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Way cool.. I always thought this house was built in 59, but the 1958 pictures show it in place. And the pictures are obviously earlier than the 1960 picture I have of the same area. I also was able to figure out why I had trouble finding an old house in Dallas which I lived in during the late 50's, early 60's. For one thing, it seems they renumbered the street/houses as the block numbers don't seem anything like I remember. I always remembered just three numbers instead of four like that street has now. I didn't realize they ever renumbered streets, but it appears they did in this case. Anyway, the reason I had trouble finding it on google street maps was that the house is gone and replaced with a much larger house.. Kind of a mini-McMansion... But I did comparisons through the years and did verify the changes. IE: the old house was there up until the newer maps. In fact, in both the 1957 and 1958 maps I was actually able to see our car sitting in the driveway, and it was in the right spot. I was also able to verify that it was the right house as we had a short brick wall next to the sidewalk, and the grass sloped downhill to the upper part of the wall. About a 2 ft sheer drop from the lawn to the sidewalk. I was able to see the shadow made from that wall shining on the sidewalk. Now, we later removed that brick wall from the lawn, and sloped the grass down to the sidewalk. I remember we used the bricks to build a patio in the backyard. What's wild, is using the google street maps, I can still actually see traces in the present day lawn where it's got a slight ridge where that wall used to be. Using a picture taken of me in the driveway about 1960, I was able to further verify I had the right house as I used the google street view to see if the house across the street matched. It did... Still had the same basic windows in the front, in the right places. I also tried to find an earlier house that I lived in after I was born. It was only about a mile away from the other one. But the address no longer makes sense, and the address on that street doesn't exist. Where the address is, is a school. And that school was there in 1957. I did a "walk" down that whole existing street and none of the houses matched the picture I had. So... I guess it's gone.. I'm wondering if maybe they ripped up that section of street to make a school, or if the street was renumbered and the location still exists, but with a different house.. Also.. that site gives a good look at the old gambling house on old main for those interested. I was there around 1973-74 or so, so those 1973 pictures are a good match to the time I was there. I notice that it looked almost freshly mowed in 1964.. Almost better than 1958.. But I can attest to it being a jungle of weeds in 1973.. I'm surprised the old lawn art still shows up as well as it does in the 73 pix. I sure couldn't see any of that from our ground view. Just tall weeds and brush. Ain't this internet mess grand...

Your imagination is quite accurate! Because that's exactly what it was. But.. It closed in the early 50's, and the owner "Jakie Freedman" moved to Vegas and started the Sands casino. In the 60's I imagine it was abandoned as it was in the early 70's when we used to go in there. So the comings and goings were most likely people going in there to party, drink beer, etc.. That's what we did.. Of course, I guess it could have been legally occupied in the 60's, but I sort of doubt it judging by the condition of the place in the early 70's. There is really not much left on the grounds to indicate what was there. It was all bulldozed and mowed flat, and a fence placed all around the land. Now, I think new buildings have gone up on the site. But... unless they have been recently been removed by the new builders, there is one trace of the old place left. On Old Main, you can still see the old cement curbs to the entrance of the driveway. Back when we used to go there, there was also another regular house a bit farther to the east on the same side of the street, closer to main. It was lived in back in the 70's. But there is not a trace of it now. There is at least one other thread about then place, and maybe more.. http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/i...mp;#entry277740

The street next to the school is Bluebonnet. I once lived in those apartments across the street. Around the mid 70's I guess. I think they were called the Bluebonnet apartments, but I forgot.. I only lived there a few months. and then moved off to better digs. I remember they had fairly unique windows. Many were corner windows with metal frames. I guess the 40's sounds about right as far as the age. Maybe the late 30's, but I doubt any earlier. They sort of had that "early 40's" look as far as the buildings. Even in the 70's, they were kind of run down. Cheap dinky no defrost fridge that was probably made in the late 50's, etc.. Kitchen and bath flooring pretty ratty, etc.. Like I say, I wasn't there too long. :/

That's wild.. I guess Gunsmoke was popular with the rodeo crowd.. lol In the middle 60's I lived in the Kansas City area. I remember going to the rodeo at the Kansas City Fat stock show and met "Festus" from Gunsmoke. lol. I think his real name was Ken Curtis if I remember right. I've also been in Dodge City KS, and have been to the Long Branch saloon, etc.. I've also been to the old Fort Leavenworth which had a lot of old stuff to look at. When I was in the Long Branch in the middle 60's, they had a picture of James Arness, "Matt Dillon" on the wall. Maybe Miss Kitty too, but I fergot.. I remember watching Gunsmoke going back to the late 50's. "Chester" was the sidekick deputy in those older versions.. They have some of the old Gunsmoke radio shows at the internet archive.

I saw him there. As I recall, he made the jump. He would do a lot of trick riding stunts before the big jump. Or at least they were fairly tricky back then.. I think I also saw some other copycat jumper there too one time. He was fairly young. Forgot his name. Think he was from Houston.

I like the "then and now" pictures.. IE: the one of Lyons and Jenson.. Where did all the buildings go.. Looks like a different city.. About the only thing I can see that might be the same in each is the storm drain by the curb, and the man hole cover out in the street..

Hummm... I guess he improved since I used him.. I had him do some work on a 59 Gibson about 20-25 years ago when he was in the square. Was not totally pleased. I had it in to have two frets replaced. Well, he did that ok I suppose, but he didn't dress the frets, or if he did, he didn't do too good a job.. Also, he mounted the bridge wrong when he put it back together. It was all goofy... Didn't play right at all. I took it to Rockin Robin to see what they thought, and they chortled like lost school children when they saw the lack of fret dressing, etc.. They also clued me in to how the bridge was on wrong.. I had them redo it, and it was fantastic after that. So I can't say he did anything to really hurt it, but I had to pay another shop to have it redone right. But like I say, that was a long time ago, and maybe he was just starting out back then. Robin did very good work back then. Course, they also build their own brand of geetars too, or did back then.. I guess they are still around, but haven't checked lately..

I'm pretty sure I went to that show.. I used to hate the dome for concerts though. If there is a venue in town with worse acoustics, I haven't been there yet.. The sound has always been fairly horrible at any dome concert I ever went to.

I remember that TSO... A bit of obtuse trivia... The "pixie stick" man that poisoned his son at Halloween once worked at that TSO I'm pretty sure. In fact, he might have done my glasses way back when I first went there. I think he worked there at that time, back about 1969-1970.

For some reason I always had it in my mind he was a lawyer. But I guess this is not the case looking at his biography on some of the web sites. The reason I had thought he was a lawyer, was my mother knew him, and being she worked in a law office, I had always assumed that's where she ran into him. So for some reason I assumed that's what he did when not writing. But guess not.. Maybe he was one of their clients at some time.. He gave her a signed copy of Blood and Money when it came out.

I remember back in a past life, a friend of mine used to "drive" those little trains. This was back around the high school years or so.. But that was one of his part time jobs way back then.. He was the "engineer" and drove the trains, kept the little heathens from killing themselves, etc.. I don't know if he wore a hat like on the movie "The Jerk" or not.. The extended bill on those caps could be a lifesaver according to Navin R. Johnson.. :lol:

Sure, ate there a few times. I think the place burned down once, and they might have reopened, but then later closed up.. Or.. they burned up and never reopened.. I forgot what exactly happened. I remember the lot that it was on then became a nursery if I remember right. I remember they used to have a lot of "old west" type artifacts on the walls, etc. I think this was the lot the place was on.. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&...002264&z=19

That's the first I've heard of a Camp Logan cemetery. I looked at the key map, and 492M is appx bordered by S.Shepherd on the west, Floyd Street to the north, W. Dallas to the south, and Waugh/Yale to the east. Pretty big area to search using the bird images. I looked and saw a few places a cemetery could hiding, but couldn't really make anything out. 492M is a good ways to the east from Camp Logan/Memorial Park.

I've got pictures of nearly every one of them I think.. One of the sites had many pictures of them. Baily's ?? I fergot.. Here is a few to whet your appetite.. Loads more where that came from.. Someone here will probably remember the site all those are on.

Back in the 70's it was totally overgrown with tall weeds, etc. After it was abandoned, people started going there to party, drink beer, etc.. You see the entrance road.. Later people formed their own road and extended the turn to the right to cross the parking lot area in the back, and extend on around so it met with the road forming the circle in front of the house. So in the 70's, people would be able to drive in and make a complete circle without stopping or turning around. See the big building behind the house? That had a big swimming pool in it. It was still intact when I went there, and at that time probably one of the oldest below ground pools I'd seen. I don't know when the place was built. But I always found the pool pretty interesting. I didn't know they had pools that good, that long ago. It was probably modern and state of the art when it was installed. I was talking to a friend a while back about the place, and he told me that he and a friend of his spent the night there one time. He told me while they were there, some other people drove up, so they climbed on the roof to see who it was, and also evade detection. The people later left, and they went back down into the house to camp out. They said that later on that night they were sleeping, and they heard this huge crashing noise that woke them up. After it got light, they noticed that a section of the roof they had been climbing on totally collapsed into the upper rooms of the house. I remember walking around in the house a bit. Most of the rooms had fancy red wallpaper, I remember that. There were quite a few rooms, and had an upstairs and downstairs. You can see the windows of the upstairs rooms sticking out of the roof line. I notice in that pix, there seems to be an outdoor pool in front of that north building, which I don't even remember when I was there. But...I'm fairly sure I remember there being a pool directly behind the house, where that big building is.. So if I'm right, they had not one pool, but two. One indoors, and one outdoors. Or so it would seem anyway.. I guess that northern building and pool must have been toast, or covered with brush in the 70's, as I don't even remember seeing them. But like I say, it was like a jungle, so maybe they were sitting in the brush rotting away and we couldn't see em. It's all mowed down flat as a pancake now.. But in looking at the sat pix, you can still see vague traces of where things once were. Also the property lines stick out.

All that is there now is a field, which is fenced up. I notice on the air views that some businesses seem to be moving onto that area and building it up. At as of the most recent pix I see, the exact place where the house was is still a vacant lot. If you are driving down that road, you can still see the concrete curbs etc that was once the entrance. Yep, it really was Casino. And only for high rollers. I read somewhere where Carolyn Farb was talking about going there as a kid, and meeting movie stars when she would come down to eat breakfast in the mornings.. I don't think it was ever a brothel. When gambling pressure increased in the 50's, he packed up to Vegas and opened the Sands. BTW, I believe the Sands was demolished not too long ago.. As you may have seen in other posts, I'd actually been in the place when it was a ramshackle dump in the early 70's.

I used to go to the place on S.Post Oak quite a bit, and also Double Eagle a lot. Also the place in the shopping center across from Westbury High next to the grocery store, etc.. At that time, "1975" I lived across the street at the Madison Apartments. Was a non stop party most of the time... I was very good at foosball, and could kick butt on most all I ran across. Remember at Double Eagle a guy named David Frazier? He was good too.. Between us two, we pretty much kept everyone in line. He had a killer pull shot. I had a killer push shot.. Ultra fast and a super hard "pop" against the wall which would intimidate most goal keepers.. When I was "on", it was pretty much impossible to block me. I won many a tournament.. I'd often play goal position and do my push from the back of the table.. Couldn't block it either unless they got lucky and were in the right place at the right time. There is a good chance I know you, or have run across you if you were at Double Eagle. I was there nearly every day... A hint... In those days, I drove a aqua green colored 1960 ford falcon coupe. You probably saw it at one time or the other.. I knew most everyone who hung out there at the time.

Thats the same cozy corner.. It's been there a long time. Back then, a 7-11 was across the street at belrose and burdine. I forgot what is there now.. Burdine and Belrose was a lot different in the 70's. Where the present convenience store is, used to be a Texaco station. What is now the auto repair shop used to be a Gulf station. Then next door was the short strip building that held the 7-11, and once had a pizza place. That basic strip building is still there next to the auto shop, but like I say, I never pay any attention to what is there now.. I don't know how long the cozy corner has been there, but it has been a real long time. With different owners I'm sure, but it's still basically the same old place it's been since the 70's. Probably the 60's for that matter.. There was a cleaners behind the 7-11, but I'm not sure if it's there any more or not.. It's probably gone. Willowbend and Post Oak... Hummmm.. Ya know what.. I do think once upon a time there may well have been a 7-11 there. Sure seems like it.. If it was, it would be where the present Popeyes chicken place is.. But it was the one on Burdine where the woman was shot. I believe she was the owner. She was there nearly all the time. I remember her very well, as she was always getting after us "heathen" kids who would tromp in there every day after school, etc.. She could get pretty cranky... I can well imagine her stance on selling beer after hours.. No way.... I'm sure she told that guy to get his heels to clicking on down the road, and unfortunately he had a very bad attitude. Everyone at Westbury was talking about it the next day after it happened.

Pretty sure I did, but I can't hardly remember him.. I also used to work with another Eichburger in the late 70's, and he might have been related to Dave.. Maybe a brother..

Yea, I remember all of that. In fact, it was a friend of mine that discovered the body of the women shot in the 7-11.. I remember her well as we were in that store all the time. The night that happened, my friend was across the street at the Cozy Corner bar. This was back when I worked at Al Betos in the square, and this friend also worked there. Him and another guy that also worked there often hung out at cozy corner after work. Anyway, he ran out of cig's, and went across the street to the 7-11 to get some more. He walked in and no one seemed to be around. But when he came around the back of the counter, which was in the middle of the store, he saw her laying on the floor inside the cash register area. Then a couple of months later he went on the rampage near Red school, and after he got caught for that, they found out he also did the 7-11 shooting.

Heck, I probably know you... :/

I still remember watching Ike and his bald head on TV quite a bit.. Being I'm a 56'er, the tail end is all I remember. I remember quite a few of the TV shows of the late 50's. Capt Kangaroo, 77 Sunset Strip, Gunsmoke, Wagon Train, etc, ad nausium.. I remember the beginnings of the space program pretty well. I can remember watching Mercury launches and flights during the day, with my baby sitter usually ironing clothes while I watched... :/ Course, that was in the early 60's. I was in school by the time JFK was shot. I didn't really keep up with music much in the 50's, but I remember our record player would spit out Les Paul and Mary Ford, and some of the big band stuff like Glenn Miller, etc.. I still remember the album covers, and I can remember Glenn Millers "In the Mood" playing quite a bit. I didn't know the name then, but hearing it again in later years, I recognized it and found out what it was I heard back then.. :/

Haven't looked at it yet, but I always liked the snazzy snare drum in that thang.. I was a drummer back then, so I noticed such things.. I think they used brushes actually to play it.. I remember seeing 2001 ASO there soon after it came out.. They also had a thing about video phones in that flick... lol.. Hard to believe 2001 is now in the past... It seemed like light years into the future back in the late 60's, early 70's. And even now most don't have video phones, unless they are rigged up through the web, etc.. Never seemed to really catch on.

Yea.. I remember all that Sears catalog deal with Anderson.. I remember all those coaches.. I had Walker in the 9th grade when he was hired to replace Coach Macy after Macy got in a fight with Coach Sanderson and was fired. I had Johnson in the 7th grade.. Macy in the 8th.. I ran cross country and was the 2nd fastest in the school when I was there. Only Jeff Curren <sp? could dog my butt with any regularity. We won city and state both when I was in 8th and 9th grade. But I quit running when I went to Westbury. Spent more time with the band.. Didn't have PE at all.. Band was my PE at Westbury. At Johnston I had band and PE both.. I didn't mind not ever having to suit up for gym like most did.. BTW, Macy also taught me how to drive at his Houston Driving School which he co-owned with Coach Hale I think. I fergot.. Hale may have taught at Bellaire... I don't remember him being at Johnston for some reason. Macy was quite a character... Step on the gas and go! you mickey mouse! in that Polish accent he had... And if you didn't , he reach over and stomp on that puppy for you if he thought you were too pokey about entering the freeway.. >Then there was good old Westbury. Does anybody remeber we had a smoking area at school. Wow now you can't smoke any where. I was there when they started the smoking area. "1973" I used it too... :/ Along with the restrooms, the football fields, the handball court, and any where else I might have wondered.. >We used to skip class and go to Super-Surf on S. Post oak and shoot pool at lunch or we would go swimming at the sand pits at the end of Fondren. I >had a pretty bad wreck my Sr. year on Willowbend by Johnston splashing the junior high kids after a rain one day. >I can remember there was a hamburger place at Westbury Square that had a Mery-Go-Round in it. After the football games we would hang out at the >Pizzia Parlor at Westbury Square. Brittains Broiler burger had the merry go round.. I was at the pizza parlor so often in the 70's, I probably should have just moved in.. I never worked there though, although many I knew did. I did work at Al Betos, and Bull and Anchor though..

That was the "Company Store" which was on Gasmer near where the cable co is or was.. The owner lived down the street from me. Keith Hill was his name if I remember right.. I remember I used to build up rockets with plastic "Gemini" nose cones which you could unscrew and put stuff in.. I used to like to launch lizards into the ether..