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There is an extension of the loan of a whopping 3 months signed by Roscoe /Trey White himself. As to what happens by the magic date of Septmember 14,2011 is anyone's guess. This is the fifth extension and unlike the others it is not for a full year.
Guggenheim was thinking of committing between 200 - 300 millioin for the project and an unnamed group was talking about putting up 85 million. Supposedly the rephasing was going to make these investors happy earlier this year. So, why the 8 months more until ground breaking?
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http://www.networksolutions.com/web-hosting/hosting-package-comparison.jsp
http://www.networksolutions.com/web-hosting/packages.jsp
That website was linked and supplying pictures on hundreds of blogs, posts, news articles, Facebook pages and more. Why would they do something that would break all those links? The project already had to be broken into phases as they can't secure adequate funding to go forward without doing it piecemeal. So, why do anything that would rock the boat when they are still desperately scrounging for investors? Hosting fees are nominal.
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I find it difficult to believe that a private hosting company would provide information regarding the billing status of a private account to a third party. I'm not saying you're lying but - if you're not - I certainly wouldn't want to use that hosting provider for myself.
Why exactly is this 'ridiculous'?
I clicked on the link on the page that said temporarily unavailable and I called. I simply asked why the website was down. I asked if there was a technical issue and the very nice yong man said no, ma'am. The hosting fees were not paid. I then looked up the registration on www.domaintools.com and was not surprised to find out it was Global Earthquest Ventures / Marlin Atlantis.
John Marlin, Trey White, his zero water MLM scam that was sued by the MD Anderson Cancer Center and Texas Board of regents and dozens of little phony LLCs and LPs are all at the same address in Dallas. I think folks should be asking why Trey White, who happily allowed himself to be introduced as a multi-billionaire to promote his water scam is not stepping up to the plate and contributing a lot more financially to this deal. Can't he and his buddies at least manage the few dollars a month to keep the website up? That is precisely what is so ridiculous about this.
I researched that bunch. that bunch
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I just called the Chamber of Commerce and they said the developers were at the last board meeting and said they plan on breaking ground in 9 months. The website issue is curious though.
McCrady told me 9 months as well. The question is though will the land loans be renewed. I haven't seen an extension filed on the county site for any of the loans due on June 16th. The Whitestone property has a 19 million dollar loan due on September 1st. How are Marlin Atlantis and their numerous little LLCS and LPs going to keep funding all this with no progress on developing these tracts?
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The Earthquest Institute website is still running and still accepting donations. There could be many reasons that the Earthquest Adventures website is TEMPORARILY unavailable.
It is no mystery. The hosting fees were not paid, plain and simple. The service provider sent reminders, but the clowns at Marlin Atlantis / Global Earthquest Ventures didn't cough up the few dollars a month needed to keep the thing up. It is beyond ridiculous!!!
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I think the Earthquest Institute is the only part of this fiasco that should go forward. Fake multi-billionaire Trey White and John Marlin should have been sent packing a long time ago. Where have the millions thrown at them gone???
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I called the service provider and the hosting fees were not paid. The account was deactivated for non-payment. The service provider most likely sent reminders, but no one bothered to pay the few dollars a month needed to keep the site up. That does not sound to me like they are working on it. We can call Trey White and his flunkies at Marlin Atlantis and inquire!
Registrant:
Global EarthQuest Holdings
13455 Noel Road
Dallas, TX 75240
US
Domain Name: EARTHQUESTADVENTURES.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Global EarthQuest Holdings
13455 Noel Road
Dallas, TX 75240
US
972-715-6400
Record expires on 27-Jan-2012.
Record created on 27-Jan-2007.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS17.WORLDNIC.COM 205.178.190.9
NS18.WORLDNIC.COM 206.188.198.9
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I think that if you understood the business process and business law a little better as it pertains to real estate development, then you might at least refine your attacks and be perceived as less of a troll.
First of all, Marlin Atlantis are developers. It does not matter that they do not have in-house construction experience because they do not do the construction, architecture, or structural engineering. Properly managed, each of these functions is handled by a seperate third-party firm that provide checks on the other functions; the developer acts as a kind of team lead and as a liason to investors and lenders.
Do you have extensive construction experience? Do you think yourself qualified to question their cost estimates? What are their cost estimates? Where are you obtaining your cost data? What is your data?
I am not suggesting I am qualified to cost out the job. I am saying I spent years around the construction industry and grossly underestimating costs happens quite frequently. The results can be disastrous. The banks won't increase the loan amounts to a figure they feel exceeds the fair market value of the project. The construction loans have to be kept current.
That's a good question. Just how many banks have gone under recently due to non-performing loans made to purportedly-dishonest or incompetent theme park developers? Can you name one?
Something that you need to understand is that the purpose of a bank is to lend. That is how they make money; that is how our economy grows. When banks lend too much or at interest rates that are too low, then we're building up to a financial crisis. When banks don't lend enough, that is the financial crisis. You might recall that we just had one of those recently. I sincerely hope that you understand what happens to an economy when investors become so risk-averse that even expensive debt is not there for deserving businesses. Just to have the economic activity would be a blessing.
I am thinking of all the banks that went under because they made loans that couldn't possibly be paid back. Making loans that are too risky is something that we must guard against as well.
But consider also that a construction loan for this project will not likely conform with any bank's portfolio criteria. I'd be surprised if a bank turns out to be the lender. It won't be cheap money, either.As for the equity investors...they don't need your hand-holding, mom. They're big boys, all grown up. They can make their own decisions.
Well, as it is apparent that many weren't aware of the business fiction surrounding Trey White and company, I can't see how some truth and facts are a detriment.
Indeed, prior to selecting New Caney as the site, the proposal was shopped around to dozens of communities with the idea of securing as much public financing as possible. This is standard practice with any kind of business venture that is politically saleable. The East Montgomery County Improvement District provided the best deal, by a wide margin. This reflects poorly on the chumps of east Montgomery County, however corporate welfare is standard practice. I find it distasteful and I think it warrants a constitutional amendment to ban the practice, however I cannot blame the developer for playing by the rules.The fact is, if that money hadn't been blown on this kind of project, it probably would've been blown on a different boondoggle. There are no shortage of savvy developers clamoring for free money; the problem is the free money.
Excellent points!
You speak in the past tense, as though people are already buying homes and lots. However, development has not commenced at the site. In fact, the residential component is the final phase of the project.
If you're referring to speculative investors buying up large parcels of land in anticipation of developing hotels, restaurants, etc. to serve increased traffic, well those people are taking a calculated risk. Just the same as if a new freeway were proposed by the public sector and investors started buying up land. The freeway may not get built or may be built along a different alignment. Such investors understand that there are no guarantees, however their risk of loss is usually limited to their opportunity cost of capital because they're buying low in anticipation of selling high. Something materially bad has to happen to make the values actually go down below where they were to start with.
Which ones? How much is at stake? Quantify.
There are already folks who have bought homes or tracts of land in that area and if this deal doesn't happen the drop in value will be a disaster for them as they could land upside down in their loans.
This whole Dino Disaster apparently started as the residential development Whitestone. Marlin Atlantis was supposed to break ground on in 2005. I think "Dino Don" got dragged into this in a desperate attempt to get it off of the ground as Marlin Atlantis couldn't do so. I just don't see it happening.
http://www.marlinatlantis.com/pdf/2004-12-24-HBJ-Whitestone.pdf
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The nature of business is that it entails a risk of failure. I would grant you that issues of fairness surrounding public policies relating to bankruptcy or business entities that shield individuals from personal liability are subjective and should be debated. But that is a political matter. Marlin Atlantis does appear to be following the rules, however, just the same as most developers.
If business failure is your primary concern, do remember that even if a property gets foreclosed on by a bank, that property is still generating property tax revenue, only it is owed by the bank. If Marlin Atlantis is able to build the theme park so that the property includes a going-concern, then the new owner will continue to operate it (generating sales taxes) and will most likely do so seemlessly so that their customers are unaware of what has transpired.
Marlin Atlantis, their investors, and their lender are taking the risks. If you aren't one of these, then what is your beef with them? They're all big boys; they can make their own decisions, mom.
I think given the business history of Marlin Atlantis and its principles that this park may not get built and if it does, having a little background in construction and having looked at the cost of other theme parks, I think it is very likely they have underestimated the cost by quite a bit. That could lead to bankruptcy, foreclosure and / or a partially completed park that needs tens or hundreds of millions in additional funding to be completed to the point it is usable. How many banks have gone under recently due to just this type of situation? Any investors they brought in get burned badly.
The taxpayers of Texas are spending millions right now throwing bond money at Marlin Atlantis, handling this project and passing legislation. If it doesn't come to fruition the taxpayers get screwed. The folks buying homes and land predicated on that park being built have paid very high dollar. If it isn't built the property values could drop significantly and these folks could end up upside down in their loans and unable to sell. Foreclosures could result causing great economic harm. The taxable values drop and money that was supposed to go for new schools and other things will vanish.
What about the many local businesses that are expanding and new ones coming in that are opening predicated on this park coming to fruition? If this falls through they will suffer financial harm. There is a lot more at stake here than many realize. Many innocent trusting people could get caught in the fallout.
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Great, an article that describes their PERFECTLY LEGAL business model, and only barely mentions EarthQuest as another one of their projects. They are selling water, there's nothing illegal about that. Obviously Evolv doesn't really cure cancer or anything like that, but it's not like any of those countless diet supplements and male enhancement pills that they advertise on TV work either. But if people are stupid enough to believe that they can be healthy through some lazy, easy way like taking pills or drinking water, then someone is going to make money on that. The only thing that makes me mad about their business plan is that I didn't think of it first.
The fact of the matter is that they are building a pretty awesome looking theme park/development in Houston, and it will bring lots of jobs and money to the economy, especially during construction. If they don't plan on building it at all and are somehow looking to take investor money and run with it, then yes, that's a problem, but there's nothing that suggests that that is going to happen, nor would they be able to get away with it.
How sad! The simple, uneducated, elderly, dying and desperate better watch out. Trey White and his ilk have cheerleaders that don't care who suffers financial losses as long as there is a buck to be made. Not to mention the folks who may forgo medically necessary treatment because these goons convinve them their MLM snakeoil will cure them.
Marlin Atlantis has talked a good game, but last we heard the funding is not secured. They have gotten away with not completing projects several times before. It is also quite apparent these folks are not honest and forthcoming. Who wants to place their money and trust in folks like Trey White? If Marlin Atlantis or whatever names they are using default again and leave us in a lurch who is going to step in and pick up the pieces and get the project back on track???
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http://outsideonline.com/fitness/travel-ga-201105-evolv-water-sidwcmdev_155635.html
That is a great article about Trey White and Marlin Atlantis. Happy reading!
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That is from what I took to be the loan papers on the Dino Park property. Will Marlin Atlantis be able to pay off the loan or get another extension?
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http://gocalifornia.about.com/cs/disneyland/a/dcahow.htm
http://www.oitc.com/Disney/Paris/English/LynEuroDisney.html
There are some great links. What if the total cost to build has been grossly underestimated?
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I wonder how long ago Soapboxmom got fired from Marlin Atlantis. I can't wait for the EarthQuest to be built. Marlin Atlantis is going to make a fortune. Good for them. They are helping to bring jobs, construction, tourism and more family entertainment to the Houston area. This is a good thing.
Mom, it's obvious that all your pointless dribble/rant is nothing more than a personal grudge you have against M/A. And just in case you haven't noticed - you are the only one interested about what goes on at M/A at this website. After 8 incredibly boring, repetitious, unproductive, negative post, no one is even participating in this discussion except to make fun of you.
You're from Dallas. I think this is a jealousy thing.
BTW, Disney did the same thing (using dummy corporations) in Orlando to acquire all the land it took to build Walt Disney World. America's #1 tourist destination. So what. Whatever it takes.
Hey, Sherlock, let me throw you a bone. I never worked for Marlin Atlantis. Go to the Harvard Law Site linked below and read up. While you are at it type my name in the search --- Heather Dobrott. Happy Reading!
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Here are the loan papers for the Whitestone residential neighborhood planned. Yet more dummy corporations are being used to finance that.
I think Marlin Atlantis has its fingers in way too many pies!
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Entity Information: MAW MAGNOLIA, LP
13455 NOEL RD FL 23
DALLAS, TX 75240-6620
Status:IN GOOD STANDING NOT FOR DISSOLUTION OR WITHDRAWAL through May 16, 2011Registered Agent:JOHN D MARLIN
13455 NOEL ROAD 23RD FLOOR
DALLAS, TX 75240Registered Agent Resignation Date:State of Formation:TXFile Number:0800570583 SOS Registration Date:November 14, 2005Taxpayer Number:32035296808
Entity Information: MAW MAGNOLIA HOLDINGS, LLC
13455 NOEL RD FL 23
DALLAS, TX 75240-6620
Status:IN GOOD STANDING NOT FOR DISSOLUTION OR WITHDRAWAL through May 16, 2011Registered Agent:JOHN D MARLIN
13455 NOEL ROAD 23RD FLOOR
DALLAS, TX 75240Registered Agent Resignation Date:State of Formation:TXFile Number:0800570581 SOS Registration Date:November 14, 2005Taxpayer Number:32018564396
Title:Name and Address:Expiration/Resignation Date:MANAGER DEBORAH A THOMAS
13455 NOEL ROAD SUITE 2300
DALLAS , TX 75240 MANAGER WV HOLDINGS LLC
13455 NOEL ROAD SUITE 2300
DALLAS , TX 75240 Entity Information: WV HOLDINGS, LLC
GALLERIA TOWER II 13455 NOEL ROAD, 23RD
DALLAS, TX 75240-
Status:IN GOOD STANDING NOT FOR DISSOLUTION OR WITHDRAWAL through May 16, 2011Registered Agent:DEBORAH A THOMAS
GALLERIA TOWER II 13455 NOEL ROAD, 23RD FLOOR
DALLAS, TX 75240Registered Agent Resignation Date:State of Formation:TXFile Number:0800324811 SOS Registration Date:April 2, 2004Taxpayer Number:12009713707Title:Name and Address:Expiration/Resignation Date:MANAGER ROSCOE F WHITE III (TREY WHITE)
13455 NOEL ROAD, SUITE 2300
DALLAS , TX 75240
http://www.corporationwiki.com/graphs/roamer.aspx?id=37147062
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Notice Trey White signing the loan papers for the Dino Park land. Also notice they follow Donald Trump's not so fine example and use lots of dummy corporations (all at the same address) to take out the loans so if it goes belly up Marlin Atlantis isn't left holding the bag. They simply throw away the hat of the little dummy corporation already set up to take the fall be it foreclosure or bankruptcy and walk away laughing (unless of course someone challenges them and pierces the corporate veil!)
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A sane person would never waste their time discussing anything with a troll like you. Your phony documents prove nothing. Stop wasting bandwidth.
...And Trae is right. YAWN!
Then you will find my fake loan docs for Marlin Atlantis and Maw Magnolia LC fascinating no doubt. I am archiving them now.
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This is just the internet. All it takes is common sense to know when a person is full of it. There is no shortage of internet scams like your website. Sane people know poo when they smell it. You are trying too hard. Your lies stink with effort. This is just a ploy to get people to go to your website. You will be banned from this website soon enough - just like all the others.
Bye Mister Nifty.
Sane people rely on source documents.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/40161610/Evolv-Complaint-1
That verifies Trey White's Evolv being sued by MD Anderson.
Following are a few of the numerous Trey White multi-billionaire claims. Those are from a rep who is a personal friend of Trey's and off of the corporate site, not my website you will note:
http://www.myspace.com/muscularchris/photos/69584322#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A69584322%7D
http://blog.evolvhealth.com/evolv-member-spotlight-51010/
Evolv Member Spotlight 5/10/10by Jonathan Gilliam - Chief Marketing Officer
May 9, 2010 | 9:14 pm
Vice Presidential Director, Sandra & Randall Rozier, McDonough, GA
“We have worked in the network marketing industry before, but nothing compares to being prosperity partners with multi-billionaire Trey White, millionaires Robert Dean (our sponsor), and Brent Hicks, who all have the kind of documented success that will propel us all to the next level. Failure is not an option when these guys have your back. Everything they touch turns to gold. Their secret weapons are Dr. Anne Bodak Smith and Justin White. The support they provide around the clock has made it possible for so many of us to “evolv” toward our highest potential in a short period of time. We’re in the major leagues now. No excuses…just results! The training, marketing, distribution strategies, cutting edge technology, and corporate support have been second to none. The Evolv corporate team really extend themselves to make sure we know that “We really are their oxygen!”
“What excites us most about the Evolv opportunity is the Archaea Active formula. It’s exciting to prosper while promoting good health and wellness. Crossing the finish line as Founding Directors with the Collins and Jacksons, and also celebrating the accomplishments our team has achieved in record time provided the confirmation we were looking for that we made the right decision to focus our efforts on this opportunity. We have been blessed with a phenomenal team of believers that are ready to take Evolv to the world! Evolv is providing an opportunity for us to work as a team to help others fulfill their hopes and dreams. Together everyone does achieve more with Evolv…. The other thing that we find exciting is the incredible compensation plan. The generous comp plan has helped us to attract professionals from a cross section of industries, teachers, physicians, nurses, professional athletes, and successful entrepreneurs to Evolv. Our passion for our team’s success and enthusiasm for Evolv has been contagious.
“The advice we have to give to other Evolvers is to keep God first, stay focused, and stay connected to positive people. Those that show up…blow up! Attend every corporate, regional, and local event that you can. The relationships you cultivate in this industry will last you a lifetime. It’s awesome to fellowship and share best practices with other Evolvers from across the country. Set your goals and complete your personal road map to success and make sure that everyone who is evolving with you does the same. What gets measured….gets done. The system works!!
“Individually we average 4 to 6 bottles of Evolv a day. Evolv has truly become our beverage of choice. Our 4 year old Mary Louise loves it and asks for it by name. After 3 days of consistently consuming Evolv, I personally noticed that the discomfort in my feet was much more bearable. Now it’s almost non-existent. I couldn’t wait to Give and Share the good news with my physician, Dr. Ron Watts, who is now an Evolver too!
“See you all over the TOP! Give…Share…Evolv…and Prosper!!”
-Sandra & Randall Rozier (McDonough, Ga)
Nice try! You said, "You are spreading a lot of lies on a lot of websites in the past few weeks." Quote those lies and refute them. I think the preceding cleared up the phony multi-billionaire claims and the lawsuit issue. I neglected to mention Robert Dean abandoned that Evolv Titanic captained by Trey White and took his entire team with him.
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You don't know what you are talking about. You are spreading a lot of lies on a lot of websites in the past few weeks. I've seen your posts at city-data, skyscrapercity , skyscraper page and houston dino park. It's always the same message and it is filled with misinformation, personal opinions and VERY FEW FACTS. I haven't seen one credible source back you up. You are considered a troll at those other websites. So now you come here.
Please get a life mom.
Pardon me.
All the issues I have raised are based on the actual court documents, postings by Marlin Atlantis and the very videos of Trey White claiming to be a multi-millionaire that are all catologued on my site etc....
You seem to forget city-data did not want a newbie poster to include links in posts. You can go to my site and read the two pertinent threads and find plenty of links to source documents there. The ball is in your court. You have made the accusation, so quote said lies directly and refute them. You would of course have the documents to prove I am lying, correct???
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Isn't using HAIF to promote one's personal website forbidden? Soapboxmom has been using many forums to promote her own website and personal agenda. Don't worry tho, EarthQuest will be built one day. The latest news out of the EMCID is that they still have confidence that EQ will be built.
What personal agenda? I researched Trey White very thoroughly as I reside in a suburb of Dallas and did not like his flaky water MLM in my hometown. I have worked with numerous enforcement agencies in Texas to protect the public. I am an administrator on the website in my sig and it has no advertising and generates no income. It does have several good threads about Marlin Atlantis and Trey White and the suit with MD Anderson which are good information for those considering investing.
I was very excited about "Dino Don" and his originally planned dinosaur museum. I believe the involvement of Marlin Atlantis suggests much more due diligence is necessary. The taxpayers have a right to the facts as this could turn into a very costly fiasco. The investors could get burned and property values will plummet in the surrounding area if this doesn't get built. Folks that paid inflated prices for their properties are going to be harmed if that should happen. I am concerned for them as well.
I think we should be getting more frequent and substantial updates on this!
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Realscam.com is a crackpot website. Soapboxmom has been at every internet forum that has an EarthQuest thread trying to discredit Marlin/Atlantis and Trey White. She finally found HAIF. My guess is that this is just another NIMBY troll out to try to stop the project. The latest news is that EarthQuest is still a go. The NIMBYs are getting nervous.
Marlin/Atlantis owns the land EQ is to be built on. I do not believe they are funding, building, designing, or managing this project.
http://www.earthquestadventures.com/management-team/
Management TeamCreator and Limited Partner – Don Lessem
is a world-renowned educator and popularizer of natural history, consultant to Steven Spielberg, Disney and Universal films and theme parks, creator of international museum exhibitions, originator of the world’s largest paleontological charities, builder of the largest dinosaur recreations and author of more than 50 books for adults and children.
General Partner and Developer –Marlin Atlantis
of Dallas, Texas is one of the state’s leading residential and commercial property developers, with a particular emphasis upon maintaining natural habitats in its projects.
These are the first two entries on the EarthQuest official site. The Marlin Atlantis bunch I believe owns or did own all the land. They had no doubt hoped the dino park idea would artificially inflate the property value so that they could make a killing on one of their rinky dink residential communities assuming it is one of the ones that actually gets built out.
http://www.marlinatlantis.com/ma_whitestone.html
Located in southeastern Montgomery County, and with direct access to Hwy 59, this planned premier master-planned community will offer parks, trails, a large lake, and recreational facilities. There are planned landscape reserves and greenbelts for a quiet, natural setting. Whitestone, located on the east side of US 59, is the residential community component of a significant mixed-use development. The entertainment venue as well as a major retail/commercial development are located on the west side of US 59. Residential homes of various types will appeal to a broad market base. In Whitestone, residents will enjoy living, working, playing, and learning, all within the community. Planned are churches, a school site, daycare facilities, shopping, offices, and restaurants.COMING SOON!
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I live near Dallas and I remember the excitement about "Dino Don" and his animated dinosaurs coming to Texas. We planned our vacation for 2009 around going to that museum. Imagine my surpise when I started researching Evolv water in 2009. That MLM was being sued by the world renowned MD Anderson Cancer Center. Evolv's founder and CEO was none other than Trey White, who just happens to be the chairman of the board for Marlin Atlantis. When I realized that goof was tangled up in this it became quite clear why the project was floundering.
Trey White spends time at recruitment meetings with totally sleazy MLM promoters. He happily participated in promotional videos and smiled for the cameras while being introduced as a multi-billioniare. Numerous reps in Evolv put those videos on youtube and many blogged of Trey's fantastic business success. But, it is all a frost. Trey White is not a multi-billionaire or even a billionaire. He isn't on and never has been on Forbes list of billionaires. He spins a great Texas sized tall tale however.
Marlin Atlantis is a little cheap starter, tract home division developer. Homes in the 100's to a few in the very low 200s. They have no experience with big projects like this. The Dallas Observer chronicled their tree killing, bankrupt disaster of a project near Duncanville, TX.
I think we should call Trey White's bluff and ask why he is not using his billions he bragged of to fund this project! I think the taxpayers should be asking a lot more questions.
Soapboxmom
Earth Quest Adventures
in Other Houston Neighborhoods
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There you go guys. The pdf for the loan extension is attached. I am pleasantly sruprised the site will allow such a large attachment. That is in fact unusual.
I take it you found this:
http://www.communitychamberemc.com/index.php/news/6-news/181-latest-update-on-earthquest-project.html
I did not realize we were back to doing the entire project at once and had nixed the plan to build it in phases. We shall see.
Soapboxmom
Dino Park Loan Extension.pdf