TexasStar

I like Dallas alot but quite frankly, Dallas is mainly a lightshow at night. I love the way it lights up at night but the character of the city definitely lacks. It's mainly because i don't think Dallas really knows what it wants to be. There's areas that look like New York, Oklahoma, and will soon resemble Colorado (with the wanna- be ski slope addition). If you want character, drive to Fort Worth for some ol' western texas charm.

I hate to say it but Dallas mainly feels like a movie set. It has all the infrastructure such as: Subway, Train Stations, Video Screens, and all the flashy stuff but something is missing. The subway is never crowded with loads of people like you find in traditional subways. I don't see the ambience or authenticity that you find in the traditional cities. Dallas has alot of nice areas but the city is becoming too plastic.

Dallas folks, don't take offense. I love your city but that is my opinion.

And maybe you'd have to live here in order to feel any differently.

Ditto. See post #10. The prophecy has been fulfilled.

Just say no to trolls.

Are you calling me a "troll"?

^ This is why I log in here.

This forum is just so darn entertaining!

... Also, the chart you posted TexasStar is a projected list for 2020.

The 2005 rankings are on the chart also, on the far right.

Guys. Remember who we are dealing with. I have tried again and again, on this and other forums, to explain a concept I thought a 5th grader would understand. That is, that there is a city called Fort worth, and there is a city called Dallas. They are different cities. If you are in one, then by induction you are not in the other. Yet, there is this bizzare thing that people from Dallas do, which is to "pretend" that Fort Worth and Dallas are the same city. Everytime I would hear this, I was always tempted to hit my head, because it would hurt when I tried to apply logic here. So Dallas "claims" Fort Worth, much to the annoyance of our fellow Fort Worthians mind you, when Dallas wants to pretty themselves up and pretend they are more than they are. Yet, if you read the posts over in thier own forum, magically, they treat Fort Worth like a totally different city. You find posts that compare the two cities, and make very clear distinctions in thier conversation. So in short, Dallas will claim Fort Worth to the outside world simply to perform this magical "proping up" of thier stature to outsiders, yet treat F.W as an outsider within thier own community. But hey, maybe it's some kinda' new math or something. Heck, I dont know.

Everybody knows that Dallas and Ft. Worth are two different cities. But, they are in the SAME METRO. You may hate that, but that's the way it is.

In this case, when comparing GDP, I doubt the numbers mean much unless you measure it at the metro level.

And please stop hitting your head.

Remember, the damage to higher congnitive functions from concussions is cumulative.

Funny, I published the exact same post at SkyscraperPage and SkyscraperCity and got some intelligent discourse on the list data.

Flame post count = zero.

(Which is what I would expect.)

"On Earth ???!?!?!

You $#$%^&*@$%&.

It's the greatest city in the galaxy. Dallas gets no respect."

SpaceCity no disrespect but why don't you pack up and move to Dallas. Leave your name/ title behind because you sure do be on Dallas's nutsack!

Maybe I'm missing something. But, wasn't that obvious sarcasm?

Because you wouldn't post if you had no motivation to post.

Because by saying "south's biggest city economy" in the title, you're making an explicit comparison between Dallas and other cities, and by posting it on the Houston-AIF, the target of the comparison is narrowed and presented to a Houston-dominant audience. That is cause enough for suspicion.

Considering that the information presented by PWC and The Economist is global in nature, with no particular focus on either Dallas or Houston, and that you focus your attention on these areas without adding anything whatsoever to the information, you refocus the meaning of the information. What would have belonged most in our "Rest of the World" subforum gets placed in the Dallas subforum. Given comparisons between Dallas and Houston are all too often made by certain Dallasites (yet strangely, by no residents of other cities) in an attempt to elicit a flamewar, I call your motives into question.

ATTENTION HAIFERS: Just say no to trolls.

...and that includes the pathetic question about whether Dallas and Fort Worth are one economic unit or not. Don't get into it. Don't feed them. They thrive on the response.

This post had NOTHING to do with Houston. If you don't want to read any information about DALLAS/FT.WORTH in the Metroplex section of this board, then it's easy to avoid it.

Here's how. Where you see Dallas/Fort Worth/Metroplex, don't click that.

By the way, HAIF is not restricted to Houston residents. Everyone is allowed to join, read and post.

That makes me a HAIFER, genius. And I would be saying no to you.

Yeah...and according to them, Detroit's economy is going to grow at an average annual rate of 2.3% (or by 41% by 2020), the same forecasted rate as Chicago or Philly. Uh, no.

Btw, what was the point of the original post?

Why does there have to be a point, Niche?

This is the Dallas/Ft.Worth section of HAIF, isn't it?

Just putting out an interesting tidbit of information about the subject area.

So, why does that annoy you?

According to The Economist...

... it's Dallas-Ft.Worth.

Congrats Houston on getting HP underway!

Looking forward to seeing this progress in the coming months!

I don't think they have decided what part of Dallas they are moving to yet.....But I really hope they do choose Downtown.

In the front-page article in today's Morning News, Mayor Miller was quoted as saying that the bank's Chairman, Ralph Babb, told her that Comerica would choose a downtown location.

Obviously not set in stone, but I'd feel safe running with that.

The classic chicken/egg conundrum. Of course, Houston is simultaneously adding a substantial residential component (One Park Place), thus removing the conundrum. If you don't know whether residential begets retail or vice versa, just build both simultaneously and it doesn't matter. ;-)

Rest assured that Dallas is aggressively pursuing retail for the core.

The recent addition if Jos. A. Banks is an excellent example.

Beyond this bunch of buildings that Forest City has torn down and is either currently refurbishing or plans to refurbish, plus the former city hall, are there many other buildings in downtown Dallas that are still standing vacant?

Two that I can think of off hand.

I know there are other significant structures that stand empty, I just never see them.

211 North Ervay

(Blue building lower left corner of pic)

18 Stories (1958)

Renovation ideas have floated around for years, and the Mayor wanted to demolish it for a park.

But, nothing concrete has surfaced in the past few years.

1600 Pacific

Saw better days once as the famous LTV Tower

32 Stories, 454 Feet (1964)

Again, rumours of residential reuse have abounded the past 5 years.

But nothing yet.

Comerica to Move Headquarters to Dallas

7:29 am, March 6, 2007

DETROIT, March 6 PRNewswire-FirstCall

Detroit-based Comerica Inc. announced Tuesday morning that it would move its headquarters to Dallas in the third quarter of this year, but it said it would maintain a "significant presence in Detroit."

Comerica said in a news release that the move would give it a more central location to serve its markets, which include California, Florida and Texas.

"Moving our corporate headquarters to Dallas will give us greater proximity to all of our markets, and the additional resources in these markets will lead to accelerated growth for Comerica. In addition, the vibrant and diversified economies of Dallas, Houston and Austin will be particularly helpful to Comerica as we seek to continue attracting and retaining talented employees," Chairman and CEO Ralph Babb Jr. said in a news release.

The company cited expected population growth in the South and West as helping to drive the decision.

According to a statement issued by the bank, about 200 employees will be affected over the next three years, including certain open positions.

"Michigan and the city of Detroit are key markets for us. Comerica will continue to have approximately 7,300 employees throughout Michigan, where we intend to uphold our long-standing commitment to the local communities. We want our customers across Michigan to know that they can continue to rely on the same Comerica people who provide exceptional customer service and who they've come to know and trust," said Babb.

Comerica named Tom Ogden, executive vice president of global corporate banking, as president of the Michigan market.

The statement said that it would cost $15 million to $20 million to implement the decision.

^ I believe that's the entire point of the promotion.

Lure the horny women downtown and the men will surely follow.

Thank You.

How can we get rid of that stupid name? ....

I like "MetroPlex".

But, then, I wasn't born here.

(Though, I did get here as soon as I could!)

Have you guys heard of Cheese? Cheese is a combination of heroin and Tylenol PM that is becoming popular in parts of Dallas, Texas.

See: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...g.13fb8bb3.html

And the drug is still in the news after its popularity increases in Dallas and surrounding areas.

No, I don't have any kids (thank God) so I really don't keep up with what the little brain-dead monsters are doing.

^ Glad that's all cleared up.

I like both cities skylines a lot.

And, for some reason, I don't feel a real compulsion to compare and contrast them.

Is that actually where the Victory Tower site is?

Yes.

Rosewood Court rises in Uptown Dallas. (02-22-2007)

Azure looms in the background..

Please, please don't take this picture of a new tower crane going up at the Mandarin Oriental/Victory Tower site as meaning anyone in Dallas believes construction on the 45-story tower has actually started.

Who knows what it means.

Do you think a shift in market forces or rethinking of the market itself could cause an eventual shift in the scope of what Victory will be, Texas Star? In other words, do you think Hillwood would be savvy enough to change its target retail audience if forces suggest that they've over estimated the size of the original market (not quite as many high dollar spenders as thought)?

This is just a hypothetical, as I have no clue how successful a high end retail project of this scale will be. I'm just basically asking if you (and any Dallasite for that matter) think that there's room for rebranding if need be. The West End's "evolution" or demise or whatever you want to call it is the catalyst behind my question. Clearly, the WE is at a point where it needs to evolve and so I'm wondering how stringent Hillwood is with regard to its longterm views of Victory.

Thanks for the replies in advance.

I've always been amazed at the amount of wealth in this city, so I wouldn't be one to underestimate Dallas' appetite for the high end.

Hillwood has shown themselves quite adept up to this point. If they find they've overestimated the caviar market in the months ahead, I'm sure they would be able to remix their retail offerings accordingly.

But, as Rantanamo said, it's still quite early in the game. We should probably just wait and see how the development looks when it gets closer to build out.