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  1. According to Wikipedia, when Oak Forest subdivision was first developed by Frank Sharp in 1946-1947, it was in the Aldine ISD. The transition period from AISD to HISD is fairly vague.

    From Wiki:

    "When it was first established, Oak Forest was a golf course and a part of the Aldine Independent School District. The land was ceded to Houston ISD. The original Oak Forest Elementary was built in 1951,"

    Aldine had to cede Oak Forest to HISD when the city of Houston annexed the area. Apparently, at the time, there was a law or rule that said all the land in the city had to be HISD. Obviously that rule is no longer in effect. It must have gone away sometime in the 1960s, because Aldine didn't have to give Acres Homes to HISD when Houston annexed that neighborhood.

  2. Thanks, Firebird65. I would go there in the 80s with my parents to buy school supplies. Honestly, I would be totally shocked if it were still open - it was always dead even back in the 80s. I hope it is, but would be shocked. This topic also made me think about Dow Park in Northline Terrace. I have many fond memories of that park...played softball there for years

    Yeah I played and coached baseball at Dow Park. My biggest Little League memory is hitting a foul ball in the last game of the 1974 pee wee season for my only contact of the year. I wasn't very good, to put it mildly.

    Allen Office Supply always seemed dead to me too. Another place that you never had to worry about waiting in line was right down the street at the Gulf Bank Auto Supply (now long gone). There was never anyone in there.

    Good to see this thread has been resurrected. Hopefully some more folks will post here.

    What other businesses do you remember? Do you remember Springer Oil at Gulf Bank and I-45 (now underneath that Mobil station)? I always wondered what that place was. I never saw anyone in there either, but they had this big, nasty dog out front that was never chained up and would chase you if you came walking or riding a bike past the place. He'd even run across Gulf Bank. One day I threw a glass bottle in front of him (not to hurt him, but to scare him) and when that bottle busted, he yelped and ran off. He never bothered me again! LOL!

  3. Does anyone remember the name of that office supply company near the corner of Gulf Bank and Sweetwater? Is it still open? I remember it was like stepping back in time!

    That's Allen Office Supply and Printing. It's been at a few different locations in the area before settling in that spot in about 1972.

    Not sure if it's still in business, but they are listed on CitySearch, so they probably are. I image that business is between 40 and 45 years old. A pretty good run.

  4. I had totaly forgotten about this store. Your right the store did have the worst smell. A strange amalgom of oders. I remember the sign too lol.

    My dad and uncle worked on the remodeling of the Krogers. My dad was the Superenintendant and my uncle was the carpenter foreman. Made for a quick commute...about 5 minutes but then my dad drove pretty slow. My mom shopped some at Krogers and Piggly Wiggly but she was more partial to Floreens, wich IIRC was up on airline. When I was in HS I worked at the Randall's.

    Wow! Haven't had a post here in sometime!

    I have found out more about the Fairview market. It took the place of another, older store that also stood on that site in the 1940s. It was called the Airline Food Store.

    There was a lot going on at that site, as the 9000 block of Airline (at Gulf Bank) was also the home to the original Windswept Inn restaurant (next door at 9010, where a snowcone place is today) and the Ranch Court Motel (9020).

    I am looking at a 1957 aerial photo of the area and I can clearly see the grocery store and restaurant, although the motel looks pretty small. The grocery store itself is also much smaller. I'm toggling back and forth between 1957 and 1973 and it appears the structure that's there today wasn't built until the late 1960s or early 1970s. The Memorial Baptist Church across the street is actually not at the corner as it is today, but a little further to the north on their property. That big steeple is not around in 1957. Wish I could post the photo, but the mods of this site get squeemish when you post copyrighted images. But you can find it for yourself at historicaerials.com.

  5. The POTD was just posted and aldinefootball has already deleted it from his photo stream? Not cool, aldinefootball.

    I'm the HAIF photo group member known as aldinefootball. Oops! Sorry 'bout that. There was some kind of problem with my photostream and I had to delete and reload everything after submitting that photo for POD. Guess I forgot to re-add it. I've done that now.

    Here's the pic.

    34et077.jpg

  6. Is the Kathryn Smith School the one Mangum?

    Yes, that's the one. Oak Forest was originally part of Aldine ISD. The initial boundaries of the district were much different when the it was created in 1935. The southwestern portion of the district ended around somewhere between the intersection of West Mount Houston and Veterans Memorial and where State Highway 249 curves to the north. The area west of that was part of the now-defunct North Houston school district. The area south of that was part of the White Oak district, which included today's Oak Forest.

    From what I've been able to find out, AISD split White Oak with HISD in 1937. That's how Acres Homes and Carver High became part of AISD. AISD split North Houston with Klein and Cy-Fair apparently around 1949. If you've ever looked at a map of Klein ISD, you'll notice a long, skinny finger of land extending south from Klein down towards Acres Homes. That's how Klein got that - from the dissolution of North Houston.

    In the late 1950s, the city of Houston annexed Oak Forest and Kathryn Smith Elementary. Apparently, there was some kind of law at that time that said anything in the city had to be part of HISD, so AISD had to cede Oak Forest and Kathryn Smith Elementary to HISD. That law must have been recinded a few years later because I've seen articles from the time Acres Homes was annexed in the 1960s or 1970s that said AISD would not be forced to cede that area.

  7. There's a white building with "Marrs" written on it right on the corner of Aldine-Westfield and Aldine-Bender (FM 525). If the Marrs High school burned to the ground, then what was this building?

    The Aldine ISD's infatuation with the name Marrs can be really confusing. There were not one, but two schools with the name Marrs, believe it or not, and both existed at the same time.

    The white building at the corner of Aldine Westfield and Aldine Bender you are referring to was not the original Aldine High School, but a separate school built earlier, in 1932, before Aldine ISD was even created. Today it is known as the Lane Center, but when built, it was called the Marrs School. According to AISD's own history it was the first brick school in the district and was built when voters passed a bond issue for its construction. Presumably, the Marrs School was CSD 29's (the predecessor to Aldine ISD) sole school for whites, as the Brubaker school had closed around this time and maybe Westfield and Higgs, too. I do not know if it housed all grades, from elementary to secondary. CSD's original high school was Hartwell, located near Westfield. I do not know Hartwell's years of existence.

    Marrs High opened in September 1936 down the street and was a totally seperate school. It was on the site of today's Aldine Middle School, but Aldine Middle School was never Marrs High, having been built after Marrs High burned down. However there are some old buildings (maintenance and support buildings) on the Aldine Middle School campus that do appear date from the Marrs High era and the soccer field behind the school was the site of the Marrs High football stadium.

    A story in the September 10, 1936, Houston Chronicle about the opening of Marrs High also clearly states there are two Marrs schools, one an elementary/junior high and the other being the high school. J.E. Barden is mentioned as the first principal of Marrs High and S.F. Fenner is listed as the district's first superintendent. I believe the article also mentions the principal of the Marrs School as well, along with the number of students enrolled in each, but it's been awhile since I've seen the article. I might be going to the library next week. I'll get that article and repost some of it here, if anyone is interested.

    I guess the Marrs School was replaced by the original Aldine Elementary.

    BTW... I do note with some interest the quotes from wikipedia in a later post on this thread. I can't help but notice that the wording in the wikipedia article is word for word from my Aldine High area history report. I don't really mind so much, as I do give away the report to anyone who asks. But c'mon... if someone is going to copy directly from my report, professional courtesy at least calls for giving credit where credit is due.

  8. Not positive but I think this mall started life as a Deauxville Mall. There is a thread here about it.

    No, the Armadillo Mall was never the Deauville Mall. That was on Cypresswood near where the old blimp base was. I'm not sure what the Armadillo Mall originally was, but I don't think it was originally a Garden Ridge. I believe that came later, like around 1990 or so. I think it was originally some kind of mall, too, just not the Deauville Mall. But like the Deauville Mall, it didn't last long at all, going bellyup in the mid 1980s oil bust.

    I know I went into both places when I went to North Harris County College, but they were so unimpressive that as you can tell, they didn't leave much of a memory. LOL!

  9. I drove up to visit my parents in Champion Forest this weekend, and I guess all my visits to this website had me in the frame of mind to think about what the Willowbrook area was like before the mall was built.

    I don't know exactly when Willowbrook Mall was built, but I seem to remember going out to that area as a little kid in the early 1980s before the mall was built.

    As I remember it, most of that part of FM 1960 was just dense, undeveloped pine forest. I remember going to Champions Village, as there was a children's shoe store there where my mom liked to buy us shoes. I also remember there being a small two or three screen movie theater there, where I saw a Disney movie or two.

    I also remember further east, at Champion Forest Drive and 1960, there was the shopping center with the Randalls in it, but not too much else, and it felt like it was in the forest there. That Randall's used to have a great little cafe upstairs on a balcony overlooking the store. Later that Randall's became one of the first Flagship stores on the north side of town. The shopping center the Randall's was in used to have a Wilson's or a Best, something like that. These were two store chains that were very similar, and one of them later became Service Merchandise. They sold electronics, other housewares, records and tapes, watches and jewelry, and even some toys.

    I'm pretty confident Willowbrook opened in 1982, although I don't know the exact month. A 1981 aerial photo from historicaerials.com shows the mall, but it looks like it's under construction.

    As for the shoe store, I believe you are talking about The Shoe Box. I got dragged there and to their other location many a time as a kid. I grew up at I-45 and W. Mt Houston, and that's about a 10-mile trip, but as the area wasn't nearly as developed, it wasn't that hard a drive. About a 15-20 minute ride up the then-FM 149 and Cutten Road. There were no lights... unlike today!

    I also saw Jaws at the Champions movie theatre, second R-rated movie I ever saw, behind Rollerball just a few weeks before.

    You are right about most of FM 1960 being nothing but woods. Our next-door neighbor moved in the early 1970s to Welcome Lane. Totally out in the country back then. It didn't take long for that to change.

  10. Walgreens has been around Houston a LOT longer than that; there was one on Long Point near my grandmother's old house that had been there since at least the 50s. You're thinking of the one in the Randall's center by Aldine, which opened around 1975.

    Yeah, I guess maybe I was. But that particular store wasn't originally a Walgreens... it was a Sage's Drug Store. It became Walgreens around 1981.

  11. Old Navy was the Rusty Pelican, a seafood restaurant. I am 100% sure about this

    That is correct. It was a Rusty Pelican.

    The El Palenque used to be a Grandy's and later a Miami Subs. The Taco Cabana used to be a Dos Pesos.

    I moved out this way in 1989, so I don't know about anything earlier than that. But the first time I saw this shopping center, I thought it looked just like North Oaks, although it was no longer a mall by that time.

  12. Weingarten Realty was famous or is it infamous for their stretching of terms based on the current marketplace. I can remember in the 1970s and into the 1980s that they had several "shopping centers" that they built that had airconditioned hallways that they referred to as "malls".

    Another was Beltway Center at Ranchester/Bellaire Blvd. The center was originally anchored by Sage Drug (division of big box discounter Sage Department Stores) and Lewis & Coker. Again it was nothing more than an air conditioned hallway, but was referred to as a "mall". Beltway center has certainly changed from what it was in the early 1970's to today.

    I don't live far from this one (used to go to the Panchos that used to be there) and grew up to one nearly identical to this at Little York and I-45. Different stores, but pretty much the same layout - an anchor on one end and an airconditioned, glass-enclosed hallway leading to the rest of the stores.

    The "mall" at Little York at I-45 originally was anchored by Grants, a department store in the vein of Woolco. When that folded, it became the Big Texan Bowling Lanes. I believe now that space is a Food Town grocery store. Next to the Grants was a drug store (I don't think it originally was Walgreens as Walgreens didn't come to Houston until around 1975).

  13. What a bad decision by the Chronicle. I guess we're stuck with indices and microfilm <_<

    Actually, in defense of the Chronicle, they do a bang up job with their archives. They are one of the few Texas papers whose archives A) go back more than five years and B) are free to use. Almost every other Texas newspaper I go to that has archives only go back to maybe 2004 and for those few that do go back further, you have to pay for the article.

    Don't complain. It could be far worse.

  14. Found my notes on the origins of Greenspoint Mall.

    The mall opened on Thursday, August 5, 1976, although the Foley's actually opened a few days earlier. Here is the original lineup of stores for the mall's opening:

    Alberto's Clocks

    Albert's Hosiery

    American Uniform

    Artland

    B. Dalton Bookseller

    Baker's Shoes

    Baldwin-Lively Pianos

    Baskin Robbins Ice Cream

    Battlesteins

    Betty's Maternity

    Casual Corner

    Centre Court Restaurant

    Chandler's Shoes

    Chess King

    City Appliance Center

    Clover Patch

    Corrigan's Jewelers

    County Seat

    Creperie

    Disc Records

    E/J's Model Shop

    El Chico Mexican Restaurant

    Ellison's

    Famous Ramos

    Fashion Conspiracy

    Florsheim Shoes

    Foley's (still open, though now branded as Macy's)

    Fortune Cookie

    Foxmoor

    Funway Freeway Arcade

    The Gap

    General Nutrition (still open)

    Gilbert Ortega's Indian Arts

    The Go-Round

    Gordon's Jewelers (still open)

    Greenspoint 5 General Cinema

    Greenspoint Pet Center

    Hamburger Hamlet

    Hanover Shoes

    Haus Edelweis

    Hickory Farms

    Houston Trunk Factory

    Isabell Gerhart

    J. Harris

    J. Riggins

    Jean Nicole

    Jeans West

    Jerry Thompson's Restaurant and Saloon

    Joan Bari

    Jovee Betram Bath and Boudoir

    Kid's Kasuals

    Kinderphoto

    Kinney Shoes

    The Limited

    Leopold, Price & Rolle

    Levitt's Jewelers

    Margo's La Mode

    Merle Norman

    Miss Bojangles

    The Monocle

    Morrow's Nuts

    Mr. Calculator

    Naturalizer Shoes

    The Oak Tree

    Organ Exchange

    Oshman's

    Palais Royal (still open)

    Picadilly Cafeteria

    Pickwick Music

    Pipe Pub

    Pizzeria

    Playhouse Toys

    Polar Bar

    Radio Shack (still open)

    Ramos Pretzel Shoppe

    Regal Touch

    Rodney's

    Roots Natural Footwear

    Sears (still open)

    Sherry's Hallmark Shop

    The Shoe Gallery

    Showcase

    Silvermans

    Size 5-7-9 (still open)

    So-Fro Fabrics

    Sounds & Imports

    Southern Fabrics

    Steve's Sandwich Shop

    Stuart's

    Susie's Casuals

    Sweeny's Jewelers

    Taco Spot

    Texas State Optical

    Thom McAn

    Tiffany's Bakery

    Transcontinental Travel

    U-Frame-It

    Ventura's Formal Wear

    Village Casuals

    Waldenbooks

    Western Junction

    Wicks 'N' Sticks

    The Wild Pair

    World Bazaar

    Worths

    Zales Jewelers

    Here are the first movies shown at the premiere of the Greenspoint 5 General Cinema

    Blazing Saddles

    Bugs Bunny Superstar

    Lifeguard

    One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest

    Ode to Billy Joe

    JC Penny was added in 1977.

    Montgomery Ward was added in 1978.

    Joske's was added in 1980.

    I do not know when Lord & Taylor opened, although Mervyn's took it over in 1988.

  15. Wow - thanks Firebird! Lots of interesting northside info!

    Here's some more info I've dug up.

    Pre-Aldine ISD schools (prior to 1935)

    Primary Schools (Grades 1-7)

    Aldine (1910) (Replaced by Marrs in 1932 and destroyed in 1948)

    Brubaker (between 1910 and 1920)

    Higgs

    Westfield

    Secondary Schools (Grades 8-9)

    Hartwell

    Aldine ISD schools (after 1935)

    Elementary Schools

    Marrs (not to be confused with Marrs High. Today it's the Lane Center) (1932)

    Kathryn Smith (now an HISD school)

    Colonial Hills (1967)

    Junior Highs

    Aldine (1956)

    Ninth Grade Schools

    Two opened in 1999 and two in 2000. Don't know yet which ones go with each year.

    High Schools

    Marrs (aka Aldine) (1936)

    Carver (1942)

    Carver (current campus) (1954)

    Aldine (current campus) (1956)

    MacArthur (1965)

    Eisenhower (1972)

    Nimitz (1978)

    Marrs High was expanded in 1939 and 1953. The school opened in September 1936 with J.E. Borden as principal.

    Aldine High was expanded in 1959, 1971 (approx), and 1992 (approx).

    AISD total enrollment

    1939 - 1,100

    1945 - 3,000

    1952 - 5,000

    1959 - 8,600

    1965 - 15,000

    1975 - 33,000

    1985 - 36,000

    1991 - 41,000

    2005 - 56,000

    In 1977, the district was 72% white, 15% black and 13% Hispanic. 25 years later, in 2002, the district was 56% Hispanic, 33% black and 8% white.

  16. I grew up in the Aldine area in the Northline Terrace subdivision near Gulf Bank Rd and Sweetwater. I attended Inez Carroll elementary on Raymac Street as well as Aldine High School. Inez Carroll at one time was known as one of the best elementary schools in Texas. I just discovered last week that the old Inez Carroll building was torn down. It appears to have happened about 4 years a go now. It's pretty sad that everything I remember about that school is gone.

    It got me wondering when the different schools were built and what additions have been added to the schools over the years.

    Inez Carroll Elementary opened in 1953 to service the growing area just north of Halls Bayou. The school was named for an early educator in the Aldine district. She died around 1948. I accidentally came across her obituary in t he Houston Chronicle one day, but didn't bother to print it, so I can't give you any details about her. The school was very near the site of the Brubaker School, at Blue Bell and Airline, which was one of the first area schools (predating the creation of Aldine ISD in 1935). Inez Carroll Elementary was destroyed by Tropical Storm Allison in 2001.

    Here are the opening dates of the Aldine ISD schools within today's Aldine High School attendance zone. There are other schools assigned to the zone, but I only researched the opening dates of the campuses physically located inside Aldine High's zone:

    Early Childhood/Pre-K

    Jerry Keeble - 1999

    Academies

    Carroll Academy for International Studies - 1998

    Elementary Schools

    Inez Carroll - 1953

    Ralph Goodman (nee Hidden Valley) - 1964

    Evelyn Thompson - 1971

    Kenneth Black - 1989

    Thomas Gray - 1989

    Doug Bussey - 2003

    Intermediates

    Stelhik - 1994

    Junior Highs

    Thomas Stovall - 1964

    Ninth grade schools

    Aldine - 1999

    High schools

    Aldine - 1956

    Aldine ISD's website, and those of their schools, are just horrible. Not just in terms of current information about the schools, but about the histories too. You can call the main office and the public affairs officer will tell you whatever you want to know, but why they don't put anything about their history on their websites is beyond me. Houston ISD does this for all their schools. If HISD can do it, why not AISD?

    Aldine ISD's 75th anniversary is coming up in 2010. I wonder if they have anything planned? They had a big to-do back in 1985 on the 50th anniversary.

    I went to Hidden Valley Elementary and Aldine High (went to a private school for junior high). I also grew up in Northline Terrace. I was supposed to go to Inez Carroll for kindergarten, but Carroll's program was full, so they sent me to Hidden Valley instead. I never switched to Carroll, going to Hidden Valley all the way to 5th grade. No one ever asked why I was going to the wrong school.

    As I went to a private junior high, I actually never went to school with any of the kids from Northline Terrace until I went to Aldine High.

    I've written a history of the area and of Aldine's football team. The area history includes dates of when most of the area's major businesses started, when neighborhoods and apartment complexes opened, and when all the big roads came into being. Looks like someone used at least part of it to update Aldine ISD's wikipedia page. Not that I mind. The football part has every Mustang game score and highlights, going back to the very first game against La Porte in 1936.

    If you want a copy of the 2007 version (I'm not finished with 2008, not that it was a memorable season anyway), e-mail me at aldinefootball@sbcglobal.net.

  17. There was Casual Corner by Sears that had brick walls on the outside wood trim. You may be thinking of Jeans West or County Seat. They were further down the corridor towards The Patio.

    Remember W. Bell over by Target? There were a catalog place like Best Products.

    We loved going to Dalts after the football games. They had the best malts and homemade chips. They were at the mall entrance by Joske's with Houlihans right across from them.

    TGI Fridays was just bulldozed recently. I have not been to the mall in years either.

    I had a list of all the original stores at Greenspoint that were there the day it opened in August 1976. I have to dig around my storage shed to see if I still have it. I also had a list of the first movies to be shown at the theatre when it opened. Hopefully I didn't throw it away, although I know that if I did I can get it again next time I go to the downtown library.

    The original game arcade was called Funway Freeway.

    Someone was mentioning Mr. Dunderbach's. Man, I loved that place. Seems like I remember a restaurant in the center court of the mall that was situated above a fountain.

    I was in the mall on Friday, and while it appears about half of it was vacant, the rest was very well maintained, bright and open. Seemed like it's still a nice place. Although I no longer live in the area, I sure get tired of people running the place down based on a few sensational news stories. I worked in that mall for three years (most of the time at night and during the Gunspoint incident period of time) and I never experieced a problem.

  18. I remember a couple of homes there that actually looked like barns.

    Yeah, there are a few of those. And there are also several of those in Willow Run and Sections 4&5 of Northline Terrace. However, those neighborhoods were developed by different home builders. Maybe it was a short lived trend, just like every builder in that era also offered a Spanish-style home, too.

  19. Does anyone know if the subdivision "Imperial Valley" is still named that? I remember the water tower around I-45 and Greenspoint back in the '70's but believe it's gone now

    Water tower's long gone, but Imperial Valley is still there and still called that.

    Neighborhood was started in 1965 by PaceSetter Homes and houses ranged from $15,000 to $22,000. "Country Living Close to the City" their ad from 1966 states.

  20. I would like to add that violence was a major factor for closings. (Especially in Houston) I recall the 6 screen Drive-In theater in Greenspoint shut down after a mere, what was it 3-4 years? By early 80's it was the hot spot for serious gang wars. Oy vey!

    Not sure where you got your facts, but the I-45 Drive-In lasted for 10 years (1982-92) and closed because the area was being built up and the owner wanted to put a shopping center there. With a Wal-Mart being built next door in 1989 and the North Freeway being expanded in 1990, that was no longer a viable site for a drive-in, either from a viewing or economic perspective.

    Here's two stories about the theatre's demise from the Chronicle, neither of which mention violence as the reason for closing:

    http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive....id=1992_1035533

    http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive....id=1992_1039552

  21. I thought I saw somewhere that someone in Houston built a house made of beer cans. Was that you?

    It's been many years since I've seen Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer. I thought that it had bit the dust. And I was surprised that Schlitz was relegated to "generic" status years ago. I thought that 30-40 years ago Budweiser was #1 and Schlitz was #2.

    No, that wasn't me. But I wonder if he'll want my collection next time he does some renovations? They're for sale if anyone wants 'em.

    Pabst hasn't been sold in Houston for quite awhile. If you look hard you can occasionally find it in a store or two, but to my knowledge it's never been a big seller around here. If memory serves (and it's been some time since I researched this) I do believe Pabst was trying to market Blue Ribbon pretty much exclusively to blacks, but I stand to be corrected.

    When I first started collecting in 1977, Bud and Schlitz were the tops. In fact, most cans along the road were Schlitz (as if roadside litter is a sales barometer. LOL!) At least in the places I looked for cans, I gauged them to be in this rough order:

    Schlitz

    Budweiser

    Coors

    Schlitz Malt Liquor

    Lone Star

    Lite

    Pearl

    Miller

    Pabst

    Falstaff

  22. You answered my question very well. It sounds like today's common business practice of merging/outsourcing/sub-contracting, etc.

    Thanks for the compliment, but I do admit I did look at least part of that up. I knew pretty much all about Lone Star, but I was surprised to learn about Pearl. I had thought Pabst bought out Pearl. No, it was the other way around. Pearl bought out Pabst and Pearl took the Pabst name (I guess because its the more recognizable).

    I was in San Antonio when the Pearl Brewery closed. It was a big deal.

    It just seems odd to farm out brewing an entire brand of beer (or actually several). I can see if they did it for a particular region - that's fairly common. Cheaper to do that than build a new brewery if the local guy has some extra capacity. Remember that gawdawful Billy Beer? It was made that way. Falls City made it in Kentucky and farmed it out to Pearl for the Texas market. But to farm out the whole brand is kinda weird.

    Can you tell I used to collect beer cans as a kid? LOL!

  23. I remember when Pearl and Lone Star were exclusively Texan. I don't hear or see much about either one anymore. Have they bit the dust?

    Yes, both are still made, however, not in San Antonio and not by the original brewers. Both Lone Star and Pearl were sold to national brewers years ago and have changed hands multiple times since then. Both San Antonio breweries have been closed, the Pearl one just a few years ago.

    Both brands are now owned by Pabst. However, Pabst doesn't brew Lone Star, they apparently farm it out to Miller, who brews it in Fort Worth under the name of Lone Star Brewing Company. But it's not a real company in the way it once was.

    Lone Star hasn't been an independent brewery or brand since the mid 1970s, when Olympia bought them out. It was then sold to G. Heileman, a big Midwestern brewer. Then it was sold to Strohs (the former Schlitz) and the San Antonio brewery was closed and production moved to Stroh's plant in Longview. Then Pabst, (formerly Pearl. Pearl bought Pabst), purchased the brand and brought it back to San Antonio and started brewing it at the Pearl brewery. But now that the Pearl plant is closed, it's made in Fort Worth, as is Pearl.

    I'm not sure why Pabst farms out its brewing. Talk about outsourcing!

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