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Thanks for the input CampLogan1917! I know this style of photography isn't for everybody, but its something I enjoy. I see Houston as an amazing city, and turning my photos of it into more "digital art" as opposed to photography has been a hobby of mine. That's sort of how I see it. I have lots of photos I haven't done up like these, and I like those a lot too, but I wanted to share my hobby with the HAIFers out here because I figured it was unique to other photos posted, in my own way. I appreciate your checking my stuff out tho!

I'm not sure I have figured out how to do this "quote" business but I'll give it a try.

So, if I read you correctly Bengiann your images are not photos. Is that right? If I have that right and they are not photos then what are they? You have really peeked my interest. Is it some kind of process or artistic rendition?

Oh and by the way Bengiann I want it to be clear that I love your work! My questions have nothing to do with me criticizing your work at all! I just can't figure it out and I'm somebdy that's always asking questions so that I can understand. I just wanted that to be clear on my questions and comments.

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Were there Sanborn Maps for Texas? If so maybe if someone has access to them they might show if there was a cemetery located anywhere near the above mentioned location. And, if there are not Sanborn Maps for Texas I'm sure there must be some other kinds of maps used for insurance purposes. What do you think? I'm sure the architects and builders on this site would know.

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I don't have any idea about either of your question -- where this location is and when it was torn down. Maybe someone that has knowledge of those two questions can post the answer to them on here. That way maybe we can get some participation going. Kevin Jackson, you mentioned that you have upwards of a dozen photos on this topic. I would encourage you to post them here if you are of a mind to. Thanks.

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On August 23, 1917, two white policemen arrested a black soldier for interfering with their arrest of a black woman. When a black MP inquired about the soldier's arrest, words were exchanged, & one of the policemen struck the MP. The MP fled; & while fleeing, the MP was fired upon. The MP was pursued into an unoccupied house, where he was arrested & brought to police headquarters. Despite a quick & unhindered release, a rumor rapidly reached Camp Logan that the MP had been shot & killed. After several minutes of mounting tension, the rumor mill brought word to camp that the MP was in fact alive but being held unlawfully. After intense debate, a group of soldiers conclude to march onto the police station in Fourth Ward & secure the MP's release. If the police could assault model soldiers like the military police, they reasoned, none of them were safe from abuse. Realizing something foul was afoot, the white officers of the company ordered the collection of all rifles & loose ammunition. During this process, word of an approaching white mob struck fear into the hearts of the men. In a wild scurry to defend themselves, the soldiers rushed into the supply tents, grabbed rifles & ammunition, & then embarked on a two-hour march into the city, hoping to curb the mob. The white officers found it impossible to restore order. Over a 100 armed soldiers marched into the Fourth Ward, where they encountered the mob: members of which consisted of Klansmen & supporters, police officers, & members of Houston's elite white class, who saw armed blacks as a threat to their ruling order. There was an intense exchange of fire, lasting for several minutes, which resulted in the death of many people. The structure in the picture was the last remains from Camp Logan but it is gone, too, now.

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I guess I'm not going to get any help with the heavy lifting today so here goes. Hopefully somebody will come along and get inspired with me and help.

In the spring of 1917, shortly after the United States declared war on Germany, the U.S. Army ordered the construction of Camp Logan, to facilitate the training of American soldiers. The black 24th Infantry Company was ordered, on July 27, 1917, to guard the construction of the site. The company was stationed in the state of Illinois; a majority of the men had been born & raised in the south & were familiar with segregation, but as army servicemen, many figured, inequality wouldn't be an issue. From the very onset, the black soldiers faced racial discrimination when they received passes to go into Houston. The established elite of the city, & those sworn to protect it-the police & other public officials-viewed the presence of black soldiers as a threat to racial harmony. A large majority of white Houstonians feared that if the black soldiers were shown the same respect as white soldiers, black Houstonians would expect & demand similar treatment. Feeling unsupported, the black soldiers were willing to abide by the legal restrictions imposed by segregated practices, but they resented the manner in which the laws were enforced. They disliked having to stand in the rear of streetcars when vacant seats were available in the "white" section & resented the racial slurs hurled at them by white laborers at Camp Logan. Some police officers regularly harassed African Americans, both soldiers & civilians alike. Most black Houstonians concealed their hostility & endured the abuse, but a number of black soldiers openly expressed their resentment. When ways to keep the enlisted men at the camp were attempted, the blacks disliked this exchange of their freedom for racial peace. The signs of discord were evident for the world to see, but the white officers & city officials did nothing to stop or even impede the pending eruption of violence. The crosswalk in the picture marks the former main entrance to camp.

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I think this is an excellent topic worthy of discussion. My fear is that the Internet is moving towards being almost totally commercial in nature. More of the things that were free are no longer free. Photographs that use to be available have had the switches turned of so you can't download for your own purposes. I'm afraid the internet is moving toward taxation, regulation worst of all a political item to be kicked around at the whims of the politicos.

That said there are some sites that are doing a good job of making their files available to everyone with the ability to download the photos as long as credit is given to them. As a public service most of the daily newspapers have donated their archives to Wayne State University, an urban university, in the heart of Detroit. So many of the photographs in this collection are invaluable as a pictorial history of the city and the region. But, it's not just the newspapers because many private collections have been donated, also. Here's a link to this very fine collection and it is very pedestrian friendly:

http://dlxs.lib.wayne.edu/cgi/i/image/imag...=vmc;page=index

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Stan and Drew are you out there? When I was with Burger, Vernay & Co. on Louisiana St. on the south end of downtown in the late 1970's and early 1980's we use to go to Felix for lunch everyday I was in the office. The other two partners Stan and Drew went there everyday for YEARS. The waiter was an old guy by the name of Frank that never said a word but the other partners I went with were such creatures of habit that Frank like a good bartender knew exactly what we wanted and brought. We had better have wanted what he brought because that;s what we got. Personally, I NEVER knew what the magic of Felix was. Go figure! Mr. Felix's wife was there everyday and it had been years since he had passed away. I never saw Mrs. Felix smile not even once. Like I said I don't know what the magic was but God Bless all of you that have good memories of Felix but not all of us did. I guess that's why there is red and that's why there's blue!

Although, I appreciate all the photographic work on this thread some of the images are so clear and crisp that it makes me want to look in the mirror and ask my eyes why they can't see as clearly or crisply as these photos. I can't even figure out how they can be made to be so clear and crisp?! Maybe it's me or maybe my glasses are too clean. There I smeared them with a Hersey's chocolate bar and that's better.

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The theory we used in Detroit, Michigan and Gary, Indiana when I have been on Urban Exploration Photographic Expeditions was if it was abandoned we didn't get shot at or have security guards chasing us and if it was vacant it was just the opposite. I don't know if that will help but that's my experience with that topic. Oh, I forgot to mention when we went to Gunkanjima we definitely had to have government permission even though it was abandoned. I hope this helps, too!

Page 5 of 5 "Houston: The Unknown City 1836-1946" Chapter 36, page 204. The 5th and final page of this story.

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Page 4 of 5 "Houston: The Unknown City 1836-1946" Chapter 36, page 203

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I'm hoping to get some help with photos and stories concerning the "Mutiny of 1917". I can't do it myself! I don't have the knowledge, resources or know how to do this myself. So, please help with this project. I have so little information about the aftermath of the "Mutiny......" specifically, the courts-martial, sentencing and executions and/or prison sentences. I hope some of you will step up.

Thank you, ahead of time.

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Page 3 of 5 "Houston: The Unknown City 1836-1946" Chapter 36, page 202

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Page 2 of 5 "Houston: The Unknown City 1836-1946" Chapter 36, page 201

Page 1 of 5 "Houston: The Unknown City 1836-1946" Chapter 36, page 200

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The book cover of, "Houston: The Unknown City 1836-1946" by Marguerite Johnston, Copyright 1991, by Texas A7M University Press. Excepts from Chapter Thirty-Six titled, "Mutiny", pgs. 200-2004 to follow.

I guess I figured it out! Maybe!!

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Whew! It took me awhile to figure out how to add more photos to my posts but with the generous help from Karick42 I'm ready to go again and make some additions in the form of postings of photos of interest. Thank you, Karick42. Well, here goes we'll see what I learned! What this is supposed to be is the cover of a book titled, "Houston: The Unknown City 1836-1946" by Marguerite Johnston, Copyright 1991, by Texas A7M University Press. Along with excepts from Chapter Thirty-Six titled, "Mutiny", pgs. 200-2004. By the way this is a very good book about the entire history of the City of Houston from 1836 through 1946. I need to find out if she wrote a book covering 1946 to the present!

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I was doing some research on a place in Houston called the Camp Logan Sandwich Shop that use to be on W. Dallas near downtown that does no longer seem to be in business. I did a Google search on "Camp Logan Sandwich Shop" and this article in the New York Times what some would consider the venerable "old" New York Times was the 1st thing that popped up. I read the article but it wasn't really about the Camp Logan "Mutiny of 1917" It was a story about the two black men that went on trial for beating the white truck driver during the "Rodney King Riots" in Los Angeles in 1993.

There was a slight reference to the Camp Logan Sandwich Shop with even a slighter reference to the Camp Logan "Mutiny of 1917". And, what caused me to include this in this thread is the fact that all the facts that the New ork Times listed about the "Mutiny of 1917" were wrong including even the war that was associated with it. The actual Camp Logan "Mutiny of 1917" happened duing WWI and the New York Times referred to a "WWII race riot". If you want to read the whole opriginal article it is located at:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...mp;pagewanted=1

This is one of the reasons I started this thread because contrary to some of the contributors to this thread the facts in this incident are not generally known. They maybe known by a few but the vast majority do not know the facts and teaching the facts to the younger generations that are coming up is important. I have underlined the pertinent pasages I referred to in the acticle below.

Thanks for your indulgence.

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Aftershocks of Verdicts Rumble Across the Nation

By PETER APPLEBOME,

Published: October 22, 1993

Far from Los Angeles, the verdict reverberated across the United States today, playing out like a Rorschach test of gaping racial divisions.

On talk shows and in interviews in several cities, many whites saw a judicial breakdown in the trial of two black men charged with beating a white truck driver at the start of the Los Angeles riots. Some linked it to an outdated and hypocritical national discourse on race that, they said, has turned criminal issues into civil rights ones.

"It was a tremendous miscarriage of justice," said Pat Warriner, a 49-year-old businessman who just moved to Atlanta. "If it was white guys beating on a black guy, they would have hung them." Division Among Blacks

For blacks, if there was little of the outrage felt by many whites, there seemed to be more division. Many felt that the verdicts returned against Damian M. Williams and Henry K. Watson for attacks on Mr. Denny and other motorists were too light and were as indefensible as the acquittal of the police officers who beat Rodney G. King two and a half years ago in Los Angeles. Others saw a measure of justice in the verdicts that completed a cycle that began with the outrage over the acquittal of the officers on April 29, 1992.

"Justice was done," said Gladys House, a black woman who manages the Camp Logan sandwich shop in Houston, which is named for the scene of a World War II Army race riot. "Usually, there is no justice for blacks in this country."

What the blacks and whites interviewed agreed on, however, was that the verdicts reflected the fear of riots as much as the evidence introduced in court, and that the torn social fabric in Los Angeles is not much different than it is anywhere else.

Thank you so much for posting this, Amy! I went through just now and looked at some of these gorgeous photos and so far, my hands-down favorites have to be the Trans Texas Airlines stewardesses in their cowboy boots!

Dear Amy,

Check out a truly pedestrian friendly photographic collection donated to a university of a major metropolitan area that allows people to view and download the images as long as credit is given to the collection. This is what I would consider a public service to the citizens of the area without regard to their financial condition. This is one of my pet pieves about the internet. It was a great place for the freedom of information exchange. Now, it's becoming another venue for commerse at the public expense.

http://dlxs.lib.wayne.edu/cgi/i/image/imag...=vmc;page=index

Do a random search, bring up the image and you will see that you can download the image for future reference. Oh and by the way this is not a red state, blue state issue it's a freedom of information issue. I hope the University of Texas would adopt this policy concerning their photo collections.

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I made a lot of money in that building so it's hard to see it in any other light than beautiful!

Humble Oil (Exxon/Mobil) Building

Welton Beckett and Associates (1963)

800 Bell Ave

The 600ft tall, 44-story Humble Oil Building (now Exxon/Mobil) is one of Houston

I'm continuously amazed at the high quality of the research skills so many of the members of this website possess. I went to the link you provided for the "Camp Logan Cemetery" thread, tmariarand there was such good information and the background showed that someone had dug down deeply to find out the facts they shared on that thread. Some of those contributors are going to get a pm from me asking them about some of their techniques and skills in researching information.

Thank you for this very informative post, tmariarand, and I'm glad to hear that you support the idea of having all the information possible concerning the "Mutiny of 1917" located in one place. I think that is awesome!

My best,

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camplogan17, I'm going to send you a private message that you can pick up by clicking on "My Controls" and then looking for your inbox and when you find it clicking on my message which will say, "CampLogan1917". In there we'll talk about what to do about this problem.

Regards,

CampLogan1917

camplogan17,

I knew somebody out there had some photographs from this incident and if I kept asking somebody would come through. You did BIG time. Thank you for all the good information and the 1st photo. This topic was the reason I finally registered to do postings on this great site. I had been monitoring this website for sometime now but finally I had to start asking the questions to do what I have said in earlier posts which is to get as much information about the "Mutiny of 1917" with the terrible tragedy was.

I look forward to additional post by you of other information and photos. And, thank you very much for your contribution of information and photos.

With regards,

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Thanks to tmariar, plumber2, Clio and all the others so for your contributions to this thread. It's important to me that this topic gets the attention necessary so that as much background, history and photos be gathered in one place for other people to read long after this time we're living in. The motivation was my niece was trying to write a school paper on this topic and was having a hard time gathering info and pictures for her story. So, I got on the internet and did some search and found information and especially photos to be lacking on this topic.

Now, there are a number of people that seem knowledgeable about the "Mutiny of 1917" which is all well and good but all of us are not as fortunate to have all the knowledge they have. So, that's why people like my niece and I are asking for help from people just like that that have lots of knowledge about something we don't have as much knowledge about.

Thanks for listening.

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Yes, Kevin Johnson, I am looking for photos of anything surrounding the "Mutiny of 1917". I have found any photos of this incident to be very scarce. One of the members on this thread said that they even saw photos of the actual hanging after the Courts Martial which are of interest to me from a historical perspective. So, if you have any photos of interest on this topic I would appreciate you posting them on this thread or contacting me by private correspondence.

Thank you,

CampLogan1917

Thank you, D.J., for the additional information concerning the Buffalo Soldiers National Museum here in Houston as well as the possibility of a DVD.

Regards,

CampLogan1917