charris911

and Taylor the best high school? no way. Katy by far. Interestingly my parents lived in Katy when taylor was being built and supposedly it was done a semester late so the two high schools we're in the same building for fall and played eachother in football and everything...

It was not the entire semester....THS opened with 9th and 10th grade and did not play varsity the first year. Taylor was practically done and the gym could be used, bussed the team over to practice during the fall....etc...etc. Interesting note...that there were two football fields being used in KISD until 1984 when KISD Stadium (Rhodes) opened. Tiger Field and what is now the THS practice field was the other "stadium"! Its difficult to imagine the crowds (or lack of crowd, as compared to now).

I have mentioned this on other threads. But at a bond presentation in early 2001, I asked infront of about 60 concerned citizens at the CFISD adm office, what the "Education Support Complex" was on the bond...and I was told by the presenter, that it included a football field and combination multi-purpose, basketball and preformance center. I dont think anything was hidden, CFISD has a great facility that is booked ever weekend and is used by almost every campus in the district.

We live in a world of buzz words in the education world....

Instruction Support Center = Adm Building

Education Support Complex = Auditorium and other support facilities

Information Management Service = Computer folks

Agricultural Science Center = Rodeo and Ag Barn

Law Enforcement Complex = Police Department

Transporation Center = Bus Barn

New Parent Orientation Facility = Place for parents who do not speak English

Student-Parent Assistance = Pre-school for high schools students with children

Opportunity Awareness Center = School for disruptive students.......................the list is endless

If you notice on the Feb 2007 presentation, the location is in a "star" which indicated that land had not been purchased at the time (of the presention). That was a projected location Clay/Katy Hockley, not set in stone. The bond authorized the search for land and the district found the property they wanted. The board approved the purchase of 140-acres at the SW corner of Peek Rd and Stockdick School Rd.

Aug 27, 2007 meeting notes:

http://www.katyisd.org/services/board/meeting.htm

If you looked at the 2006 facilities study (no longer online), it should a future HS#9 in the Firethorn area with a "star", however, the district purchased property near Fulshear, and it was updated on the Feb 2007 study.

The 2005 tax rate was $2.00

2006 tax rate was $1.85

The last board meeting (Aug.) they discussed the 2007 tax rate and it will be somewhere between $1.56 and $1.60 per $100 evaluation. You will know in the next 30 days what you owe at the end of the year.

Its northeast of Katy and northwest of Morton Ranch HS. South of FM529, north of Clay Rd.

Noticied the Katy school board, approved the purchase of the site for HS#8...

...140-acres (includes ele and jh) at the SW corner of Peek Rd and Stockdick School Rd.

You sure about that? I saw a PDF that showed many Bridgeland homes in Katy I.S.D.

Yes, the only portion of Bridgeland that is in Katy ISD is the area south of House Haul Rd when you turn off of Katy-Hockley Rd until the first turn of House Haul Rd. The district lines then go south straight down Peek Rd until it intersects with Clay Rd. The Grand Parkway website, http://www.grandpky.com/segments/e/ gives a pretty good idea of the area in question.

Katy ISD, in Feb 2007 projected between 300 and 430 houses...from the area. All these to be built between Fall 2011 and Fall 2016. I think the generic ratio is 8 students for every 10 houses (half of those students in 6-12 grades, the other half elementary). For Katy, they will have schools in the area, but I dont know about the numbers for dedicated schools "in" Bridgeland...time will tell. I am sure Bridgeland will push for the district to purchase school sites as close as possible.

Bridgeland will have three good school districts, and probably two good CFISD High Schools, maybe the next one will be Cypress-Bridge High School????

Katy ISD has not yet bought a site for a HS or JH near Bridgelands. They only have plans for a HS north of Clay Rd, but the actual site has not been purchased. Homes in the part of the Bridgelands within Katy ISD will not be get started for 5 years, and then its just a portion along House Haul Rd that is in Katy ISD, the bulk is CFISD.

Unless you are directly next to the Wal-Mart itself, I would guess that it will not decrease your property value. Actually, you may find your value of the home, being increased because of new buisness in the area. I would agree with a previous poster, that what is causing a decrease in value of homes in your area...is the market of starter to moderatly priced homes. The first time and low income families are just not being approved for loans...and those that have had previous loans are defaulting in record numbers. This lowers values of certain neighborhoods.

I'm assuming you are only interested in the 290 area that is beyond Beltway 8. There are some good apartments at West Rd and 290, and at Jones and 290. If you want to go further out, there are some nice apartments at the front of the Coles Crossing subdivision at 290 and Barker Cypress.

Stone Canyon Apartments just east of West Rd on Jones, is great. Lived there for many years...nice, good value.

I know that CFISD bought land on 529 west of Fry road...and I remember in the school board report it said for a multi-campus site. Of course I cannot find it again, at the moment.

This would be my guess. With all the development out 529, and with the planned Grand Parkway extended thru that area, I bet there will be another high school west of Cypress Springs.

CSHS will be at or nearing capacity, when 9 and 10 come online (ranch and lakes), and with all the open land slated for development out near Settlers Villiage...I imagine that will be choice.

Fairfield will be zoned to Cypress Ranch, which will be nearing capacity with Bridgeland, so I would guess, maybe out near Fairfield for the next one to relieve ranch. Since the area east of Barker Cypress is built out, those zones could be shifted with two more HS opening in the western portion???

Thanks for the replies. Again, I do not know what her punishment should be...neither does anyone posting here. The school administrators, student and parents are the only ones involved...and they are able to make the best decision.

Some want all punishment the same for an offense, and some want it MOLDED for the students behavior (past and present). Either way the district will be said it is too harsh or "not fair".

What "due process" was she deprived? What "free speach" was she deprived?

Note: Before going to law school, read the opinion you sighted ("Goss v. Lopez (1975)). The students (in Ohio at the time) had NO right to appeal the suspension under the law, that was the opinion of the USSC on lack-of-due process. Also, she is not being suspended from school (like the students in your case), she will continue to be educated at KISD. The Texas Education Code provides for appeal to the central office and then if not satisfied to the Board of Trustees (school board).

Limitations are set on due process and free speach, and if you read the third to last paragraph of the majority opinion of your case, you will see the limitations explained.

Again "public school district, as government institutions, are required to allow for due process, free speech, etc" is NOT a factual statement. Public school districts have leeway "to promote orderly administration of school activities".

One thing I have learned is that claiming some constitutional flaw, without actually understanding the law is a rather difficult obstacle to overcome. You all do seem to already be great lawyers though, blame everyone else.

My complaint, from the beginning, is that everyone wants to jump on the school district for acting to harsh, when very few know all the events that took place. Maybe there is more to the story...

Good luck VicMan, PM me if you got anything else, I may have a little constitutional law background for you to learn.

Otherwise I am done talking about this, have fun.

C. Harris, remember that public school district, as government institutions, are required to allow for due process, free speech, etc. " I am not saying that anyone is 100% right, but everyone questioning school administrators, because they "dont think something is fair", is childish, and any ADULT knows life is NOT FAIR. Understand you dont know all the facts." - But school administrators are required to decisions comparable to decisions of judges in court systems, etc.

For private schools, as they are not government institutions, they have more latitude in "fairness," controlling student speech rights, etc.

"remember that public school district, as government institutions, are required to allow for due process, free speech, etc"

WRONG

"But school administrators are required to decisions comparable to decisions of judges in court systems, etc."

WRONG

I guarantee that government institutions test the limits of due process and free speech. The courts decide what is fact. School administrators are not comparable to court judges. That is a different branch of government.

Trae, Thanks for your comment, on why you think Katy ISD is "messed up". Those where great examples...and I hope other readers can see what is going on in public schools.

Either you can back the personnel on the front-lines and their decisions or you can second guess everything that these people do. I am not saying that anyone is 100% right, but everyone questioning school administrators, because they "dont think something is fair", is childish, and any ADULT knows life is NOT FAIR. Understand you dont know all the facts.

Erik dont know what you mean when you say "You are a substitute teacher? That figures.", but no I do not substitute teach. I do respect the job they do, and its important one at that. It is very difficult, I would assume, to enter a class of over 20 people (young people), and attempt to maintain some resemblence of control, follow the lesson plans ALL the while not knowing any or few of the students names. I can understand why a seating chart is important...but they wouldnt know many faces either. But that is for a different thread.

As a matter of fact I do know the background. She was a first time offender apparently, and not a bad student, at least to hear her father tell it. Punishments in a junior high school setting, SHOULD be molded to the student. It seems you would want a gestapo type regime in the katy school district. I pay my KATY ISD taxes just like you chief, and I have two children as well, and if my daughter wrote on a wall that was already covered in graffitti because the school was too lazy to throw some friggin paint on it, I would be wringing the principals neck for sending my child to SAC, for such a miniscule offense. If my daughter had written MS13, on the same wall, I would have a different opinion from her writing that she "Loves Johnny!" with a heart around it, no bigger than the palm of my hand. Go get some Prozac and chill out a bit. I am almost 100% positive that little miss Shelby isn't going around throwing up gang signs and spray painting "GY" all over the city, nor will she probably grow up to be such a person. I am sure you have done much worse in your heyday, and just never got caught.

I am glad that you knowing the background, means what her father is saying. I will guarantee that things are not always roses (who's are). Since each offense is MOLDED to the student, some children catch the extreme end of the scale. She got a different punishment for a reason, that I am sure is between the school administration, parents and student. I am glad the district, does not publish our school-year records for all to view.

She may have a great record, but MAYBE SHE lied when caught or was disrespectful to the administrator...I dont know what happened...only the people involved know the details.

If the district policy is those that are caught writing on the walls is A-School, then that is the rule, sorry appeal the decision to the superintendent and school board. Everyone would be upset if people got different punishments for the same thing...OH that is what everyone wants, the punishment molded for the student. That is what happened.

Everyone (especially those with kids in school) should volunteer at their local school at least once or if your job schedule allows sign up to substitute teach. Its eye opening and a very rewarding experience.

How is this a good example of Zero Tolerance.

You seem to be contradicting yourself. you even wrote this later...

"Hopefully the school district will do what is right for the student."

Do you know what zero tolerance is?

Zero tolerance is a term used to describe a non-discretionary enforcement policy for the criminal law or informal rules. Under a system of zero tolerance, persons in positions of authority

Hopefully the school district will do what is right for the student.

looks like Katy is now in discussions with the family. the superintendent has been in contact with the family which presented information that allows punishments to vary to as low as 1 hr. the child has no history of problems per the family and school district. evidently the superintendent will be studying the information and contact the family later this week.

Charris, if punishment is molded based on the student, what do you feel punishment should be?

I do not know, the entire situation, to know the punishment, I will agree with the outcome.

But I am glad to see that the system of appeal from the school's decision, through the central office...works. If the family disagrees with the superintendent, then they may go to the board of trustees. Good Luck to them. I am glad this discussion is much more lively then the peanut butter thread.

Congrats HISD, I hope they get the message out. More people will choose to live close to their jobs.

TJONES, I have two children in KISD. I went to KISD schools from kindergarten thru high school, so did my wife, second generation Katy resident.

Do you know the students "background"? This a very good expample of why I wish KISD had ZERO TOLERANCE! Then everyone would be punished the same, but since there is not ZERO TOLERANCE in KISD, the punishment is molded based on the student.

Sorry there where other people involved. Sorry there was other graffitti that she did not write. Does that mean that she should not be punished? Its like speeding, not everyone gets caught. The punishments for students are not the same, because parents have "complained" that punishment should be based on the individual, not the act. That is what has happened. I am sure "Alex" is an upstanding young man, hopefully she will not destroy public property again.

Yeah, but they pull from the back of Acres Home and that entire area was at Carver at one time before going to Klein before Klein Forest was built...obviously they drew that odd alignment for desegragation purposes..I doubt the Klein in the 1920s and 1950s pulled way out there

if you walk 1 block from Eisenhower High School, your bussed miles away to Klein Forest...makes no sense

That's the area of the former North Houston Common School District, which Aldine, Cypress, Fairbanks and Klein split. All of that was done prior desegregation, so racial issues were not an issue...it was seperate.

It is crazy how the lines are drawn, look at the Spring ISD map...BUT that is how things worked out when the little ol' common school of Westlake, choose to consolidate with little ol' Spring, instead of Aldine. In the 1940's Fairbanks ISD debated if they wanted to join with Houston ISD or Cypress (just barely choose Cypress). That is why Cypress-Fairbanks, extends as far as it does into the Houston city limits.

KATY, Texas - Writing "I love Alex" on a school gymnasium wall brought a 12-year-old the same punishment as if she had made terrorist threats.

The Katy Independent School District rated the message, written with a baby blue marker by sixth-grader Shelby Sendelbach, as a Level 4 infraction _ the same as for threats, drug possession and assault.

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/west...ticleid=1010088

I bet she will not deface school property with permanent ink again. Use to it was a big deal to destroy other people's property, I hope Katy ISD sticks with it. This is why KISD is a better school district, than others. Bet HISD or North Forest ISD does not have this type of punishment, that would be why their schools look like they do.

Any idea where the two new HS in this bond are proposed at? I know the district owns a large piece of land on FM 529 at Freeman Road (dont know where this is, thought that was the same road).

has any mention been made (outside of racial purposes) as to why Klein's southern boundaries snake into Houston in the middle of two districts?

Klein ISD boundaries were formed in 1928. The "odd" district lines, have more to do with the school district being formed from consolidating small common schools that served local surrounding areas. Infact Klein was one of the first independent school districts in Harris County, seperate from an elected county school superintendent that headed common schools.

Klein's boundaries were not in Houston or in the middle of two districts when it was created...Houston was no where near Klein and Cy-Fair and Aldine ISD where not created at the time.

Yeah. I dont think so, but know if that is here. Regarding the reply, I dont think the outlined improvements will do much, other than allow better flow of traffic onto the freeway (which the freeway is the problem). TXDOT when I called, said it all relates to the West Loop's capacity.