CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by Angostura, October 22, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. For those interested in following along with permitting of this project, the project number for the site work is 18080801 and for the construction is 18090166. (These were not easy to track down given the unusual address.) Plans for site work were submitted in July and returned with comments in August. Plans for the construction were submitted in August and returned with comments last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by crockpotandgravel, November 17, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. More on the parking garage planned for 2912 White Oak Dr or 2920 White Oak Dr (the address listed on U-Tron's website), between Tacos A Go A Go and Christian's Tailgate Bar in Houston. From the developer's U-Tron and EasyPark's website:A new shopping center located in White Oak, Houston, Texas. The proposed parking structure will fit 244 cars into a lot that currently accommodates only 20 spots. THE REAL ESTATE IMPROVEMENT U-tron’s stand-alone system provided 244 parking spaces over a small 60’x100’ footprint, which allowed to build a much larger commercial development on the adjacent site and accelerate ROI. Type: Stand Alone Levels: 10 Parking footprint: 77' (L) x 100' (W) Opening: 2019 Developer: Park Easy Architect: EDI International Solution: U-tron Pacehttps://www.utron-parking.com/portfolio-items/white-oak/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by EllenOlenska, November 17, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. Ten levels. Holy shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by thedistrict84, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. 10 levels. Even worse than we imagined. Wow. Where’s Angostura? I figured he would have chimed in by now to defend his favorite automated garage. I hope he didn’t commit sepuku because his stock in U-tron tanked (because a ten-level automated garage in this part of The Heights is a horrible idea). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by Angostura, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. On 11/20/2018 at 11:15 PM, thedistrict84 said: 10 levels. Even worse than we imagined. Wow. Where’s Angostura? I figured he would have chimed in by now to defend his favorite automated garage. I hope he didn’t commit sepuku because his stock in U-tron tanked (because a ten-level automated garage in this part of The Heights is a horrible idea). Ouch. Still think it's better than 2 acres of surface parking. Edit to add: I wrote back in February on the other thread related to this development that the garage would likely be 10-levels and 80+ feet high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by Houston19514, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. I suspect the levels are probably relatively short. Perhaps even shorter than typical parking levels. This might be about the height of a 6 story office building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by EllenOlenska, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. Yeah, that's true. But I can't think of much that is even that tall around. Not the new unbuilt apartment block a block away. Not the hypothetical office building on Studemont. Not the abandoned condos or the apartments on Yale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by Angostura, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. On 11/21/2018 at 8:58 AM, Houston19514 said: I suspect the levels are probably relatively short. Perhaps even shorter than typical parking levels. This might be about the height of a 6 story office building. There'll probably be two different floor heights, one for regular cars, one for pickups/SUVs. The former are about 7-ft floor to floor, the latter about 9-ft. If the structure is half-and-half, it'd be around 80-ft total height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by Houston19514, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. On 11/21/2018 at 9:37 AM, EllenOlenska said: Yeah, that's true. But I can't think of much that is even that tall around. Not the new unbuilt apartment block a block away. Not the hypothetical office building on Studemont. Not the abandoned condos or the apartments on Yale. FWIW: 8-story Victoria condos less than 1 mile away -- 106 feet tall 10-story Elan Heights 1/2 mile -- 133 feet tall Studewood Place condos less than 1 mile - 93 feet tall Assembly at Historic Heights - Just over 1/2 mile -- 6 stories - about 80 feet tall New Courtyard Hotel on Columbia - 12 mile away. 93 feet tall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by EllenOlenska, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. Nice list thanks. Yeah when I said apartments on Yale I meant Assembly and the other one. And when I said abandoned condos I mean Victoria condos. You can see Studewood condos (which escaped my mind) pretty clearly from far away. Really dominates its surroundings. I wonder how tall the garage will be in feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by Houston19514, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. On 11/21/2018 at 12:28 PM, EllenOlenska said: Nice list thanks. Yeah when I said apartments on Yale I meant Assembly and the other one. And when I said abandoned condos I mean Victoria condos. You can see Studewood condos (which escaped my mind) pretty clearly from far away. Really dominates its surroundings. I wonder how tall the garage will be in feet. See Angostura's post above, (approximately 80 feet), approximately the height of The Assembly at Historic Heights (the shortest of the five nearby properties on my list). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by thedistrict84, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. On 11/21/2018 at 3:59 AM, Angostura said: Still think it's better than 2 acres of surface parking. I don’t disagree. Even better would be if the City hurries up and does away with minimum parking requirements completely. With ride sharing and Uber/Lyft more prevalent, and automated vehicles maybe 5-10 years out, there will be less of a need for parking and garages like this will be antiquated. The City’s recent vote to extend the CBD to most of Midtown and EaDo (and therefore essentially eliminating the existing minimum parking requirements) gives me hope. And I know parking capacity is a concern held by retail tenants, but that too will change as more and more people move away from driving their own vehicles for the reasons specified above (plus hopefully extended public transportation and better walkability due to increased density in certain areas). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by EllenOlenska, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. Also fwiw the garage at the Camden on Oxford is six stories high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by EllenOlenska, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. I'd really like to know how tall the spire on the All Saints Catholic Church in the Heights is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by s3mh, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. On 11/21/2018 at 3:59 AM, Angostura said: Still think it's better than 2 acres of surface parking. Typical beaten down Houston development standard. Just because it is better than a Walmart, tote the note lot or a row of town homes doesn't mean we have to accept it. There is no reason to overdevelop White Oak like this other than to line the pockets of some developer. Radom is putting in 200k sq ft of retail/office next to the old Freedman building. Braun has @25k sq ft of retail on 24th and N. Shep. Market at Houston Heights on N. Shep and W 15th has 75k of retail sq ft under construction. The train station thing on Heights and 11th is built out. There are a bunch of big lots on N. Shep suitable for additional retail development. The thrift store and insurance resale place on 19th are primed for conversion to new retail. There is absolutely no compelling need to cram all that retail on to White Oak that we need to put up a giant vertical garage. Edited November 9, 2019 by CrockpotandGravel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by Texasota, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. What does "overdevelop" mean though? I mean that seriously. I'm not necessarily saying that increasing density is *always* a net positive, but retail absolutely benefits from proximity to other retail. More development on White Oak will make it a healthier commercial corridor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by Angostura, November 22, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. On 11/21/2018 at 2:36 PM, s3mh said: Typical beaten down Houston development standard. Just because it is better than a Walmart, tote the note lot or a row of town homes doesn't mean we have to accept it. There is no reason to overdevelop White Oak like this other than to line the pockets of some developer. Radom is putting in 200k sq ft of retail/office next to the old Freedman building. Braun has @25k sq ft of retail on 24th and N. Shep. Market at Houston Heights on N. Shep and W 15th has 75k of retail sq ft under construction. The train station thing on Heights and 11th is built out. There are a bunch of big lots on N. Shep suitable for additional retail development. The thrift store and insurance resale place on 19th are primed for conversion to new retail. There is absolutely no compelling need to cram all that retail on to White Oak that we need to put up a giant vertical garage. It's great that there's lots of retail being added to lots of different parts of the Heights, but the use of the term "overdevelop" is question-begging. The best way to not need 10-story parking garages is to put retail close to where people live. And as long as we require lots of parking for retail development, the only way to put retail close to people without acres of surface parking in between is to go vertical. So, garages like this are necessary so that some day we won't need garages like this. Ideally, we'd decouple parking provision from retail development, so that we could have smaller, more granular developments that share common parking across a neighborhood. But there are economies of scale in parking construction, so until we get rid of parking minimums, we'll still have rules in place that favor large developments over smaller ones. So if you're really worried about big developers making too much money, get on board with eliminating parking minimums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by Ross, November 22, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. You will always need parking, unless you think a White Oak type area can survive catering only to people within walking distance. I live 2.5 miles from White Oak(and don't use Uber or Lyft due to their stupid fight against reasonable background checks), and there's no way I am walking over there for dinner and then back, so there has to be some sort of parking. As it is, there are times where we just go somewhere else if there's no parking within a reasonable distance of White Oak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by Angostura, November 23, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. On 11/22/2018 at 3:19 PM, Ross said: You will always need parking, unless you think a White Oak type area can survive catering only to people within walking distance. I live 2.5 miles from White Oak(and don't use Uber or Lyft due to their stupid fight against reasonable background checks), and there's no way I am walking over there for dinner and then back, so there has to be some sort of parking. As it is, there are times where we just go somewhere else if there's no parking within a reasonable distance of White Oak. The greater Heights has a population density of around 7000/sq mi. That's about 2X the density of Houston as a whole, but probably about 1/2 what it would need to be before a significant proportion of customers arrived by means other than a private vehicle. (That said, on a nice day it's harder to park a bike than a car at Heights Mercantile.) However, density isn't the only metric that determines how people get around. If we isolate retail in just a few places, along Shepherd, south of I-10, people will still have to drive to it. If we have healthy, high density retail corridors on Heights/Yale, Shepherd, Studewood, White Oak, 11th, and 19th/20th, plus eventually N. Main and Airline, pretty much everyone in the Heights will be within half-a-mile of at least two retail corridors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by EllenOlenska, November 21, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. Reading this conversation, it's hard not to think about the (long ago) tram that used to go down Heights Boulevard and stop and Heights and 20th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by mollusk, November 23, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. On 11/21/2018 at 2:35 PM, EllenOlenska said: I'd really like to know how tall the spire on the All Saints Catholic Church in the Heights is. It may be tall, but in area it's just a footprint in the sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by Luminare, November 25, 2018 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. I, for one, welcome our new 10 story automated parking overlords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrockpotandGravel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 This was in the previous thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive . It's being reposted / reupped since the original thread and other content from me were removed. Originally posted by crockpotandgravel, May 1, 2019 in the thread for Automated Parking Garage In Development @ 2912 White Oak Drive. From recent updated site plans, the automated parking garage for 2912 White Oak Dr may have been canned. The space between Christian's Tailgate and Tacos A Go Go was designated for the automated parking garage, but is now shown as retail. The parking garage has been moved to the space next to Fitzgerald's at 2714 White Oak Dr. (thread about it here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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