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  1. Irontiger - the architects were likely out of Cincinnati. The mall was developed by Federated Department stores - Foley's owner since 1945 before they were sold off to May Co in 1988 and then to Macy's. I would love to find pics of the Mall's early days with the anchors, hallways, etc.

  2. Palais Royal was located between The Patio/Sears wing and the CenterCourt (where the waterfalls were) and faced Greenspoint Drive. (Friday's, El Torito). Bealls replaced Battelstein's first.

    In response to the prior comment about Foley's being green -- Macy's apparently painted it green. You will notice the structures on the roof match what the color once was - white. I was at a training course recently at the greenspoint Marriott and ventured into the mall. Foley's is really sad. Macy's closed the entire first floor and has black curtains hanging to prevent you from seeing up there. The escalators are blocked off. The store smells and several associates told me the upstairs leaks like a sieve and they are getting sick from the mold. You can actually see mold growing on the glass that still fronts the elevator structure.

    It used to be a beautiful store. The entire mall is so sad looking. Nothing like its previous life.

    I was speaking a commercial realtor regarding our moving our office and she said not to rule out greenspoint. According to her, the current owner is out of California. He has refused to sell several times. One business arrangement involved them totally redoing the mall (heard that one before) and he even signed 6 restaurants that committed to building in the mall parking lot. He never did anything so they sued him. Now he is in finanical trouble and the realtor hopes he finally sells She said the return of greenspoint is not an if, it is a when. There have been plenty of interested parties with the pockets to pay for a redo. The other entities are interested due to the proximaty to the airport and freeways as well as the Class A office buildings.

  3. The former Garden Ridge Pottery off I-45 and Airtex opened in approximately 1983 as "Buyer's Market - the off-price mall". It opened about the same time that the 3 Deauville Fashion Mall's opened. Their slogan was "everyone loves a bargain". They opened with great fanfare as a challenge to the Texas Blue Laws. The other shopping malls were closed on Sundays. The Buyer's Market and Deauville Malls did not have traditional stores or anchors. One of the anchors that faced the freeway in Buyer's Market was called "Lavender's". It was a large floral/greenery and crafts store. Once the regular malls opened on Sundays their business dried up and they closed shop.

  4. The reason Macy's is selling Foley's T Shirts, Lunch and shopping totes is they have filed suit against Strategic Marks LLC to block them from bringing back Bullock's, Jordan Marsh, Filene's and other quality department stores, both in internet and brick and mortar. Macy's let all their trademarks expire, including Foley's, allowing others to legally purchase them. Strategic marks sees the void in the marketplace of quality merchandise and stores, as well as the good will in the names of the stores. Macy's has an impure, albeit greedy, motive at work in selling the items with all of the old stores names -- to NEVER bring back the stores and create competition again. They have disdain for the brands and no intention on bringing them back.

    http://www.retrodepartmentstores.com/

    http://www.topix.net/content/prweb/2011/09/macys-files-opposition-to-block-the-use-of-their-expired-2

  5. Wow. The Foley's t-shirt link (http://www1.macys.co...ategoryId=30423) does make sense, but it's just empty words based on what they did to the chain. Still, not as shameless as Hardee's and the fake "Big Shef" burger. If Macy's really cared, they would bring back the Foley's branding to the stores they took over, and they can be like The Bon-Ton: one company, half a dozen nameplates.

    I agree wholeheartedly. Isnt it compelling that Macy's praises every chain for their community involvement, philanthropy and specialness in their descriptions next to the t shirt for each chain. If they had such value, WHY DID YOU ELIMINATE THEM? Lundgren and the other Macy people don't want the new company to bring back Bullock's, Jordan Marsh, etc because they KNOW THEY WOULD DO WELL. They still have disdain for the Marshall Fields' loyalists who still picket their store every year on State Street in Chicago. Marshall Field's was an international destination - the 3rd most visited landmark in Chicago. Why go to a boring Macy's when you have one in every mall across the country? The public is tired of the same generic Chinese crap at their stores. Thankfully, we still have Dillard's. They are the closest thing to what Foley's was like. It's too bad Dillard's doesnt bring back Joske's. At least they did keep the store's quality and service up unlike Macy's.

  6. Well, this day five years ago, Macy's officially "reopened" all the old Foley's stores, though the stores had been closed for a week, with Foley's signs only draped over the Macy's signs (and Federated shut down the offices in 2005, does anyone know for sure where the offices were?)

    The Foley's buying and executive offices were still in the downtown store until Macy's shut them down. Did you hear about the company that bought A&S (Abraham & Straus), Jordan Marsh, May Co., Robinson's and Bullock's expired trademarks and intends to bring the stores back? Macy's has filed suit and has since repurchased the old expired trademarks of their two dozen or more department stores and is selling a cheap black one size fits all shirt on their website to say they are using the trademarks. They have got to be the greediest, most idiotic company out there. To trash all those great names and the value, not to mention good will value that one cannot put a price on, was one of the biggest marketing blunders since New Coke. Customers are tired of the generic garbage in ever mall from coast to coast. Same anchors everywhere. Here is the article: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/9/prweb8685447.htm

  7. As of the end of February 2011, Brother's Pizza has served its last slice of pizza. They guy at the counter (who i think is part of the family) stated that they had been in GPM for over 30 years. They moved to a location in Cyperss (290 and Barker Cypress i beleive). That was hands down the best pizza in town. The Brother's pizza on cypresswood is not the same. I was really saddened by this. It really was the only reason that I ever went to that mall anymore.

    We, Aldine HS band, played at GPM for the grand opening of the new at the time food court, the Ellipse. I think this was Christmas 1996 because I remember playing Christmas songs around the mall.

    I remember eating at Picadilly and going to the movies as a kid. I remember watching Back to the Future II and An American Tale: Fievel Goes West at the General Cinema.

    My girlfriend, now wife, worked in the mall in high school. She worked at Body Shop, Contempo, and Express.

    From driving by, the Fitness Connnection gym always seems to have a lot of cars in the parking lot.

    I spoke to the family (I went to high school with Sylvia, Tina and Manny). The Greenspoint location was no longer profitable. They were the only original tenant that was left from the original food court (called The Patio for the first 20 years). Brothers has locations in The Woodlands (Grogans Mill Shopping Center), Magnolia (Westwood Village Shopping Center), Willowbrook and Cypresswood. I have patronized the Woodlands and Magnolia locations and they are just as tasty as the original in the mall.

  8. I have in my possession Aldine's yearbooks from 1976 to 1996. In them (especially some of the early ones) there are shots in the ads section of some of the stores in the mall. Nothing spectacular, mind you. No pics of the Sears or Foley's. But I believe there may be a few worth posting.

    Obviously the BEST source for information would be the mall itself, but I've got $5 no one there knows a doggone thing about any history of the mall and what little history there is is so poorly organized it's almost not worth going through.

    Second best place would be the two special newspaper advertising sections the Houston newspapers put out when the mall opened in 1976. I've been told by the Chronicle that they do not own the copyright on the advertising. That resides with the advertiser. And according to copyright law, copyrighted material published or created before 1978 had a copyright good for 28 years (which would be up to August 2004, in this case), when it could be renewed. But c'mon... you really think Dillard's or Macy's is going to bother renewing copyrights on obscure ads from Joske's or Foley's? So I would feel absolutely confident we could post the ads and photos here without legal problem.

    However, when you make a printout from the UH microfilm, you lose the clarity of the photo. The ads would come out fine. Those could then be scanned. But the only way to get a photo off the microfilm is to take a picture of the reader's screen. That never seems to work out well.

    I'm busy working on a history of Aldine High School (if anyone has anything to contribute to that, please see the corresponding thread in "Other Houston Neighborhoods) and may not be able to make it to UH any time soon. If I do, and if I remember, I'll print out one or the other (they're pretty much identical sections).

    I will scan and post the Greenspoint related photos and ads from the Aldine High yearbook. Those are not copyrighted (I've checked).

    Firebird, did you have a time frame when you were intending on scanning the photos? Thanks!

  9. When I was in high school in 1981-1985, our drafting class was shown blueprints for an upscale mall that was to be built in the Greens Crossing portion of Greenspoint just across the freeway. It was to include a Bloomingdales and an ice skating rink. The Paragon building(s) -- one of three that was actually built -- was supposed to be connected via a skywalk. When the energy bust came, the plans were scrapped and they build the now defunct "power center" that had included Phar Mor, Children's Palace Toys, Circuit City, etc on the site. Did anyone else see those blueprints or know about this? What was the name of the planned mall? Any other prospective tenants you were aware of? It shows how upscale Greenspoint was at its zenith. Remember Lord & Taylor, Walter Pyes, Benetton, Jarrod's Polo Shop, Isabell Gerhart and other high end stores Greenspoint Mall had in its quiver?

  10. Everyone,

    Lasker Meyer, Foley's former chairman prior to the May Co. and subsequent Macy's takeover, is publishing a book simply called "Foley's" . It is being made available on May 19th at the dedication of the Foley's archives at the University of Houston.

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  11. @Hydeaway: Hmm...there's a "Foley's Cooking Fiesta", so obviously, this was before the major downscaling.

    By the way, the commercial was made in 1984 at the Memorial City Foley's. This was the same year RH Macy entered the Houston market. Thus, the "Foley's is Texas, we're part of these parts" in the jingle was to combat the invasion by Macy's. Little did we know back then what would become what had always been across the country. Scores of department stores, literally thousands, used to dot the landscape nationwide defining regions. There was a tradition,history and uniqueness that has been lost with the consolidations. Now we are down to less than 10: Boscovs, Nordstrom, Von Maur, The Bon Ton, Dillards and the Kmart Macy's of today. I am not counting JCPenney and Sears as they have always been nationwide and not very unique in themselves.

  12. I believe Foley's was the "Red Apple Sale" wasn't it? IIRC, Penney's was the brand featuring the "White Sale". Too many years...too few brain cells remain, I may be wrong.

    You are correct. However, The Red Apple Sale was originally a Sanger-Harris sale. When Foley's merged with Sanger-Harris they adopted it. I have an old catalogue from 1984's Foley's White Sale. I believe several department stores called their linen sales a white sale.

    @Hydeaway: Hmm...there's a "Foley's Cooking Fiesta", so obviously, this was before the major downscaling.

    IronTiger,

    You are correct. Foley's used to have in-store cooking demonstrations. As you can see from the commercial, some were done by Ninfa Lorenzo of Ninfa's Restaurants. In 1984-85 Foley's had an exclusive line of dinnerware and cookware designed by Ninfa.

  13. Foley's had several logos in their history. In the 1940s it was a all caps logo with rust being the new company color scheme. Their slogan at the opening of the new Foley's in 1947 was "Building a bigger Texas, building a bigger Houston, building a bigger Foley's". Once the store opened, the slogan went "Tops in Texas.. Foley's"

    Later in the 1940's they had the Foley's..of course slogan.

    In the early 1960's the lower case Foley's logo was designed and implemented after the opening of the new Sharpstown branch store. It had an azalea type of logo utilized for the apostrophe. The new logo was turqoise and was reflected on the chargecards, bags, boxes, etc. Later in the early 1970s the azalea apostrophe was dropped for an asterisk. The colors were changed to burnt orange and olive green. Some had the misconception that they changed to the asterisk logo because with the opening of each new branch store, a new "leaf" was added. However, that was not the case. In the late 1970's the avant garde foley's logo was created. It was all lower case letters but still had the asterisk (this time at the bottom,between the y and s). Bags and boxes were in a yellow with navy typeface. Then, in approximately 1981, the logo was changed again to incorporate a star in the asterisk logo. The store colors became rust as they were in the 1940s. Bags, gift boxes, fleet delivery trucks and even the backdrops of store counters (fine jewelry, for example, where jewelry would be displayed) reflected this. The slogan in the 1970s was "Foley's is magical, unpredictable, sensational, you know you want Foley's"

    In 1984, the RH Macy company (the original, upscale Macy's, not the Kmart we have now) entered the Houston marketplace. Foley's and Joske's were historically the main competitors at area malls. Sometimes, (as was the case with Northline, Northwest, Almeda, The Galleria, Sharpstown, for instance) where there was a Foley's, there was not a Joske's. Foley's and Joske's would also compete with Sakowitz and Frost Brothers with some of their designer departments and fur salons. However, Macy's was new to the area and Foley's was preparing for the competition. They drew up a new slogan and logo to fight back, stressing their hometown roots. It was "At the heart of Texas...Foley's!" The new store colors became grey and white with a peach heart that was placed in the E. The asterisk/star was dropped altogether. Letters were all upper case and the E had no vertical line. Ads were on the airwaves and newspapers. I recall one ad that showed two yuppies running for a plane with luggage in hand. Behind them in black and white was a stage coach. "Texans have always knowns how to catch the next stage.. with luggage from Foley's". Macy's had their slogan "We're Macy's and we're a part of your life!". The Foley's Deerbrook was designed to go head to toe with the first Macy's at the same mall.

    In 1986 Foley's introduced their "Foley's...of course!" campaign. It was a highly successful run that went on for many years. Many do not know they had the "of course" campaign many years prior in the 1930s or 1940s.

    The next change came in 1987. Federated, which had owned Foley's since the 1940s, announced that Foley's would merge with her sister store, Sanger-Harris, in Dallas. Headquarters would remain in Houston and Sanger-Harris would be rebranded as Foley's. Foley's continued their "of course" campaign but added, at the bottom of the logo on bags "now including Sanger-Harris".

    The merger was barely complete when corporate raider Campeau took over Allied Department Stores and dismantled, shut down and sold off many chains across the nation. Jordan Marsh and Joske's were 2 of the twenty some odd divisions that were affected. Dillard's purchased Joske's and promptly rebranded. Campeau, still not satisfied, raided Federated and took them over with junk bonds, as he had Allied. Foley's and Filene's (Boston) were promptly sold off to May Company. The Foley's we always knew would never be the same. Many departments were liquidated immediately. Those included the Fur Salons, jewelry and watch repair, junior accessories, Big and Tall, personal shopper, photo studio, beauty salons, sporting goods, books, toys, candy, carpets and floor coverings, pharmacy, records and tapes, major appliances and televisions. Federated had already shut down the Budget Store in 1985 in an attempt to move more upscale. The restaurants continued for a time. One by one, however, they started shuttering the branch store restaurants. This occured in the early 1990s. Downtown also lost The Grill (Men's Grill prior to the women's movement) on the 2nd floor, The Terrace on the 5th floor, Lunch Express across the street in the parking garage as well as the much frequented bakery.

    May changed the typeface of the Foley's logo to reflect the same font as the other divisions. It was an upper case F with other letters lower case.

    The Federated/Allied merger went bankrupt causing the consolidation and demise of hundreds of chains of department stores nationwide that had been the heritage of so many cities. The Federated that emerged from bankruptcy was not the old Federated. RH Macy had also gone bankrupt with the name being purchased by the new Federated. Federated bought May Company in 2006 and rebranded all May divisions to Macy's as they had with all the prior Federated chains, with the exception of Bloomingdale's.

    Some may remember the sales that were specific to Foley's -- their anniversary sale in September, the "Remnant Days" sale (end of season clearances) and their annual White Sale.

    For nostalgia sake, here are some commercials for Foley's and Joske's:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7zlsr_foley-s-department-store_lifestyle

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ajek_joske-s-department-store

  14. Nikita's - I just found this on Google Books from Texas Monthly, 1978. I just linked to the beginning of the Houston restaurant review section - lot's of other great old places mentioned there.

    Also, JR Gonzales has started doing restaurants in his Bayou City History blog in the Chron. The first ones were about Felix and Alfred's.

    I remember Dalt's and Houlihan's that were by the entrance to Joske's at Greenspoint Mall. Dalt's also had a location on Westheimer. Victoria's Station was great by Greenspoint as was Fajitas on Greens Road. Maggie's was on I-45 by Greenspoint as was Scooby Doo's Fun Factory Pizza. Birra Poretti's took their space over later. Foley's had the Greenhouse restaurant and Lord & Taylor had their own. Smuggler's Inn was on the Beltway 8 interchange by Greenspoint Mall. York Steakhouse was good. It was in the Joske's wing of Greenspoint. Duff's Smorgasbord was a change of pace in Humble.

  15. I read somewhere that Frost Brothers was going to merge with Sakowitz in the late 1980s. Was that ever carried out? That would mean that there would be Sakowitz in North Star Mall and Sunrise Mall (Corpus Christi). Obviously, it if did happen, as all the Sakowitz stores in Houston (and, um, Cincinnati) closed.

    Frost Brothers and Battelsteins were both bought by a New York Firm (it seems like it was Manhattan Shirt Company). Eventually, the Battelsteins were converted to Frost Brothers in Houston and the remaining stores (like Greenspoint) was sold to Bealls. Frost had a location in The Galleria and River Oaks. Frost went bankrupt and was liquidated.

    There is a great book I got on Amazon called "Blood Rich" that goes into the Sakowitz saga in great detail. It is a very good read.

  16. How many logos did Foley's have over the years? There's the red FOLEY'S (??-60s), foley*s (through the late 60s-early 80s?), FOLEY'S (with part of the E missing, early 1980s-early 1990s), FOLEY'S (sort of like 1980s one, early 1990s-2006)...am I missing anything?

    Also, when did the branch restaurants close?

    Foley's had several logos in their history. In the 1940s it was a all caps logo with rust being the new company color scheme. Their slogan at the opening of the new Foley's in 1947 was "Building a bigger Texas, building a bigger Houston, building a bigger Foley's". Once the store opened, the slogan went "Tops in Texas.. Foley's"

    Later in the 1940's they had the Foley's..of course slogan.

    In the early 1960's the lower case Foley's logo was designed and implemented after the opening of the new Sharpstown branch store. It had an azalea type of logo utilized for the apostrophe. The new logo was turqoise and was reflected on the chargecards, bags, boxes, etc. Later in the early 1970s the azalea apostrophe was dropped for an asterisk. The colors were changed to burnt orange and olive green. Some had the misconception that they changed to the asterisk logo because with the opening of each new branch store, a new "leaf" was added. However, that was not the case. In the late 1970's the avant garde foley's logo was created. It was all lower case letters but still had the asterisk (this time at the bottom,between the y and s). Bags and boxes were in a yellow with navy typeface. Then, in approximately 1981, the logo was changed again to incorporate a star in the asterisk logo. The store colors became rust as they were in the 1940s. Bags, gift boxes, fleet delivery trucks and even the backdrops of store counters (fine jewelry, for example, where jewelry would be displayed) reflected this. The slogan in the 1970s was "Foley's is magical, unpredictable, sensational, you know you want Foley's"

    In 1984, the RH Macy company (the original, upscale Macy's, not the Kmart we have now) entered the Houston marketplace. Foley's and Joske's were historically the main competitors at area malls. Sometimes, (as was the case with Northline, Northwest, Almeda, The Galleria, Sharpstown, for instance) where there was a Foley's, there was not a Joske's. Foley's and Joske's would also compete with Sakowitz and Frost Brothers with some of their designer departments and fur salons. However, Macy's was new to the area and Foley's was preparing for the competition. They drew up a new slogan and logo to fight back, stressing their hometown roots. It was "At the heart of Texas...Foley's!" The new store colors became grey and white with a peach heart that was placed in the E. The asterisk/star was dropped altogether. Letters were all upper case and the E had no vertical line. Ads were on the airwaves and newspapers. I recall one ad that showed two yuppies running for a plane with luggage in hand. Behind them in black and white was a stage coach. "Texans have always knowns how to catch the next stage.. with luggage from Foley's". Macy's had their slogan "We're Macy's and we're a part of your life!". The Foley's Deerbrook was designed to go head to toe with the first Macy's at the same mall.

    In 1986 Foley's introduced their "Foley's...of course!" campaign. It was a highly successful run that went on for many years. Many do not know they had the "of course" campaign many years prior in the 1930s or 1940s.

    The next change came in 1987. Federated, which had owned Foley's since the 1940s, announced that Foley's would merge with her sister store, Sanger-Harris, in Dallas. Headquarters would remain in Houston and Sanger-Harris would be rebranded as Foley's. Foley's continued their "of course" campaign but added, at the bottom of the logo on bags "now including Sanger-Harris".

    The merger was barely complete when corporate raider Campeau took over Allied Department Stores and dismantled, shut down and sold off many chains across the nation. Jordan Marsh and Joske's were 2 of the twenty some odd divisions that were affected. Dillard's purchased Joske's and promptly rebranded. Campeau, still not satisfied, raided Federated and took them over with junk bonds, as he had Allied. Foley's and Filene's (Boston) were promptly sold off to May Company. The Foley's we always knew would never be the same. Many departments were liquidated immediately. Those included the Fur Salons, jewelry and watch repair, junior accessories, Big and Tall, personal shopper, photo studio, beauty salons, sporting goods, books, toys, candy, carpets and floor coverings, pharmacy, records and tapes, major appliances and televisions. Federated had already shut down the Budget Store in 1985 in an attempt to move more upscale. The restaurants continued for a time. One by one, however, they started shuttering the branch store restaurants. This occured in the early 1990s. Downtown also lost The Grill (Men's Grill prior to the women's movement) on the 2nd floor, The Terrace on the 5th floor, Lunch Express across the street in the parking garage as well as the much frequented bakery.

    May changed the typeface of the Foley's logo to reflect the same font as the other divisions. It was an upper case F with other letters lower case.

    The Federated/Allied merger went bankrupt causing the consolidation and demise of hundreds of chains of department stores nationwide that had been the heritage of so many cities. The Federated that emerged from bankruptcy was not the old Federated. RH Macy had also gone bankrupt with the name being purchased by the new Federated. Federated bought May Company in 2006 and rebranded all May divisions to Macy's as they had with all the prior Federated chains, with the exception of Bloomingdale's.

    Some may remember the sales that were specific to Foley's -- their anniversary sale in September, the "Remnant Days" sale (end of season clearances) and their annual White Sale.

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    Also, each store had a "Cash Office" for cashing checks (as long as you had a Foley's account) and selling tickets for the Nutcracker and other special events.

    Downtown had the Bargain Basement with the branch stores having the "Budget Store" that was typically on the 2nd floor. It offered more value oriented merchandise.

    For those that are interested, I have a Foley's Yahoo group. Called (what else?) Foley's of course. I have links to old TV commercials, photos, etc not only of Foley's but of other regional stores that have disappeared.

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  18. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />To the post requesting the departments Foley's had: <br /><br />* Personal Shopper<br />* Travel department<br />* Watch and Jewelry Repair<br />* Restaurants (branch stores had "The Greenhouse" while downtown had the Azalea Terrace,  Men's Grill (later the Grill), Juniors Snack Bar, Lunch Express and the Bakery. <br />* Big and Tall <br />* Fur Salon<br />* Fur storage and cleaning <br />* Beauty Salon<br />* Photo Studio <br />* Toys<br />* Books<br />* Candy (not just Godiva but fresh candy from the downtown store to the branches)<br />* Stationery (with designer pens and other very nice office accessories)<br />* Lamps<br />* Carpet and Flooring<br />* Stereos <br />* Major Appliances<br />* Televisions<br />* Records and Tapes <br />* In-store Pharmacy and drug department<br />* Lawn and Garden<br />* Game Shop (with Nintendo, Atari and others)<br />* In-Store Decorator<br />* Fine China, Silver and Crystal (not the bland stuff Macy's carries)<br />* Children's shoes <br />* Main Floor and Salon Shoes <br />* The Lion's Head (Men's Cologne Bar located in the Men's department <br />* Furniture<br />* In-Store cooking demonstrations by local celebrities and restaurants (like Mama Ninfa Laurenzo from Ninfa's) <br />* The Foley's Academy (at the Downtown store) for kids struggling in school<br />* The Foley's Thanksgiving Day parade and Christmas lights at the downtown store<br /> <br />The departments listed were at all branch stores unless indicated at the downtown store only.<br />
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    Also, each store had a "Cash Office" for cashing checks (as long as you had a Foley's account) and selling tickets for the Nutcracker and other special events.

    Downtown had the Bargain Basement with the branch stores having the "Budget Store" that was typically on the 2nd floor. It offered more value oriented merchandise.

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