.....the Texas State System is at this time trying to become a "strong system".....Texas State as the largest, fastest growing, and offering the most graduate degrees (about 20 masters and 3-4 PhDs) sees themselves as the potential "flagship" (oldest, most known, largest, and highest degree offering member of a system).....Angelo State specifically felt that they were being left out of the mix and were not growing as fast as all the schools east of or near I-35 (Lamar, SHSU, TSU-SM) and they did not want to pay the higher overhead of a strong system and they did not want to take a back seat to any potential future "flagship" especially when they rightly feel their academics are just as good as any of those other schools...Sul Ross at this time IMO is not sure where they want to be, but I see them joining the TTU system in the future....but from what I hear no system really wants them because they are too small right now to operate efficiently...so Texas State made a name change for two reasons...one very publicly talked about that I agree with to get away from the bi-directional name and the lack of respect that comes with it...and one that is not mentioned much that I do not agree with and that is to try and become a "flagship" of a system.......which in the purpose of this discussion (and to the state of Texas) is different than a "tier 1" university which is the goal of UH....I actually feel the Texas State system should be folded entirely with SHSU and Lamar going to the UH system and Sul Ross to TTU System and Texas State being offered a choice of what system they would like....probably TAMU

I don't think UHCL or UHV are in line for a name change at all.....the clarity of separate cities in the name and the distance apart aid in the distinction as separate schools

the majority of schools in the UT and TAMU systems do not have access to any of the PUF and those besides UT-Austin, TAMU College Station, and PVAMU that do have access to the PUF have only limited access for specific types of projects.....but they still do benefit from being a part of the system

http://www.tamuk.edu/sacs/documents/pdffiles/0434.pdf

and again I agree with Sarahiki.....the uniqueness of the close distance made the confusion of UH and UHD too easy for many and just because it may have helped a few does not mean the confusion was a good thing