tcole

I'm not sure I get it red, but it is funny.

My words: Pass the crack-pipe dude, you've killed the last cell.

Now your response:

Im just thankful though that I don't have rude behavior like Tcole who told me to smoke more crack and called me a Tennessea drunkard.

This is not a matter of "interpretation." It is a matter of READING COMPREHENSION.

For your enlightenment, "pass the crack-pipe"; a term used to indicate that you should either share it with others or cease your indulgence in such. Modified by, "you've killed the last cell", which indicates that the suggestion to pass the "pipe" is related to the second option above due to the fact that because the partaking of drugs kills brain cells, you should stop due to the impression that I got that you have none or very few remaining as evidenced by your ludicrous reasoning and assumptions regarding Dallas' ability to annex its surroiunding communities.

Now if you want to consider sarcasm as rude, that is your perogative. But it appears that what you found rude was really the result of your failure in comprehension.

You couldn't tell in that one post if it was suppossed to be satire or seriousness.

Are you kidding me? Maybe YOU could not tell, which in effect creates irony, in a manner of speaking. Let's see if you can figure that out.

Seriously, re-read the post. Slowly. And do not forget to read your quotes in relation to what i posted.

Well why didn't you say your remarks like that? Seems pretty idiotic and rude not to.

I suppose a vain attempt at comedic satire. It was obviously wasted on you.

You continue to confirm my suggestion that you alter your moniker...

Im just thankful though that I don't have rude behavior like Tcole who told me to smoke more crack and called me a Tennessea drunkard.

Did you read my post? Perhaps you should re-read it. The suggestion was that you should stop smoking crack - a satirical reference to the issue that I found some of your assumptions and sugestions ludicrous; of the kind that would be put forward by someone under the influence and not thinking clearly.

And I questioned your wisdom, and knowledge of Texas history and the characters who contributed to it when highlighting that Davy Crockett was indeed a Tennessean, and a drunkard. A simple application of reading comprehension would indicate that I did not level the "insult" that you were a Tennessean.

It seems to me that you might want to consider changing your forum moniker...

Not to mention the perception that Plano property taxes may go to improve the less desirable parts of Dallas, rather than stay in Plano.

Absolutely. You do not see the Park Cities scrambling to join the city of Dallas for the same reason - and that is where a good chunk of Dallas' movers and shakers reside. For that matter, a good number have moved to Richardson and Plano as well.

It is not impossible, but it is not easy.

And Red, it is probably not likely as long as the citizens of Dallas continue to re-elect Laura Miller.

I do believe Dallas will be able to annex other cities with our improving safety department and our still developing mass transit will eventual show cities the greatness of Dallas and will make them want to join Dallas.

I hope this region gets a name other than Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, and San Antonio. A name like Crockett, in honor of what Davy Crockett did at the Alamo.

Brilliant. Texas to name its "megalopolis" after a drunkard Tennessean...?

FW Star-Telegram 3/14: http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/opinion/14094575.htm

Well I missed that. Still, it is a small sum and should it expand beyond a certain amount, the council is going to need to get referendum approval. The citizens killed the hotel deal four years ago, and I am quite certain that they would mitigate too great an expenditure on something like this.

Also the NCTCOG urban population growth charts between 2000 and 2005 shows that Fort Worth is not really in the game.

You need to re-examine the data. NCTCOG's projections are being surpassed anually by FW's growth whereas Dallas' have been lowered in each of the past five years.

In their poorest areas, the city is actually building single family housing because the private sector would too often build shoddy homes that quickly became undesirable.

I do not think that that statement is acurate.

Jamail's

The article is a little campy, but

From the FW Star Telegram, March 5, 2006

On Jan. 22, 1990, in an auditorium at Rockefeller Center in New York, Kimbell Art Museum director Ted Pillsbury unveiled his ambitious blueprint for museum expansion to a decidedly skeptical audience. The widow of legendary architect Louis Kahn was there that day, as were many of Kahn

In fact it's offensive to several of them.

I'm looking forward to a claimed native of Ft Worth to dispute this.

You won't find one.

tcole, IIRC, Pennzoil initially won $11 Billion at trial. It was later reduced to $3 Billion in a negotiated settlement in lieu of an appeal.

I know. Jamail would have made considerably more had the original judgement held up.

By the way, I was most surprised that a lawyer was one of the eight billionaires (Joe Jamail Jr.) I didn't know that was a feat possible in law until now.

The Marshall estate billions is now in Fort Worth with his son, after his death.

I think you mean Dallas.

And by the way I know several people native to Fort Worth that call it a port, and actually a married couple mentioned the Alliance Port as the reason they moved to that area instead of near their parents on the south side. However, I'm sure Angela and Lance are somehow disqualified and it all goes back to a Dallas conspiracy.

Don't jive me boy. I AM FROM FORT WORTH, and can assure you that I talk to a good bit more people in town and about town and no-one, as stated before, would refer to Alliance as a port except as tongue in cheek. Hell, even Mike Berry jokes about the operations out there being "port-like", but you do not see him actually naming the thing something so silly as "The Port of Fort Worth." "Inland port", whether oxymoronic or anymoronic for that matter is just a way to concisely explain what facilities and operations are present at Alliance.

From the official Alliance page:

"Fort Worth Alliance Airport officially opened on December 14, 1989. Alliance has since become an international trade and logistics complex. It is an inland port, offering transportation access to air, rail and highway

Wow, an inland port. Imagine that.

From the official Alliance website - as prepared by Hilwood Development, A Perot Co. - based where? The designation as an "inland port" comes from a firm in Dallas.

I stand by my original post, no one in Fort Worth would refer to Alliance as a port (as the term is gernerally understood) except tongue in cheek.

So there really IS a Port of Foat Wuth!

Yeee Hawww!!!!

Oh, the pride. Maybe the city name should be changed to PORT WORTH.

So, would it be your opinion that the 'inland port' might actually be better located near Alliance?

Designating Alliance as a "port" is probably incorrect in that the commonly held connotation of the term necesitates sea vessel access. Alliance, and what is proposed in Dallas would better be described as intermodal transport hubs - which I guess a sea port is as well. In the end, I do not think that you would find anyone in Fort Worth claiming Alliance as a port in any manner other than tongue in cheek.

Lastly, does anyone know how seriously the air cargo component is being discussed?

It is being discussed seriously (and has been for over 10 years). The question is whether or not the talk leads to action.

Secondly, why would a second cargo airport be needed? Alliance seems to be large enough to handle this added cargo, and it is only 30-45 minutes from the proposed rail yard, all interstate. Could this be a Dallas versus Fort Worth competition?

Pretty much. AFW has plenty of room for this and better access to rail.

In fact that part has even been admitted, but the excuse to get around it was that Fedex wouldn't have considered DFW for a hub so its not really competition.

FedEx DID consider DFW for a hub ops base. Ross Jr. offered a better deal. And cargo routed through AFW DOES NOT terminate in the DFW area (all FedEx cargo terminating in the Dallas Fort Worth metroplex is off-loaded at DFW).

Or does it go by county, perhaps everyone in Tarrent and Denton Counties are cool but Dallas and Collin are not?

You are to some extent confirming his disdain. Your monicker is Jason DFW but you cannot even spell TARRANT correctly. Nice.

the Dallas Regional Trading Area geographically extends to and includes the submarkets: Shreveport, Tulsa, OKC, Amarillo, Midland-Odessa, El Paso, Killeen Temple and everything in between BUT NOT Bryan College Station, Lufkin and Beaumont. Half of Texas and most of Oklahoma travel to Dallas to shop for what they cannot get at home. This has resulted in no less than 30% more retail activity in the Metroplex than any other metro area for a thousand miles. Not matched in Atlanta or Houston, only exceeded by Chicago, the influence of the Dallas market place is expanding beyond a regional level and will become more similarly scaled to the Chicago market place. Dallas is the first place most high profile, visible products and/or services providers will consider as time goes on.

I'll have to quibble with that last bit tamtagon - the bit about Houston not drawing trade from an equivalent dollar segment as Dallas. I agree that D draws from Waco to OKC, and West Texas to N. Louisiana, but Houston holds the trump card on Dallas - it draws from Monterrey, La Ciudad, Guadalajara, Merida, Saltillo, Torreon, etc. (as well as SAT, Austin and all of South Texas and Southern Louisiana) Get the picture? From a dollar standpoint, that market (the one south of the border) is actually much larger.

As to the Ritz; Marriott considered taking over (actually co-developing) what is now Hotel Icon as a Ritz Carlton property. In fact, they have been eager to get back into the Houston market since they voided their management contract with a particular Saudi property owner due to tax and management fee delinquency in 97. RC actually "lost" a number of what it considered its premier locations with that "deal" including Houston, Aspen, and The Kohala Coast and just recently got back into Aspen with its Bachelor's Gulch property at Highlands.

Willy, you are correct in your assertion that most of the drive behind RC's and W's move is perception of Dallas (although not in spite of Houston) - whereas I would assume that they are having to stretch their pro-formas for those two projects given Dallas' 60% hotel occupancy rates. As to actual wealth, I would say that from an income perspective, Houston is going to be higher although probably closer to even on a per capita basis (excluding Tarrant Co.) due to Houston's larger "blue collar" populace. From a net worth perspective, Houston is without a doubt wealthier than Dallas (again without factoring Tarrant County) although individual accounts will be higher in Dallas - think Perot, Cuban, et.al. Lastly, Alice doesn't live here anymore - in Fort Worth, and her income may not be that "great" given her net worth as a good chunk of that is locked into WMT stock and not subject to income reporting thus explaining the seemingly "low" total income tax figure you cited for Texas.

2112:

Just bypass D and "rush" on over to Cowtown. The Kimball has a good show on now Featuring a British artist named Stubbs and his study of horses. The Modern is not to be missed (although in my opinion the building outshines the art inside). Stay at a little boutique hotel named "The Ashton" (managed by the same people who manage The Lancaster in Houston) and savor some of the local cuisine. In a month some early spring blooming will be in effect so if the weather is nice, try a stroll through the Japanese Gardens (in the Botanic Gardens) - nicer and better laid out than SFO's in my opinion.

DFW is a homogenous metro zone (as evidenced by the sat photos posted above). On the ground, it feels different, just as Sugarland feels different from Kingwood and Uptown feels different from The Strand.

I think that the true problem arises (in particular in FW) when the name "Dallas area" or other similar apelations are applied to DFW as a whole. Dallasites will maintain that that is just how the "world" views the region and it is not their (Dallas') responsibility to correct for such. FW's view is pretty much that we are not responsible for the rest of the world's ignorance and do pretty much what we can to highlight our strengths and remind those in error of their mistakes. I personally have advised flight attendants on flights into DFW to not refer to the flight as "heading to Dallas."

I think in the end, I think of myself as a Texan first and the city where I live second.