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What's the address of that house? Approximate if you don't know the exact number. Or how far from the nearest intersection of what and what? Just curious.

1029 Kirby would be the address

I compared it with a KeyMap, and it appears that that cluster of black rectangles in the lower center of the map (which I assume are the barracks) would cover the present day streets of Terrace, East Cowan, and West Cowan, which are just to the north of Memorial Dr. and just outside of the present day park. So it would seem that the barracks of Camp Logan were not actually in Memorial Park.

The area around W. Cowen, E. Cowen, and Crestwood was the location of the Army Base hospital.

It was often like a 3 ring circus, with all the secrecy involved. The book also included the details of the last

trip to Houston. He was so far gone at that point, he probably didn't even know he was in a jet..

Most seem to think it was about 1960 when he started getting really weird.. The TWA thing he had went through

evidentally put of a lot of strain on him, and something snapped a bit, and he turned reclusive..

But anyway, he did quite a few things in his life to earn his way into the history books. Just the aviation stuff

was pretty notable. And I think thats where his heart really was until the end. He sat in his bed, and dreamed

of flying airplanes, etc.. And like I say, sometimes he acted on the impulses, even though it was a major ordeal

for him to do so. But he had so many "yes men" around him, he could pull it off.

That's the kind of weird stuff I was talking about. All I ever heard was that he was an old, old man holed up in a big mansion until he finally kicked the bucket.

I never knew he was being investigated by the FBI.

Where did the FBI comment from from? That sounds strange to me seeing how Mr. Hughes was in bed with the CIA on the Glomar Explorer project to raise the sunken Russian submarine.

In 1913, while he was brewmaster at the Houston Ice and Brewing Company, Belgian-Houstonian Frantz Brogniez was awarded Grand Prize at the last International Conference of Breweries for his Southern Select beer - beating out 4,096 competing brewers. Brogniez left Houston during Prohibition, but Hughes convinced him to return to serve as brewmaster for the Gulf Brewing Company. Brogniez

OK, so who is Norman Baxter? His name is very familiar.

When I worked for Gulf Oil in the reproduction department, I got a poster-size copy of a drawing of downtown similar to the style of the old phone book drawings. Although the styles were strikingly similar, I do remember that my drawing was done by a different artist.

Norman Baxter picked up the phone book duties when the other artist stopped:

"In 1983 the University of Houston campus was featured on the cover of the Southwestern Bell Telephone Yellow Pages. Illustrated by artist Norman Baxter, founding partner of Houston advertising firm Baxter & Korge, the cover is a realistic drawing of campus dotted with whimsical vignettes. There

It's not that unnoticeable and it's easy to find if you know where to look. It used to have more distinguishing features (metal ornamentation), but someone removed that to discourage too many visitors:

I found it interesting that the soldier who took all those photos mentioned, in one of his letters home, catching horned toads in the Memorial Park area. We used to find horned toads when we went dewberry picking in SW Houston in the 60s. I wonder when horned toads disappeared from the Houston area and where is their closest habitant now.

the one i saw at the Guild said karl hoefle.

the article I found said the following...

In my estimation, the most interesting cover illustrations are the Houston and Dallas yellow page covers drawn by Karl Hoefle for a number of years. They always show huge, minutely detailed views of the city from different angles, in line drawings on a yellow background. Because they're so detailed, the artist scatters whimsical little anomalies throughout.

Yes...you are right...I must have received some bad information.

EE susan...like this perhaps? oh and his name is Karl Hoefle

and this.

Actually...his name was Norman Baxter

When the present day Memorial Drive was built, it was constructed more as a dam than a bridge. This cut off many of the tributaries that you see in the earlier maps. Some of the tributaries were filled in, and others were used for drainage, with culverts going under Memorial to drain into the bayou. One of the most noticable is on the grounds of Park Memorial Condominiums, where Memorial Drive is several feet higher than the former creek on the north side of the road. I used to live in a building that sat on the hill of this former creek. During Allison, Buffalo Bayou flooded across Memorial and reclaimed the creekbed, rising up the hill until it flooded the unit below mine with 8 inches of water. I t also flooded Bayou On The Bend Apartments on the other side of Memorial into the second floor. This was its last flood. They were later demolished, to be replaced by the new much more flood resistant structure.

People forget where the water courses used to be with all of the filled in gullies, but when something like Allison happens, the water remembers. Troon Road in River Oaks was originally a deep gully that was landscaped and paved. I imagine Tiel Way was too. I know the houses on Tiel Way flooded during Allison, but I don't know about Troon.

Here is a topo map of the same area a few years later:

The track location looks pretty close.

The Washington Road used to cross Eureka Junction at street level until the 1930s when they added the underpass. That crossing behind the guy on the tracks is Eureka Junction crossing before the underpass was built. The photo I took shows the same scene, but a track has been added and the place where those warning barricades are in the old photo, are now the top of the bridge of the RR tracks over the underpass. The track on the right is the old Houston & Texas Central (Southern Pacific) which runs along 290. The track on the left, I think, is the MKT track and wasn't added until the turn of the century. That is the link to Stella, or the Stella cutoff, or the Stella Link which runs through Memorial Park. This would be the area marked Eureka Pines on the Camp Logan map. Here is another view of the same location from an automobile's perspective:

Over the past few years of internet collecting, I've scrounged up quite a few

pictures of Camp Logan. I haven't seen much listed on it, so I thought I would

throw a few on. Here are 15 of them.. I also have a detailed map of the camp

that was drawn by a map maker soldier who was there.

The writing you see on the pictures is backwards, but the image itself is

the right way. It's only the writing that is backwards.

Sorry if these dupe any others might have already posted..

I get these from various sites.. Many came from the library of congress,

but some came from other sites.

I've got more, but I don't want to bog you all down at one time..

I'm on cable now, so pretty zippy, but I realize it can take a while

for a dial up to load the page.. So I better not get too carried away..

MK

Here is a "Then and Now" photo of the area where the soldier is lying on the RR tracks:

I don't know if anyone still reads this, but I will give it a shot. I am not old enough to remember playland park, or most of these places, but I do know about the kiddie park with the "tired old ponies" that was over by Braeswood.

Kiddie Wonderland was off S. Main and Kirby. I think the actual location was 7800 S. Main, if my memory is correct. In the 80's and early 90's there was a carousel, a train that went around the park, a boat ride, airplane ride, car ride (had all the bases covered), a petting zoo, and the ring on the side for the ponies, who were actually more ornery than tired. There was also one donkey named Jack who pulled a wagon. My favorite horse was Tippy, a brown and white shetland pony who always refused to trot. In about 1989, the carousel got smaller. This is because they sold the one they had to the Texas Renaissance Festival. TRF still uses this carousel, though the horses have been replaced. Kiddie Wonderland had this cute multicolored wooden fence around the front and a little shack where you bought tickets for the rides. Often, 2 adorable little girls could be seen "working" the ticket booth. That place held great memories for me.

If anyone is looking for pictures of the place, I have some. I would have to scan them in because they are in a photo album right now, but I can do so easily. Just send me a note and let me know.

I think there are many here that would love to see your photos of Kiddie Wonderland

Here is an article from 1951 on the old Brookline School. I wonder how hard it would be to remove the stuco from the Brookline and Cage Schools and take them back down to red brick:

LOLL no he didn't set them by hand. They were called "pin-spotters", and they used a big triangular shaped rack with holes big enough for the pins. The rack was lowered to the floor, and the holes would widen just enough to leave the pins standing when the rack was raised out of sight.

Most alleys had two sets of pins for each lane, which allowed the spotter to stay a little ahead of the game. He had one set in the rack ready to put down as soon as the other set was knocked over and he could clear them out of the way and rack them up. Today's automatic pin-spotting machinery still does it the same way. A fresh set of pins comes down instantly after the first set is cleared. The machinery then sorts the downed pins and slides them upright into the rack to get ready to go down again.

On a busy night the pin-spotters of old worked their butts off, and yes they also had to roll the ball back to the bowler. That was usually done first, followed by resetting the pins. Depending on how fast the pin-spotters could do their thing, games could move right along almost as fast as they do today. You could always tell when the spotters were getting tired though. The games really slowed down.

Filio described it just as my father did, but it was a dangerous job. You had to stand up on a ledge above the pins and, of course, pins went flying and could hit you. Sometimes they splintered and sometimes the jerks bowling would roll the ball while you were still setting the pins

Here is an article on the Milby Mansion. I think this thread is discussing two different mansions. The Milby mansion was on Elm and Broadway and was demolished in 1959. I don't know what the name of this other mansion on Old Galveston was or it's history, but I would like too. I would like to see some photos of that one too.

Can we get a do-over on the Milby House demolition?

Here is another shot of the Milby house:

When my dad was growning up one of his first jobs was as a pinsetter in a bowling alley before they had the automatic pin setters.

I think the Palace Bowling Lanes either are or were owned by the Houston Turnverein. Can someone verify this?

Here is my working list of restaurants and clubs:

Famous Chicken House - Telephone Road

Old Munich Inn - Telephone Road

Old Hickory Stick - Telephone Road

Old Mexico - Gray

Foote's Cafeteria - in Bellaire

Galli Spaghetti House - Telephone Road

Mr. Sirloin - Telephone at 610

Liberty Hall - Red Beans and Rice

Valian's - both the restaurant on Main and the pizza place on Shepherd

Big Humprey's Pizza - Belfort

Italian Beef House - Telephone under the Coca Cola sign

Samperi's - Telephone Road

Ray Hay's Broiler Burger - Telephone at Dumble

Leo's Mexican - 2203 S. Shepherd

The Whistle Stop Bar-b-que - Old Galveston Road

The Cellar Door Bar-b-que - two locations

Cardet's Cafe (Cuban) - 1927 Fairview

The Hoagie Shop - 3507 S. Shepherd

Zorba's - 202 Tuam

Alfred's - On Rice and Stella Link

Marini's Empanda House - Westheimer

Swiss Haus - In the Village

The Village Cheese Shop - In the Village

Captain Benny's - in the boat at Greenbriar and Main

Sonny Look's - on Main

The Hobbit Hole - 1715 S. Shepherd

St. Michel - 2150 Richmond

Prufrock's Tavern - 423 Westheimer

Joseph's Wine Shop - 1408 Westheimer

The Chicago Pizza Company - 4100 Mandell

Chaucer's - 5020 Montrose

Cody's (really a jazz club) - 3400 Montrose

Mrs. Me's Cafe - Dunlavy at Indiana

La Bodega - 2402 Mandell

Weinerschnitzel - Westheimer at Commonwealth

Spud-U-Like - 416 Westheimer

Butera's - 5019 Montrose and the Grocery Store on Bissonet

Matt Garner's Bar-b-que - Gray (Good as it ever was)

Las Brisas - 614 W. Gray

Captain John's - W. Gray at Woodhead

Gantry's - 1658 Westheimer (now Marks)

The Wine Press - W. Gray

Renu's - 1230 Westheimer

Mana Eleni - 1115 Missouri

U.S. Bar & Grill - 1220 Taft

Quasimodo's Sanctuary - 1985 Welch (now Mockingbird)

Metropol - 1007 Waugh

Missouri Street Cafe - 1117 Missouri

River Cafe - 3615 Montrose

Albritton's Cafeteria - Waugh

Glatzmaier's - Old Market Square

Landry's Seafood - 2912 S. Shepherd

The Stables - S. Main at Greenbriar

I miss Real Records, which was located in the strip center on Shepherd where the Hot Bagel Shop is now and was run by Really Red's U-Ron. I used to haunt used record stores in my youth, and thought I'd hit the gold mine the first time I went to Real Records. Got a dead mint pressing of the Velvet Underground's first album there for ten bucks!

That record store started at the corner of Greenbriar and Bissonet next to Alter-Alley (clothing alterations). Here is my one good Ronnie Bond story. I was in his record store one day, and since I was a regular, and we had talked about Bruce Springsteen at Liberty Hall, he told me that Bruce Springsteen tickets were going to go on sale the next day at Foley's downtown at 10:00 am. I asked how this could be true as I had heard nothing about it on the radio or in print. He said he got the information from a reliable source.

Well, the next day I show up at Foley's at 9:45 to wait at the door, and the only other person there was Ronnie. I told him he must have gotten some bad information, because there was no way only two people would know about such a big event. I could tell he was beginning to have his doubts too, but since we were already there, we waited until 10:00. As soon as the doors opened we went upstairs to the ticket booth. I walked up to the window and said "Do you have Bruce Springsteen tickets for sale" and the clerk replied "Yep, we sure do". I then asked which tickets they had left and was told that I could sit anywhere I wanted, I was the first customer. I bought 4 tickets on the first row center isle. The show was at the Coliseum. At one point in the concert Bruce jumped into the audience and stood on my chair for a minute or so playing Thunder Road. He always put on a great show.

There is a video of Really Red playing at the Isand on YouTube

This is from a Texas Montly article on Montrose. I think this photo was meant to capture the diversity found in the neighborhood at that time

You win the award! I don't know of anyone that knew of The Island on Main street. Boggles the mind.

As I suredid mentioned, I too was somewhat more of a New Waver when we didnt even know what it was.

and being from the East End of town we really stood out! Plenty of stares from old timers.

I was thinking of listing several clubs ie: Discos and New Wave Clubs later but what the heck. here they are by year 1978 to 1990ish

Lord Jim's Disco

Rocky's Disco - Downtown (got into both of these underage)

Why Not? Disco

Rich's (still going strong)

Confetti's - (big time New Wave Club) Used to have contests for best pop singing celebrities ie; Madonna, Moon Unit Zappa as a Valley Girl, Hall & Oats, Adam Ant, Peewee Herman? etc.

Cardi's

The Ocean Club - Another very futuristic layout. Like being inside a Star Wars spaceship. Not seen any other since. Had big rotating lights machine hovering above dance floor. Would tilt and move as party raged below & above! Real Bladerunner.

City Streets

Yucatan Liquor Stand - (major wild outdoor cabana club) Bus would drive around town picking up partiers and take back to club for more partying (couldnt get away with that these days).

to name a few.

Note what made these places even more popular was the innovation of nightclubs at the time. Many were heavily influenced by the party scenes from Ferris Bueller's Day Off and especially the multiple TV monitors in Less Than Zero with our hero Robert Downey Jr.

PS, I'm glad I saved many items from that fun era and working in a record shop helped tremendously. Have all original posters Billy Idol, The Fixx, Siouxie & Banshees, Oingo Boingo, Bow Wow Wow, etc.

Best part is I managed to keep my good looks (and modesty) after all these years. Its in the blood I guess.

I would add The Metropol to that list of dance places