CDeb

Ok, I can deal with your position in this matter. So, do you think that ALL abortions should be banned, or do you think that a 15 or 16 yr. old girl that is impregnated by her father should have to go ahead and have to live with this sin for 9 months, and the anguish and cruelty of classmates, and the worry of the possibility that the child may have some sort of birth defect from the DNA that has been crossed and possible lacking of chromosomes, only to give the baby up for adoption, should she be allowed to have an abortion? Perhaps you would like to adopt a crackhead's baby, who is blind and has withdrawls, has a malformed heart and liver and knows nothing but pain every 30 seconds and screams soooooooo loudly and intensely that you wind up having postpartum yourself, and you aren't even the one that had the child. How many of these babies, saved from the vaccuum shredder have you adopted ? And how many of your like minded friends ? One, two, ten ?

Unfortunately, there are many children born into terrible circumstances. However, I find it frightening that we as human beings have set ourselves up to make value judgements as to which lives of our fellow humans are worth living. (I don't think you need me to go into the proverbial slippery slope that this presents.) When we make such judgements, we are making the worst of bad situations. Killing such children doesn't undo the horrific acts that led to their conception, all it does is end the life of a person who had no "choice" in how they were conceived. Besides, as you say, God lets everything happen for a reason. Perhaps there is a reason he allowed those children to be conceived in the first place. I know of such children. I know a pretty little girl who was a crack baby. She wasn't blind but had severe health problems, requiring much hospitalization. It was a trying time for her adoptive parents, but she is an amazing little girl now. I'm glad that someone did not decide for her that her life was not worth living.

To answer your question, I know many couples that would like to adopt children. Some would take on such challenging circumstances, even seek it out, some would not.

All I am saying is that there are special circumstances where you have to pick the lesser of two evils, and pray you have done the right thing , abortion is not ALWAYS a selfish act as you have implied. I don't know if you have ever been a party to an abortion, believe me though, it is NOT a selfish act on any woman's part, as far as I can tell, it is one of the hardest decisions they ever have to make.

Even when they think they have definately made the right decision, and had no other choice, the guilt most of these women have is beyond comprehension and they know they have to live with that.

Yes, I know a couple such women, and my heart aches for them.

CDeb, I can see that you have a stance that "life begins in the womb", but what if we get to heaven and God elbows you and says , "Hey Cdeb, btw............life starts as soon as you take your first breath of oxygen, not your first gulp of ambiotic fluid." What then ? Will you forgive all these, in what your opinion are, "baby killers"?

Good question, and I'm glad that you want to have an intelligent discussion. While my faith no-doubt buttresses my personal position on abortion, said position is built on a foundation of logic and science, not religion. In brief, there's no doubt that children in the womb meet the scientific standard of life (we can discuss more if you wish). I come by that stance not based on my faith.

But to answer your question, I have already forgiven them. I do not stand in judgement of fellow humans faced with difficult decisions in an honest attempt to get themselves out of it. I pity them and wish that they could see that there is another way. I do not hate such people, I only wish for their act to cease.

Just so you know.......... I am "pro-abortion" or a "pro-woman's right to choose to do with her body as she deems fit."

After all, she'll get her judgement if she is indeed truly wrong, now won't she ?

If we're going to be religious, yes, we ALL get our judgement for our sins. However, that doesn't mean that we allow an evil to exist just because "they'll get their's in the end."

As I said, you can't produce a source that states it is pro abortion. You tried the typical diversion tactic by aiming your bulletless gun at PP.

PP aimed it at themselves. Do you mean to tell me that such a product does not indicate that one is in favor of abortion? Why would one produce or wear such an article otherwise? nmainguy, quite frankly you're stretching the bounds of human reason.

Regardless, you accuse me of diversion, yet this whole line of thought is merely a diversion created by YOU over my choice of the term "pro-abortion."

The logic is not fallacious. It factual.

stick to the facts and stop demonizing the majority of Americans who are PRO choice.

It's not demonizing, it's calling this "choice" what it is. Again, it is a FACT that a living human being is killed in a quite brutal manner for the sake of another human's convenience. If you want to call that "demonizing," then go right ahead, but I have said nothing ill regarding pro-abortionists, only their indefensible position. If you and those of your ilk, be they the majority or not, don't like those facts, that's not my problem.

You and music will be be more credible when you stop muddying the waters with false information or lame diversions towards school vouchers instead of sticking to the facts.

It's hard to have a discussion with one who denies the facts so I won't persue that with you any longer.

Can't say I blame you, as I am having one right now.

Could you document anyone that has said they are pro-abortion? I can't name a soul who has ever advocated abortion.

Planned Parenthood themselves, a couple of years ago began producing "I had an abortion" shirts.

http://archive.salon.com/mwt/feature/2004/...s/index_np.html

Yeah, I doesn't say, "I'm pro-abortion" or anything as such, but it certainly implies a matter of pride, a matter of being in favor of what one has done. Of course, I wouldn't expect anything different from PP.

Now I personally know a couple of women who have had abortions and their feelings about it are anything but proud, and personally I feel that the vast majority of women who've had one probably feel the same way.

There has always been and will always be abortion. You can have it safe, rare and legal or illegal in the alley with a coat hanger as the anti-choicers have choosen.

be better served by realizing abortion is never going away and no law will make it go away.

You can darn near eradicate it if you provide a support system to women who feel that an abortion is their only choice. I would not be in favor of banning it outright without that support system. While I think that many pro-life organizations do a good job of this, I think they should focus more on it. A woman in this position is very vulnerable and scared, and needs good advice, medical care, financial assistance, and possibly protection from others. My hope is that our society can give them a chance to give their child a chance.

Why aren't you advocating education to prevent abortion?

Why are you advocating getting all up into a woman's womb to dictate a government policy?

Ah yes, that's all it's about, isn't it? Forget the fact that a living human being is killed in a quite brutal manner for the sake of another human's convenience. You can spin it any way you want to, and make it sound as oppressive as you like, but that fact doesn't go away.

Perhaps a little digging into all the candidate's past stands would make for a better educated electorate.

Such as how Sens. Gore and Leibermann used to be in favor of laws limiting abortion until they became national candidates?

Ricco requested we refrain from childish name calling. So far we've been able to honor his request.

Oh really?

The Taliban wing of the R-Party...

In the second place, would you care to expand on your point in a more civilized fashion?

Just enjoying a laugh at your expense. The rabidly pro-abortion crowd is heavily invested in villification of its opponents to justify its unjustifiable position and your word choice throughout this thread is indicative of such. My word choice was a satire of your own, which, in hindsight, didn't translate well in this medium.

Good to see that the baby brain suckers have been practicing their inane rhetoric.

My parents took us to Hanah Barberra Land around 1984 when I was 6-7 years old. They had a place where you could stand in front of a blue screen and have a VHS made of you with different characters in it. Me, my younger sister, and my dad did one where we were in a haunted mansion with Scooby Doo and Shaggy. One of the park workers would be off camera telling you what motions you had to do at different times and then you got to see the film at the end. My parents still have that tape, it's hilarious.

I also have some of the same memories of Games People play on 1960. It's hard to believe that nothing has been done with that property. GPP closed around 1990-ish, and the place still has many remnants of the old park.

Whew! For a moment I thought they had signed the Coal Miner's Daughter!

Toll roads are stupid!

I love 'em! >

I can't imagine what people are thinking when buying a house out there if they will need to use 290 to get to work. I don't think there is a worse commute in Houston these days.

You gotta get up in time to wake the roosters, that's fo' sho'.

Some memories of Astroworld:

* Doing the previously-mentioned quarter trick on the Sky Screamer (although we only used pennies, quarters being too valuable). It was fun to watch them float there for a second or two then fling off to oblivion when you hit the curve at the bottom.

* Figuring out where the camera was that took your picture on the Viper and flipping it off (dumb kids, we were).

* Taz's Texas Tornado's restraints sucked. The g-forces at the bottom of drops were so bad, your spine would compress, further retracting the restraint and leaving your back crunched for the rest of the ride. Agony even at 20 years old. I only rode that ride once.

*The two strategies for riding the Bamboo Shoot: either piling everyone in the back so the boat would skip across the water at the bottom or piling everyone in the front so the boat would plow through the water and drench us all.

* I remember being afraid of Excalibur (Excalibur for goodness sakes!) as a child, but then riding it a few years later thinking, "Geez, I could practically stand up and ride this thing!"

So what was the nature of the disagreement regarding parking with Harris County?

I must say, I have a vested interest in this decision, as I own a house in Villa Forest off of Forestwood. The proposed location may be a bit far to have a significant impact for my property, but it's a lot better than being in CS.

From an access standpoint, I think the chosen location is a great one.

Wow, they do Area during the week now? It was always on Saturdays before.

-- Westfield Band, c/o 1995

A previous Eagle story said that it was on the west side of Bryan.

It's amazing how much Westfield HS has changed. I grew up in Olde Oaks (parents still live there) and graduated from Westfield 11 years ago. It was a pretty solid school then. I would have put the top of my class up against that from any other public school in the area. There was some gang activity around, but it was pretty easy to avoid and I never felt unsafe at school. I guess being in band helped a lot as well.

Nowadays, from what I hear, it's a pretty scary place. A good friend of mine, who actually graduated from Klein HS the same year, ended up teaching at WHS and just left last year to teach at Klein Oak. She had plenty of horror stories, results of changing demographics and incompetent administration.

It will be interesting to see if the new high school changes things at Westfield for the better, if at all.

And these private activities simply brought these kids in contact with kids from private schools and from other school districts (mostly Klein ISD). Which exacerbated the lack of enthusiasm, lack of caring, and lack of pride in the Spring ISD schools by these middle-class kids.

Man, you have no idea how right you are. Even in the early 90's, when Westfield was still a pretty good school, we always had a lot of contact with kids from Klein ISD schools through church activites. It always pissed me off to hear some of my classmates whine about how much they wish they went to Klein instead. It was pretty sad.