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  1. Luminare, I'm sorry, but you're saying you work in the real estate industry or oil industry? If it's the real estate industry, what swtsig is saying is very consistent with what everyone in the CRE industry is worried about right now.. if not publicly, internally they are. CBRE released a (internal?) report literally today (12/11/2014 now) how they have a positive view of the United States real estate market as a whole (lower oil prices = more consumer spending, possibly increased spending on buying homes and on renovations); however, Houston is now one of the very dark spots. Doesn't matter if oil prices recover shortly... this drop has spooked many investors. 2015 is going to be a tough year. We'll have all these continued construction projects, but don't expect much newer development to materialize. It's a hard truth to shallow... your remarks are very similar to the same comments I saw in this forum in early September 2008 and, during that time, I doubted all the naysayers. I don't think it will be that dramatic at all but a slowdown is absolutely in our midst. Though this project is beautiful, it probably won't make it through. But here's hoping for the best!  :)

     

    Thanks for the heads up on the release of the CBRE report Triton but I'm with Luminare on this one. I used to enjoy swtsig's posts because it was obvious that he/she worked in the CRE industry and was somewhat knowledgable of market conditions. However throughout this tremendous boom of the last couple of years, swtsig has repeatedly been 'negative nancy' more often than not. He comes across as someone too busy looking for signs of a bust to even enjoy the boom.

     

    This is but one example earlier this year that he alluded to a major tenant/potential tenant abandoning space in the Samsung/Briarlake building in Westchase that he has yet to ever follow-up on with who he was referring to:

     

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    Posted Sunday, February 9, 2014 at 8:13 PM

    brijonmang, on 08 Feb 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:snapback.png

    Is this the Westchase project you alluded to as losing a major tenant in that west Houston core thread?

    Negative. 

     

     

    Maybe swtsig's career involves looking for signs of a slow down to insure that his employer is never surprised or caught off guard holding depressed real estate, but I have to take most of his doom and gloom comments with a grain a salt considering even in the best of times, he's overly cautious.

     

    As for all the hoopla over oil price declines right now, I am concerned because Houston still runs on oil, but not overly concerned because its mostly self inflicted from the oil industry itself - a simple Saudi vs U.S. price war to maintain market share.

     

    It's reassuring to remember that Houston still grew at a good clip from 2004-2008 when oil prices hoovered in the $50-$60 range and even more recently when natural gas prices have experienced historic lows. It's also important to remember that lower oil/natural gas prices will be a boon to many of the chemical projects that are set to start soon along the gulf coast that will employ thousands. Additionally, after a few years of moderate growth, the Texas Medical Center is set to start some significant projects.

     

    Regarding oil specifically, if prices get low enough somebody will blink and cut production to stabilize prices. Sure there will be a slow down and some projects curtailed, but lets wait for those shoes to drop. I'll remain optimistic that even in slower growth times there will be a flight to quality and the best projects (ie. those around Upper Kirby, Downtown, Uptown, River Oaks District, City Centre, The Woodlands, and Sugarland) will still proceed in phases.

     

    Apologies for the long post..., just my 2 cents.

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  2. Looking at it this morning, it's definitely a parking lot. The black panels they were putting in had a bunch of holes in them, and they had workers last night go out and put red buttons in the holes in the shape of parking spaces. I'm not going to be home until much later today, so no pictures, but it is definitely a temporary parking lot they are building. My guess would be that it's for the Uptown Lighting.

    Here's a picture of the panels. I wasn't able to get any of the buttons they were putting in, but they looked like red versions of the yellow ones in the middle of the road:

     

     

    I spoke to the on-site project manager this past Sunday regarding the site work.  He stated this blacktop is temporary parking that will be used for overflow parking for Whole Foods' grand opening "for only a couple of months".

     

    He explained the holes in the black padding allows rain water to soak into the ground without any additional run-off and can be easily removed.  This eliminates the need for temporarily building a small retention pond for run-off. 

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  3. so Midway beat the developers of Memorial City out at getting the first(?) residential high-rise out west? if i were the Memorial City developers i would be clamoring at Novare to come build a SkyHouse Buckhead replica in MC, pronto.

     

    Well remember this is only Midway's proposal so far.  The old office buildings will first need to be vacated and demolished so Midway has not beat anybody just yet.

  4. I think they are going to keep the hotel and this would be behind, replacing the office building(s)

     

    Yes, it has to be replacing the outdated office buildings. I was trying to figure out the orientation of the new rendering. This is exciting news and just further confirms the success of City Centre. 

     

    I wonder what total development costs would be if the full project was all announced at once back in 2009. I remember it initially being listed as a $500 million project however with the recent and upcoming additions this has to be approaching (or even surpassing) $1 billion.

  5. It's hard to see on the picture,but the railings look really cheap in person, very flimsy.

    The vertical supports don't even line up with joints in the panels...

     

    I'm not a fan of the railings mainly because I think they will partially block the view as you're sitting down in your apartment.., but I do agree they look like thin flimsy perforated sheet metal.  

     

    Also, still not sure about the paint color they decided for the facade.  Withholding final judgement until I see the finished product with the glass skirt around the first few floors and all of the blue plastic removed. Maybe the sun will reflect the balcony railings and give the tower a unique look..., we'll see. 

  6. I talked to a supervisor a while back and he said the wings on top would be facing to the west, those pics don't make sense with the garage on the east side of the project, something seems fishy. 

     

    edit: I think the light rail might have thrown me off, I assumed it was the existing line but it may actually be the new line on Texas.

     

    Yes the rendering shows the view on Capitol looking east towards the GRB.  This view will not be as visible since the rendering conveniently removed the smaller Chase Tower garage.

  7. What's different about this rendering? I like this building because of it's dominance, not it's architecture marvel. I personally like the north/south front of the building better than I do the spine----which seems to be the only rendering anybody is proud of.

     

    Hey Woodlands guy, I think many of us were commenting on Triton's pics and not necessarily the rendering - granted this rendering shows a thinly illuminated spine and crown that I don't think I've seen before.

     

    Personally I was excited about the picture from Chase Tower showing all the lots being transformed from Main all the way to 59.  Although there's minimal ground floor retail, that area of downtown will truly be a mix of uses by 2017 with hotels, offices, residential, and even the HSPVA school coming onboard.

     

    Check it out - any building in Houston other than a glass box with a flat roof is an 'architectural marvel' (I-10 Memorial Herman not withstanding). 

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  8. Last time I checked, even the apartment rents were neck and neck. ITL rents are the fast growing just like the rents inside the perimeter in Atlanta. Several COL calculators say that housing is cheaper in Houston. I guess where one fails, the other one succeeds.

     

    And I wasn't speaking of COL calculators but rather how it feels to me first-hand.  Having moved from Atlanta earlier this year I would call newer apartment complexes in Houston to inquire about pricing and would have extreme sticker shock based on comparable units in Atlanta.  I remember looking at my iphone just to make sure I had dialed 713 area code instead of 714 (L.A./Orange County area) by mistake.  :(

     

    I think 'most' of the brand new apartment rental prices are comparable in both cities but I have seen some  ridiculous prices in high end high rise buildings in Houston that I've yet to start seeing in Atlanta (i.e. One Park Place, 2929 Weslayan). Also, many close-in complexes built between 2004-2008 are much more expensive in Houston based on my experience.  You could still find some good deals in Atlanta on newer (not brand new) apartments but not so much in Houston.

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  9. It's weird, when I moved to Atlanta back in 2004 rents and home prices where noticeably more expensive than Houston (median home prices of $180K in ATL compared to Houston's $140K - but the collapse of 2008-2012 really hit Atlanta hard with lots of foreclosures decimating median home prices.  The two cities have essentially traded places over the last 10 years.

     

    Developers started to build homes/apartments again in Atlanta in 2013 but nothing on the level of what Houston is doing. Funny, I used to come back and visit Houston between 2004-2007 and think that the city had some projects going up but not on the scale of what Atlanta was doing at the time, now its the exact opposite.

     

    Friends in Atlanta see projects (i.e. 3 SkyHouses) starting again and are saying the city is on fire right now because there was such a lull for 5+ years, but really things are relatively slow in comparison to historical standards. For years Atlanta would average 60-70K residential building permits (including multifamily) and this year they will do about 20-25K while Houston will more than double that.

     

    Basically - Houston experienced one year of 'all out' recession (2009) while it really lasted four years in Atlanta (2008-2011)

     

     

  10. Apartment Towers like this with extreme luxuries, amenities, views, and matching rates are nothing new in Sunbelt cities. It is new to Houston in such high numbers.

    One Park Place shows how well this works right now in this well paying economy. The rates for some of the wrap around 4-7 story apartments are not far behind these apartment skyscrapers. Why not pay a little more for a million dollar view? You'd be paying double for a mortgage in a condo the same size that is more than likely going to have a dated interior.

     

    I've lived in NYC, DC, and Atlanta so I'm well aware that expensive high rise apartments are nothing new. Sure - One Park Place has little competition and they're able to command these rents "right now" - my point was that these $4,000 - $12,000 monthly rents in Houston are not sustainable, especially once more come online or God forbid, the economy hits a snag.

     

    I still own a new'ish 29th floor condo in Atlanta and I'm renting it out for less than some of the newer apartments that have been built there. The mortgage, HOA fees etc. still come in a lot less than some these rents they are charging - so you're not paying double but actually less to own (of course this depends on equity/down payment).

     

    Houston's rental prices will balance out based on supply/demand and once that happens $4000 rents will come down - at that point, many of these ultra luxury high rise owners will consider condo conversions to cash out, which I believe is their intention all along (again, just my theory, I could be wrong).

  11. I've said this before but Novare has traditionally been a condo developer and I believe their business plan is to convert these rental units into condos once that market recovers.  The fact that they are building Skyhouses like crazy and have yet to sell any of those buildings to other REITs further supports my theory.

     

    For the past couple of years capital has been flowing towards apartment construction based on fundamentals, however this will change in the coming years. Smart move by companies such as Novare if you ask me - build whatever the capital markets will finance.

     

    I clearly expect quite a few other higher end apartment buildings to convert to condos in the not-to-distant future (i.e. 2929 Wesleyan, Hanover Post Oak).  The rents these buildings are going after are simply not sustainable. 2929 Wesleyan rents will supposedly average more than $4000/unit - that's ridiculous.

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  12. This rendering of the "evening gown" base is probably the most accurate.  If you look closely, you'll see the cladding of the 5th floor balcony is a different material than the glass on the 1st-4th floors. The material is in fact aluminum which could appear white depending on the lighting.

     

    If the sun hits this building just right, it may give a shiny metal clad look rather than glass.

     

    updated renderings from Culturemap:

    signature restaurant that will occupy part of the 12,500 square feet of retail space on the bottom floor will be his or her kitchen. Nail wants it to be upscale enough for special occasions, but casual enough that residents can eat there every day. Catering will be available for room service and pool deck delivery.

    The remaining retail space will be occupied by amenities that will benefit the residents, like a day spa and a dry cleaner, set off by a 20-foot high wall fountain in the lobby.

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    the distinctive facade was "inspired by a flowing evening gown,"

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  13. Disappointment alert!  The balcony rails will not be clad in glass but rather with a material very similar to the Dynamo Stadium aluminum facade. Took pictures of the 5th floor railing being installed today with my iphone but I can't seem to post them. 

     

    I can't say the renderings were deceptive because upon a second detailed look its been this material all along, I just assumed it was all glass. For me, this changes the whole look of the building. :(

  14. This.

    It can become similar to how majority of the people in and out of Houston call Uptown "the Galleria area". A massive (world class) mall basically went and defined an entire area (unfairly IMO). I've already started thinking of the part of Uptown inside the Loop as a different animal than the part outside the Loop. It's ironic that right after you cross the freeway, the roads instantly become wider and everything instantly becomes more suburbanized.

    Calling the area River Oaks District would be an incredible opportunity for this area to market itself independently.

     

    I agree this Mid Lane/Westcreek area will take on the name of it's most prominent destination - which will most likely end up being the River Oaks District.  Highland Village will always be considered a rather nice shopping center on the other side of the tracks.  I've actually never heard anyone say "the Highland Village area".

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