cloud713

Agreed with most of the above.. Another residential might put this park over an edge we don't want it to go over.. I'm sure we've all seen how discovery green and klyde warren have to rope off sections of grass for days to allow the ground to recover..

But a hotel/office/retail combo would be fantastic here..

Not bad. I like the height.. Will it block sky houses views of uptown though?

I am confused to where Westcreek is exactly...

South side of San Felipe, just east of 610. The old Westcreek apt complexes..

Nah, Hines is still 33, but block 35 (Kim son garage) has a 40 story residential planned for it.

I still say they should build a top golf and public sports complex on the roof for the urban dwellers.. But I'm digging these plans.

Will it be a nice little urban area though with 40+ stories of glass looming over it?  Think about it.

Market Square is already going to have a 40 story residential "looming over it"...

I'm going to post my reply to these statistics on the other forum..

"i just did the math on just the developments in downtown and the medical center, and only the ones i could find construction costs for [couldnt find costs for 609 Main, or Hilcorps new tower or alliance apts], and its over 2 billion in developments that have gone up along the original 8 mile stretch of the Main Street line since it was built in 2004.. not counting any developments outside of the medical center and downtown. over 2 billion for EIGHT MILES of rail. compared to 7 billion for 85 miles.

A suburban campus in Midland means 4 miles from downtown, not 35 like Camp Strake is.

lol seriously? 4 miles away would be like that campus being in uptown Houston vs downtown.

I think he meant same floor plan, different color glass.

My opinion on skyhouse is positive.

The building is simple but in an attractive way.

They don't BS on getting the building started and work at record pace.

To answer Cloud713, I do think the market will hold up long enough to allow skyhouse to build a third tower.

The Houston housing market is hotter than ATLs right now and it is less Saturated with these type of units.

The big question is where. Skyhouse built in southern dowtown to capture the Downtown/midtown vibe. They are building in Afton Oaks to capture the River Oaks/Uptown crowd. So will the uptown area get a second Skyhouse or would tge Downtown area get another skyhouse?

My money is on close to downtown. Skyhouse seem to buck convention and be ahead of the crowd.

The 3rd Skyhouse would probably go in the Museum District/Montrose area.

yeah he just meant green glass like the Dallas SkyHouse is getting, or the new design in Atlanta, but the same floorplan. 

i like the SkyHouses too and hope we eventually get that third design.

i agree about the market, thats why i mentioned a third SkyHouse. i get that ATL is Novares hometown, but the market in Houston is insane, and people keep moving here faster than developers can build houses..

i originally said Memorial City because the angled roof line of the new/third design would go well with that skyline. the green glass might even contrast well with the blue glass thats on some of the MC highrises. with that said, when i first saw that the third design was green i immediately started thinking of locations around a park. i could definitely see it going somewhere on the edge of Hermann Park. the museum district/montrose area is probably a safe bet though.

you did get it in the shot. you can barely see the rendering in the lower right.. has any of the building come down yet or are they still gutting it? kind of hard to tell from this angle if they have removed any of the roof.

lets get one thing straight. i never said uptown was urban in its current state. i said it may have some slight resemblance of urbanism after the road is expanded (and the transit is in place).. and especially with developments like BLVD Place coming to the area. if redevelopment like that happens with the 3 large shopping centers i mentioned along Post Oak then the area could become somewhat urban, but they have a lot of work to do...

Compare that to downtown and you will see that uptown is always going to be a giant office park

Well the roads in downtown aren't expanding. All i'm saying is uptown will be more urban (if "urban" means building along the edge of streets) when the road is expanded, since the buildings will be closer to the edge of the street, but I agree much of it was basically built as suburban office parks..

Alright so they arent on the immediate edge of post oak, but when it gets widened they will be pretty damn close.. What's to argue?

They are currently about as close to post oak as they could be while still allowing room to widen post oak and the sidewalks in the area, without having to knock down the buildings when the time comes to expand post oak.

There are certain areas that I have hope for as far as pedestrian activity goes but Uptown is not one of them. Its actually weird saying this because I have criss crossed uptown by foot and bus so I do know how to get around uptown without a car.

uptown is just too suburban business park style developed. It has the jobs, it has the condos, it just too spread out. Must of the towers are set far back from the street, the streets are wide and busy. I just don't see uptown changing.

I agree the uptown of the 1980s was designed like a bunch of suburban office parks, but fortunately that mindset is changing. There are currently 8 towers that line the edges of post oak. (When the road gets widened they will be even closer to the road).. Not counting the 2 u/c and at least two planned which will all line the road. Just imagine in a decade or two when the 2 large shopping centers at the corners of westheimer and the one at San Felipe get re developed into large urban mixed use developments.. Aren't they widening the sidewalks when they widen post oak? Or did I just make that up?

The list is for structures over 10 stories. Where did the speculation of a 4th Andarko tower come from? I knew a third was planned..

Alley theater is finally getting renoed? That place needs a pressure washing bad.

And Andarko tower 4?

damn.. kwtx just updated their facebook.. the guy is still missing. not looking good... my thoughts go out to the worker and his family, unfortunately i have a feeling the dive team will find his body still strapped onto the scissor lift. :/

Have they named the pedestrian bridge after anyone yet? Maybe they can name it after the worker who gave his life for Baylor..

oh.. i thought i remembered hearing something about a possible Richmond BRT. i guess it was just speculation or something.. so why the hell dont they figure out a way to (without federal funding, or w/e Culberson is against) build a BRT down the Richmond/Westpark corridor METRO wants to eventually use for light rail, for the time being to connect the Uptown line to the Main St line?

Does his amendment also preclude federal funding for BRT on Richmond?  Maybe that's still an option in which case it could tie in to the planned BRT on Post Oak.

im not sure, were they seeking federal funds for Richmond BRT? i know the Uptown BRT is fine because the local TIRZ funds will pay for it, not the feds.

Well I lied. I drove by again and they just installed 2 beams but something big just went down at the bridge site.. There were cops everywhere and a few fire trucks and what not. We got shooed away by the cops but as we were leaving we passed what looked like a media photographer (had 2 large cameras with him) walking back towards the site. I presume we'll hear something about it on the local news..

It's a shame that the gate town homes are apart of the over all property. I was hoping for a continuous flow of mid-rise structures from Westheimer to San Felipe with all these projects. Oh well! I'm excited to see some renderings.

Yep.. That's all I was disappointed in. It should still be nice.. Just won't be as cohesive with things like gated town home developments in the middle of them..

Haha sorry man.. I was searching for a Waco development thread abs stumbled across this. If posts like this are why your in the red I'm surprised I'm not in the red.. I come up with and post a good bit of far fetched/ unlikely ideas, especially when it comes to transit. Ha

If they can include a pedestrian overpass to Greenway Plaza that would help or maybe Greenway can run it's own circulator.

Doesnt Greenway have its own tunnel system? i was thinking a trenched station at Greenway (if the line had to come down Westpark, ideally this idea is for a commuter rail line going down Westpark from the Main Street line to the suburbs though) with a tunnel under 59 to connect into the Greenway tunnel system.

I wonder if this is also a blessing in disguise since now, for the time-being at least, the issue has been settled by Federal fiat.  By settling the argument, maybe Metro can move forward with an alternate plan.

interesting.. so we would be able to move forward with rail plans on those lines before 2025 or whenever they said it would be before we got federal funding again? though i would much rather just see them run BRT down the currently planned Richmond and Uptown lines until we can get funding or Culberson is out of office.. shifting the whole thing to Westpark helps nothing when it comes to the Uptown line north of Richmond..

alright, you have a point. they are much more urban than suburban homes with large yards.. but they arent urban compared to say condos or high (even mid) rise apartments (which was more along the lines of the residential components i expected in this development).

why do they have the SkyHouse site listed as "townhome development"?

wait NVM.. i just noticed there are two plots on the Building D site.. are they seriously going to put townhouses in WestCreek? thats not urban at all.. where are the hotels?

i was excited about Westcreek.. but now it seems like a mish mash of developments that wont form one singular cohesive development. kind of a bummer.. hopefully that W comes to one of the available plots and the office component is nice. being not much larger in sq footage than SkyHouse though and a lot wider, im guessing the office component wont be much taller than 12-15 stories. i hope im wrong and its taller..

yes your correct. the Afton Oaks oposition forced METRO to change the route to cross 59 at Cummins St. but Culbersons district extends east all the way to Shepherd, and he doesnt want it on Richmond at all in his district, which would force metro to switch it from Richmond across 59 to Westpark before/at Shepherd.